The Hussein execution is so on schedule ***UPdated He's dead***

compuwiz1

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I was never a big proponent of the death penalty, but finally, I understand why. People on death rowe hang out for 4, 6, 20 years, all the while, tax payers keep footing the bill for their substinance. A quick, final, graceful execution, is a refreshing approach. Next.
Any final thoughts?

Updated :
Confirmed he died with fear on his face

He's gonna find out, there are no 72 virgins, where he's going. :shocked:
 

Aimster

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Saddam is going to get beat up before his execution too. Probably tortured.
I highly doubt he'll even get a last meal.

He is a hated man by the people he is about to be turned over to
 

compuwiz1

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Saddam is going to get beat up before his execution too. Probably tortured.
I highly doubt he'll even get a last meal.

He is a hated man by the people he is about to be turned over to

While he may be hated, there is no more pain that can be inflicted on that man, not by man, at least. His biggest toment will be what runs around in his own soul, and head, in his final days....until that moment.

 

compuwiz1

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Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
You must be a "Christian"....

Who, me or Aimster?
:music: Walking in Memphis :wine:

 

BrownTown

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Personally I don't think leaders of countries should be executed for "crimes" commited in war. As we all know the US doesn't follow any of the "international laws" any more than Saddam did, so its pretty bogus to try him for murdering people during Iraq's various wars when the same argument could just as easily be justified to have the leaders of the US executed. This is jsut another case of the winners writting the history books. Obviously this is the way war has always worked, but it doesn't make it any more correct that the moral superiority comes from the better military and not the better people.
 

Aimster

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I believe some of Saddam's actions were justified in keeping a stable Iraq. It stopped a civil war.

However,

He bombed entire villages that were Shia simply because someone there tried to assasinate him. That is unjustified.
That did not stop a civil war. All that did was kill innocent people for no reason because of two people.

He ordered the execution of people who were against him. These people were politicians. He told them to go outside and die and they were forced outside and shot.

I hope he is scared. Let the old man die.

Plus he started two wars.
He invaded Iran
He invaded Kuwait
 

techs

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Hmmm. Interesting that he is still in U.S. custody and not Iraq custody.
And he will apparently only be handed over to the Iraqis on the day of his execution.
 

kedlav

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Two year sham trials and a short as h3ll appeals process to convict someone obviously guilty... Yea, let's do that here!

That being said, they at least got a conviction for someone that's guilty, unlike OJ, Michael Jackson, Reagan, etc.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Aimster
maybe he has secrets that the U.S doesnt want the Iraqis to find out?
Geez, you mean like all the help the U.S. gave him that allowed him to kill and torture his own people?
Wish I thought of that.

 

IronWing

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deliciously?

OP, you might want to take a peek in the mirror and see if you like it.
 

jackschmittusa

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The death penalty is nothing but revenge. It has never had any demonsterable use as a deterrant.

Your topic summary asking why it can't be so fast in the U.S. is easily answered. We convict a lot of innocent people here. The appeals process just gives them the chance to stay alive for a good while trying to prove it.
 

blackllotus

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
People on death rowe hang out for 4, 6, 20 years, all the while, tax payers keep footing the bill for their substinance. A quick, final, graceful execution, is a refreshing approach. Next.
Any final thoughts?

One innocent death to the death penalty makes the whole process immoral. We have taken innocent people off of death row who would have otherwise been put to death if we took Iraq's "refreshing approach".
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: Aimster
I hope he is scared. Let the old man die.
:thumbsup:

Closure for the families of his victims. Closure for the nation. Justice rendered by the new court system. He knows he deserves this fate, if not worse.
 

Orignal Earl

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Friday, December 29, 2006

End of Another Year...
You know your country is in trouble when:

1.
The UN has to open a special branch just to keep track of the chaos and bloodshed, UNAMI.
2.
Abovementioned branch cannot be run from your country.
3.
The politicians who worked to put your country in this sorry state can no longer be found inside of, or anywhere near, its borders.
4.
The only thing the US and Iran can agree about is the deteriorating state of your nation.
5.
An 8-year war and 13-year blockade are looking like the country's 'Golden Years'.
6.
Your country is purportedly 'selling' 2 million barrels of oil a day, but you are standing in line for 4 hours for black market gasoline for the generator.
7.
For every 5 hours of no electricity, you get one hour of public electricity and then the government announces it's going to cut back on providing that hour.
8.
Politicians who supported the war spend tv time debating whether it is 'sectarian bloodshed' or 'civil war'.
9.
People consider themselves lucky if they can actually identify the corpse of the relative that's been missing for two weeks.

Riverbend had an interesting post today with some thoughts about Saddam

What has me most puzzled right now is: why add fuel to the fire? Sunnis and moderate Shia are being chased out of the larger cities in the south and the capital. Baghdad is being torn apart with Shia leaving Sunni areas and Sunnis leaving Shia areas- some under threat and some in fear of attacks. People are being openly shot at check points or in drive by killings? Many colleges have stopped classes. Thousands of Iraqis no longer send their children to school- it's just not safe.

Why make things worse by insisting on Saddam's execution now? Who gains if they hang Saddam? Iran, naturally, but who else? There is a real fear that this execution will be the final blow that will shatter Iraq. Some Sunni and Shia tribes have threatened to arm their members against the Americans if Saddam is executed. Iraqis in general are watching closely to see what happens next, and quietly preparing for the worst.

