the hypocrisy of the american government

[rickn]

Bush at his warmongering again, telling other countries not to meddle in Iraq or ELSE. But, what country has already meddled in Iraq, what country is overseeing security for the elections? America. If that's not meddling I dunno what you would call it. Such hypocrisy. I bet Bush's puppet choice for President will be the first name at the top of the ballot. Meddling

Didn't Iran teach us anything? Puppet regimes installed by America FAIL. Any Iraqi goverment installed by America will FAIL

 

[Hecubus2000]

Yaaaaaawn. Everyone is an expert.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
Yaaaaaawn. Everyone is an expert.

I'm not an expert, I just know a little bit about history.

Also, why would we expect Syria, and especially Iran, whom Iraq has been hostile towards for decades, to just leave it up to the American's to settle Iraq's political future. I just love how America is all the sudden the expert on the middle east. Might I add region of the world that is steeped in tradition and culture, that has survived & prospered for thousands of years. Modern America has 300yrs under it's belt, but hey, we think we know everything. Give me a break

 

[Genx87]

Now why would we allow two terrorist supporting nations to meddle with the internal affairs of a fledgling Iraqi democracy?

Does that make any sense to you?

 

[Isaiah]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Now why would we allow two terrorist supporting nations to meddle with the internal affairs of a fledgling Iraqi democracy?

Does that make any sense to you?

No it doesn't make any sense to me. Iraq should kick out all the terrorist supporting nations before they try to have a free and fair election.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Isaiah

Originally posted by: Genx87
Now why would we allow two terrorist supporting nations to meddle with the internal affairs of a fledgling Iraqi democracy?

Does that make any sense to you?

No it doesn't make any sense to me. Iraq should kick out all the terrorist supporting nations before they try to have a free and fair election.

Yeah but if they kicked us out who would help them run their elections?

 

[shurato]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Isaiah

Originally posted by: Genx87
Now why would we allow two terrorist supporting nations to meddle with the internal affairs of a fledgling Iraqi democracy?

Does that make any sense to you?

No it doesn't make any sense to me. Iraq should kick out all the terrorist supporting nations before they try to have a free and fair election.

Yeah but if they kicked us out who would help them run their elections?

omg LOL....

 

[RobCur]

bush had no rights in meddling with other nations form of government and using terrorist threat as an excuse to do as he pleases. shoot first and ask questions later? when will it ever end?

fooling people is not hard such as "He tried to kill my dad" LMAO.
Seems like the people running this country will say anything to justify their silly acts.
Vietnam was divided, Korean was divided, America keeps splitting everyone up so they will look good and cool.

 

[blahblah99]

Originally posted by: rickn
Bush at his warmongering again, telling other countries not to meddle in Iraq or ELSE. But, what country has already meddled in Iraq, what country is overseeing security for the elections? America. If that's not meddling I dunno what you would call it. Such hypocrisy. I bet Bush's puppet choice for President will be the first name at the top of the ballot. Meddling

Didn't Iran teach us anything? Puppet regimes installed by America FAIL. Any Iraqi goverment installed by America will FAIL

That barely scratches the surface of the hypocrisy of USA.

let's see...

social security - its the biggest ponzi scam ever ran by the government. No wonder they made it illegal. They are the only one that are allowed to pull that scam.

US media and government is quick to jump on other country's voting affairs ie, Ukraine, but fail to even acknowledge the fraud that's occured this past election.

If Iraqis want democracy and freedom, then get the f*ck out of Iraq instead of occupying that country.

Plenty more to come, but those are the first things that come to mind.

 

[irwincur]

I'm not an expert, I just know a little bit about history.

Not enough.

Didn't Iran teach us anything? Puppet regimes installed by America FAIL. Any Iraqi goverment installed by America will FAIL

Japan, Germany, S. Korea, and Afghanistan are good examples of those that did not fail. And there is a common link, these are Democratic nations. Now, trying to install a new dictator in Iran was bound to fail. Installing a Democratic Republic is completely different. Give the people a stake in their leadership and you will be amazed at how quickly the hard liners dissapear.

