The Hussein execution is so on schedule ***UPdated He's dead***

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Gamingphreek

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During the whole illegal occupation of Iraq

Last I checked Iraq was not sovereign or peaceful. Not only that the dictator there was responsible for the deaths of millions of people. Though many say we had an alternate motive of oil, the remains to be seen, however we most certainly were justified in occupying the country. I don't ever recall the UN or anyone OUTSIDE of Saddam claiming it was illegal.

Both men are guilty of war crimes, both men are responsible for the deaths of thousands

Ok what War Crimes has Bush committed?? Last I checked he didn't commit genocide, he didn't kill millions of innocents, he didn't rule without being elected; if only there was someone who did.... OH WAIT; there was!! Saddam has done all of these things.

As for the deaths of thousands, well by your definition that would mean FDR and Lincoln should have been tried as well. I mean, we sent troops over there to fight for freedom and they died. That would mean he is "technically" responsible for their deaths. Don't even start spilling out about civilian casualties, because last I checked there was never an order by any allied commander to go outside and mow down civilians. Any that were killed were because:
A. An insurgent attack
B. They were not innocent and attempted to kill a US soldier
C. They were simply at the wrong place at the wrong time (It happens when Terrorist cells and a World Power Clash in a small area. Sad yes, but you cannot blame Bush for the civilian casualties unless he explicitly ordered the soldiers to fire upon civilians)

You know as well as I do that Saddam was not a good person and had to be removed from office. You agree that some action had to be taken. Just because you disagree with the means that it was done does not mean that Bush was evil.

As was said earlier, there is a difference between justified death and death without justification. With Saddam none of those deaths were justified or were working towards peace.

-Kevin
 

envy me

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Last I checked Iraq was not sovereign or peaceful

It was not peaceful but it was sovereign.

I don't ever recall the UN or anyone OUTSIDE of Saddam claiming it was illegal.

Seriously... have you been living under a rock or something. The UN specifically refused to recognize and approve the invasion of Iraq. The fact is, the war in the middle east WAS-and-IS illegal -- not by Saddam, but by the UN.


Both men are guilty of war crimes, both men are responsible for the deaths of thousands

Ok what War Crimes has Bush committed?? Last I checked he didn't commit genocide, he didn't kill millions of innocents, he didn't rule without being elected;

Innocents have been killed as a result of both of these men's actions.

And Bush wasn't elected his first term, he was appointed.

last I checked there was never an order by any allied commander to go outside and mow down civilians. Any that were killed were because:
A. An insurgent attack
B. They were not innocent and attempted to kill a US soldier
C. They were simply at the wrong place at the wrong time (It happens when Terrorist cells and a World Power Clash in a small area. Sad yes, but you cannot blame Bush for the civilian casualties unless he explicitly ordered the soldiers to fire upon civilians)

Where may I ask did you last check this information?

How exactly can you backup these 3 points? How can you say all American killings in Iraq were justified? Have you been over there? Maybe the whole Abu Ghraib torture scandal was a conspiracy theory too right?


You know as well as I do that Saddam was not a good person and had to be removed from office. You agree that some action had to be taken.

He was removed from office days into the war. And was captured. By killing him what did we prove?

As was said earlier, there is a difference between justified death and death without justification. With Saddam none of those deaths were justified or were working towards peace.

-Kevin

Who decides whether deaths are justified? What you are basically saying is that, going over to Iraq and killing civilians (whether intentional or due to collateral damage) is justified?

History is usually written by the victors of war, and the losers are ALWAYS the bad guys. Saddam was assasinated to justify the illegal occupation, so people can say at least one good thing came from this war. He was a scapegoat.

Most of the weapons Saddam used during his campaign against Iran were provided by America. By your logic, America must have somehow been justified for providing weapons to kill those nasty Iranians right?
 

LunarRay

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The only part of the video I still can't cope with is the Galspie indication... I accept it happened but I can't see why she gave that 'no opinion' part.. Why would we want Iraq to invade Kuwait and then go to war with them over it and not topple Saddam then... It just don't add up ... totally..
Iraqi motives are plain enough... they were rather bankrupt... and with the lowered oil prices.. suffering a bit more than otherwise..
I think there is a deeper Agenda involved... just can't put my finger on it..

We did have Saddam for forty years... or more... hehehehheheheheheheh The Truth of what the US will do to further its greater agenda forces reality down the throat of anyone who can see... or rather, who will see..

 

IronWing

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We had a whole mountain of Cold War gear to use up before the contractors were going to be able to make any money making more. The Gulf War served Bush's buddies in the weapons industry very well.
 

amunimanghi

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sick to my stomach - I swear we are trying our very best to fracture Iraq...any idiot can clearly see what this administration is up to. 20 years when we look back and think "What went wrong" we will all act like it wasn't obvious...when it was incredibly obvious!

Saddam will eventually be judged by God for his actions...but I don't put a pass beyond Dubya, al Malaki, Al Jaffari and every one of those bastards. The winners are politicians, other people and organizations looking for power, and death; the loser? The Iraqi people. But as Riverbend put it: "So what, they are just Arabs" (even if you have been reading her posts, its clear that while she doesn't directly state it, its always implied that this lackluster administration is forcefully trying to BREAK the country apart...and she is righit)

I have no love for Saddam, but I am not full of revenge in my heart....because Saddam's death will lead to more war and more killing - any IDIOT can see this
 

tomywishbone

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The executioners were scared to death of Saddam, right up to the very end. They wore multiply layers of clothing and black mask in order to not be identified. Something tells me it won't work. Every single person in that video will soon join Saddam.

And the madness contines...
 

UberNeuman

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Freshgeardude

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wtf r u talking about aidanjm Saddam Hussein ordered many mass killings of innocent ppl. he is believed to have ordered killings that ended up being around 2 million people. only 400,000 have been I.D.ed so tell what r u smoking when u mean that there is no justice
 

fallenangel99

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Originally posted by: freshgeardude
wtf r u talking about aidanjm Saddam Hussein ordered many mass killings of innocent ppl. he is believed to have ordered killings that ended up being around 2 million people. only 400,000 have been I.D.ed so tell what r u smoking when u mean that there is no justice

Lol, since the U.S. invasion, 600,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS have died, couple more years and more Iraqis will be dying due to the Invasion than Saddam's 30 year rule.

Oh well, let's see if things calm down over there since majority of Iraqis wanted him dead.
 
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