This is because now, Saddam no longer represents himself or his regime. Through the constant insistence of American war propaganda, Saddam is now representative of all Sunni Arabs (never mind most of his government were Shia). The Americans, through their speeches and news articles and Iraqi Puppets, have made it very clear that they consider him to personify Sunni Arab resistance to the occupation. Basically, with this execution, what the Americans are saying is "Look- Sunni Arabs- this is your man, we all know this. We're hanging him- he symbolizes you." And make no mistake about it, this trial and verdict and execution are 100% American. Some of the actors were Iraqi enough, but the production, direction and montage was pure Hollywood (though low-budget, if you ask me).

That is, of course, why Talbani doesn't want to sign his death penalty- not because the mob man suddenly grew a conscience, but because he doesn't want to be the one who does the hanging- he won't be able to travel far away enough if he does that.

Maliki's government couldn't contain their glee. They announced the ratification of the execution order before the actual court did. A few nights ago, some American news program interviewed Maliki's bureau chief, Basim Al-Hassani who was speaking in accented American English about the upcoming execution like it was a carnival he'd be attending. He sat, looking sleazy and not a little bit ridiculous, his dialogue interspersed with 'gonna', 'gotta' and 'wanna'... Which happens, I suppose, when the only people you mix with are American soldiers.

Baghdad Burning
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
The Hussein trial was a mock trial.. that is why the execution is so fast.
The trial and justice is not based on Western values/ideals.

 

DealMonkey

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Who gets the rights to the snuff-film? My money's on Fox News Channel, given how they are the "chosen ones" in the minds of the Bush Administration.
 

Lemon law

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Saddam is no longer relevant---he was deposed almost four years ago---but the big loser will be us the people---who will now never learn the depth of US complicity when Saddam was our man in the Mid-east.

Dead men tell no tales---no wonder the hurry---but in the eyes of the world--its a kanaroo court. Only
the Hague has such juristiction. But the sham show must go on---I am waiting for the coming attraction----the execution of GWB as an international war criminal.---who in sheer number of Iraqi's killed makes Saddam look angelic in comparison.

And as DealMonkey points out--who gets the television rights----and can we watch it on pay for view?
Or maybe record it on our VCR---so we can watch it over and over again---while it only makes things
worse in Iraq.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Saddam is no longer relevant---he was deposed almost four years ago---but the big loser will be us the people---who will now never learn the depth of US complicity when Saddam was our man in the Mid-east.

Dead men tell no tales---no wonder the hurry---but in the eyes of the world--its a kanaroo court. Only
the Hague has such juristiction. But the sham show must go on---I am waiting for the coming attraction----the execution of GWB as an international war criminal.---who in sheer number of Iraqi's killed makes Saddam look angelic in comparison.

And as DealMonkey points out--who gets the television rights----and can we watch it on pay for view?
Or maybe record it on our VCR---so we can watch it over and over again---while it only makes things
worse in Iraq.
Do you feel the same way about Osama? After all he has not been seen or heard from in 2 years. Is he irrelevent now?
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Personally I don't think leaders of countries should be executed for "crimes" commited in war. As we all know the US doesn't follow any of the "international laws" any more than Saddam did, so its pretty bogus to try him for murdering people during Iraq's various wars when the same argument could just as easily be justified to have the leaders of the US executed. This is jsut another case of the winners writting the history books. Obviously this is the way war has always worked, but it doesn't make it any more correct that the moral superiority comes from the better military and not the better people.


"Personally I don't think leaders of countries should be executed for "crimes" commited in war."

I think the fundamental problem with your argument is that Saddam is being executed by his OWN people, not by the US. We do not have the right to execute him, but if his countrymen want to, and it is legal in their country, they are exercising their right.

If we had a politician who killed hundreds or Americans in the way Saddam did with his own people, there would be no doubt that the American people would ask for the death penalty.
 

Uhtrinity

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Saddam is no longer relevant---he was deposed almost four years ago---but the big loser will be us the people---who will now never learn the depth of US complicity when Saddam was our man in the Mid-east.

Dead men tell no tales---no wonder the hurry---but in the eyes of the world--its a kanaroo court. Only
the Hague has such juristiction. But the sham show must go on---I am waiting for the coming attraction----the execution of GWB as an international war criminal.---who in sheer number of Iraqi's killed makes Saddam look angelic in comparison.

And as DealMonkey points out--who gets the television rights----and can we watch it on pay for view?
Or maybe record it on our VCR---so we can watch it over and over again---while it only makes things
worse in Iraq.
Do you feel the same way about Osama? After all he has not been seen or heard from in 2 years. Is he irrelevent now?

Bit of a difference, Saddam has been out of power 4years, and in custody at least 2, and he did not attack the US

However Osama is responsible for attacking the US and is still free.
 

senseamp

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Saddam got the job done, which is more than can be said for what we have accomplished there. If he wasn't there, and Iraq was fighting civil war after civil war for the last 25 years, how many more people would have died? I guess we'll find out in the next 20 years. Sometimes the cure isn't pretty, but you need to keep in mind that the disease is even worse.
 
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