Also, since when is a nation holding an election mean we are installing a government. We installed a temporary government to get the process rolling, and now it is time to make the next move.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: irwincur

I'm not an expert, I just know a little bit about history.

Not enough.

oh yes, so lets hear your version oh wise one.

or is that the best you can come up with?? 2 word responses?

 

[irwincur]

See above.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: rickn
Bush at his warmongering again, telling other countries not to meddle in Iraq or ELSE. But, what country has already meddled in Iraq, what country is overseeing security for the elections? America. If that's not meddling I dunno what you would call it. Such hypocrisy. I bet Bush's puppet choice for President will be the first name at the top of the ballot. Meddling

Didn't Iran teach us anything? Puppet regimes installed by America FAIL. Any Iraqi goverment installed by America will FAIL

The person most likely to win the Iraq election is supported by Iran.

So, $200 BILLION later, we will have a terrorist state that might merge countries with Iran in order to make one larger, stronger country.

Bush is a moron and this should be discussed in the media. The Daily Show will probably mention it soon ifhtey havn't already.

 

[phillyTIM]

Unless Bush has DIEBOLD in Iraq...he's mighty close to the head of that company!!!! See what happened last month in the US? The election winner probably will be who Bush wants has head of Iraq. Remember that Bush is SCUM and finds a way to get what he wants, always.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: rickn
Bush at his warmongering again, telling other countries not to meddle in Iraq or ELSE. But, what country has already meddled in Iraq, what country is overseeing security for the elections? America. If that's not meddling I dunno what you would call it. Such hypocrisy. I bet Bush's puppet choice for President will be the first name at the top of the ballot. Meddling

Didn't Iran teach us anything? Puppet regimes installed by America FAIL. Any Iraqi goverment installed by America will FAIL

I wish all of you people who are such fvcking EXPERTS on teh world's foreign policies would just get your asses over to Iraq and fix the damn problem. I'm sick of your pedantic whining!

Jason

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: rickn
Bush at his warmongering again, telling other countries not to meddle in Iraq or ELSE. But, what country has already meddled in Iraq, what country is overseeing security for the elections? America. If that's not meddling I dunno what you would call it. Such hypocrisy. I bet Bush's puppet choice for President will be the first name at the top of the ballot. Meddling

Didn't Iran teach us anything? Puppet regimes installed by America FAIL. Any Iraqi goverment installed by America will FAIL

Like the puppet regime in Germany failed? Or the puppet regime in Japan failed?

Also, do some reading about Iran and the history of Mossadegh and the Shah. You'll find the US didn't install a puppet regime, though this erroneous statement is commonly spouted by those with a left bent.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Hecubus2000
Yaaaaaawn. Everyone is an expert.

I'm not an expert, I just know a little bit about history.

Also, why would we expect Syria, and especially Iran, whom Iraq has been hostile towards for decades, to just leave it up to the American's to settle Iraq's political future. I just love how America is all the sudden the expert on the middle east. Might I add region of the world that is steeped in tradition and culture, that has survived & prospered for thousands of years. Modern America has 300yrs under it's belt, but hey, we think we know everything. Give me a break

Actually they haven't "prospered" so much as they've blown each other to smithereens for different opinions on the Invisible Man in the Sky. The only reason they have ANY wealth is because the FREE world industrialized itself and found ways to make OIL useful in enormous quantities.

Jason

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: rickn
Bush at his warmongering again, telling other countries not to meddle in Iraq or ELSE. But, what country has already meddled in Iraq, what country is overseeing security for the elections? America. If that's not meddling I dunno what you would call it. Such hypocrisy. I bet Bush's puppet choice for President will be the first name at the top of the ballot. Meddling

Didn't Iran teach us anything? Puppet regimes installed by America FAIL. Any Iraqi goverment installed by America will FAIL

The person most likely to win the Iraq election is supported by Iran.

