Originally posted by: Colt45
if you want 50 MPG buy a small diesel.
FTW
Smaller engines help too (e.g. Get a 4-cyl rather than the V8 you don't need)
Originally posted by: Colt45
if you want 50 MPG buy a small diesel.
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Colt45
if you want 50 MPG buy a small diesel.
FTW
Smaller engines help too (e.g. Get a 4-cyl rather than the V8 you don't need)
Originally posted by: forrestroche
False. Economy standards have been weakened through the shielding of many more vehicles under the truck exemption. When seen as a whole, the U.S. car and truck fleet of today is less efficient than it was in the 90's.Cars of today put out nearly zip compared to even the cars of the 90's..
You have not contradicted me.Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: forrestroche
False. Economy standards have been weakened through the shielding of many more vehicles under the truck exemption. When seen as a whole, the U.S. car and truck fleet of today is less efficient than it was in the 90's.
Bah, MPG to weight has improved dramatically. It's just that weight has increased with the popularity of SUVs.
Still, size for size, MPG is way up.
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Colt45
if you want 50 MPG buy a small diesel.
FTW
Smaller engines help too (e.g. Get a 4-cyl rather than the V8 you don't need)
But don't you know that (according to these forums) HP and 0-60 times are EVERYTHING???
Originally posted by: forrestroche
You have not contradicted me.Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: forrestroche
False. Economy standards have been weakened through the shielding of many more vehicles under the truck exemption. When seen as a whole, the U.S. car and truck fleet of today is less efficient than it was in the 90's.
Bah, MPG to weight has improved dramatically. It's just that weight has increased with the popularity of SUVs.
Still, size for size, MPG is way up.
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
meh, people sh(t on hybrids to justify their suv/truck purchases. not because they bought some super diesel or whatever.
Whatever.Originally posted by: Amused
Just your negative spin. Efficiency is up. That's a fact.
Originally posted by: forrestroche
Whatever.Originally posted by: Amused
Just your negative spin. Efficiency is up. That's a fact.
Truck efficiency is up.
Car efficiency is up.
Average total fleet efficiency is not up.
That's not spin, THAT's the fact. There has been a slow but steady slide of vehicles into the light truck category. The DOT has lowered several times both economy standards (later revised up again), and weight limits for light truck classification (not revised up again).
If you want to hear it from the horse's mouth, then read the DOT report on light truck standards for 2008-2011. Included is considerable historical data including the fact that on three ocassions since 1979 the weight restrictions on light truck classification has been lowered, for a total of over 2000 lbs.
More and more vehicles have been sucked into a category that has considerably lower standards. Why? The report explains that standards were lowered when "actions available to manufacturers to improve their fuel economy levels... would have involved product restrictions likely resulting in signifigant adverse economic impacts." Where did the evidence for these "adverse economic impacts" come from? According to the DOT they relied on information provided by Chrysler for many of these changes.
But yeah, that's just spin.
Originally posted by: Colt45
if you want 50 MPG buy a small diesel.
Originally posted by: forrestroche
False. Economy standards have been weakened through the shielding of many more vehicles under the truck exemption. When seen as a whole, the U.S. car and truck fleet of today is less efficient than it was in the 90's.Cars of today put out nearly zip compared to even the cars of the 90's..
Originally posted by: rivan
I'm 6'5" and about 280 lbs. I drive a V8 SUV. Why? Because it's the only size class that I can sit in, with good posture, and not rub my head on the roof and/or crane my neck to see stoplights. I also need to get a 2-year old and (soon) an infant into and out of the back seats. I tried it with a Taurus (wife's old company car) - horrid experience that was. Her new minivan is much better for the kid, but still terrible for me and my posture.
I'll be quite happy to look at hybrids when one's built for someone my size - something I don't expect for some years to come. Currently the Highlander is the only vehicle that comes close. I'd switch right now if there was a hybrid version of my Sequoia.
Originally posted by: forrestroche
Whatever.Originally posted by: Amused
Just your negative spin. Efficiency is up. That's a fact.
Truck efficiency is up.
Car efficiency is up.
Average total fleet efficiency is not up.
Originally posted by: rivan
I'm 6'5" and about 280 lbs.
Originally posted by: SearchMaster
My brother-in-law has a Prius and almost always gets 55+ MPG. We got ~50 MPG at a constant 85MPH+ road trip recently. I am NOT a big believer in hybrids but I can't argue with his results. As always, YMMV .
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Colt45
if you want 50 MPG buy a small diesel.
FTW
Smaller engines help too (e.g. Get a 4-cyl rather than the V8 you don't need)
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: forrestroche
False. Economy standards have been weakened through the shielding of many more vehicles under the truck exemption. When seen as a whole, the U.S. car and truck fleet of today is less efficient than it was in the 90's.Cars of today put out nearly zip compared to even the cars of the 90's..
no, the non-carbon emissions, which is what he must be referring to when he says 'put out nearly zip,' are way down on cars over the past couple of decades.
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: forrestroche
Whatever.Originally posted by: Amused
Just your negative spin. Efficiency is up. That's a fact.
Truck efficiency is up.
Car efficiency is up.
Average total fleet efficiency is not up.
efficiency is useful work per unit of energy. and that is up. the engines are doing more work (pushing more weight), and that is why consumption is up as well.
Originally posted by: rivan
I'm 6'5" and about 280 lbs. I drive a V8 SUV. Why? Because it's the only size class that I can sit in, with good posture, and not rub my head on the roof and/or crane my neck to see stoplights. I also need to get a 2-year old and (soon) an infant into and out of the back seats. I tried it with a Taurus (wife's old company car) - horrid experience that was. Her new minivan is much better for the kid, but still terrible for me and my posture.
I'll be quite happy to look at hybrids when one's built for someone my size - something I don't expect for some years to come. Currently the Highlander is the only vehicle that comes close. I'd switch right now if there was a hybrid version of my Sequoia.