So, $200 BILLION later, we will have a terrorist state that might merge countries with Iran in order to make one larger, stronger country.

Bush is a moron and this should be discussed in the media. The Daily Show will probably mention it soon ifhtey havn't already.

If, and that's a big IF, we succeed in establishing a stable Democracy in Iraq, what you say is probably not too far from the truth. Only time will tell.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: RobCur
bush had no rights in meddling with other nations form of government and using terrorist threat as an excuse to do as he pleases. shoot first and ask questions later? when will it ever end?

fooling people is not hard such as "He tried to kill my dad" LMAO.
Seems like the people running this country will say anything to justify their silly acts.
Vietnam was divided, Korean was divided, America keeps splitting everyone up so they will look good and cool.

So you're saying that FREE governments that are based on the idea that their power is dervied FROM the consent of the govern have no moral authority over governments where the people are considered the property of the State to do with as they please?

Jason

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: rickn
Bush at his warmongering again, telling other countries not to meddle in Iraq or ELSE. But, what country has already meddled in Iraq, what country is overseeing security for the elections? America. If that's not meddling I dunno what you would call it. Such hypocrisy. I bet Bush's puppet choice for President will be the first name at the top of the ballot. Meddling

Didn't Iran teach us anything? Puppet regimes installed by America FAIL. Any Iraqi goverment installed by America will FAIL

Like the puppet regime in Germany failed? Or the puppet regime in Japan failed?

Also, do some reading about Iran and the history of Mossadegh and the Shah. You'll find the US didn't install a puppet regime, though this erroneous statement is commonly spouted by those with a left bent.

We have no moral authority in this case. You should take your own advice and do some reading, perhaps you'll realize then how Iraq is NOT like World War II.
Or are you claiming a direct correlation between World War II and this adventure gone bad.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: irwincur
See above.

you were half right about Korea. the other half wants to send nukes our way

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: irwincur
See above.

you were half right about Korea. the other half wants to send nukes our way

Have no fear, they're more likely to send it south then all the way here. North and South hate each other with a passion just like the Civil War in America.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Now why would we allow two terrorist supporting nations to meddle with the internal affairs of a fledgling Iraqi democracy?

Does that make any sense to you?

I count 3. Syria, Iran, and the US.

 

[Genx87]

So, $200 BILLION later, we will have a terrorist state that might merge countries with Iran in order to make one larger, stronger country.

Bush is a moron and this should be discussed in the media. The Daily Show will probably mention it soon ifhtey havn't already.

A bunch of conjecture there.

We have no moral authority in this case. You should take your own advice and do some reading, perhaps you'll realize then how Iraq is NOT like World War II.
Or are you claiming a direct correlation between World War II and this adventure gone bad.

The irony in this statement is funny.

Invaded two countries - Saddam
Invaded two countries before WWII started - Hitler

Allowed and provoked 1 sect of his country to control, kill, and intimidate another sect-Saddam
Allowed and provoked 1 sect of his country to control, kill, and intimidate another sect-Hitler

Committed a genocide on peoples from his own country and neighboring countries. leaving behind mass graves, torture chambers, and concentration camps - Hitler
Commited mass killings of peoples from his own country and neighboring countries, leaving behind mass graves, torture chambers-Saddam

The only real differences from Saddam and Hitler? While Saddam idolized and wanted to be like Stalin and all his ruthlessness. Hitler wanted Stalins head on a platter due to being his ideological foe.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: irwincur

I'm not an expert, I just know a little bit about history.

Not enough.

Didn't Iran teach us anything? Puppet regimes installed by America FAIL. Any Iraqi goverment installed by America will FAIL

Japan, Germany, S. Korea, and Afghanistan are good examples of those that did not fail. And there is a common link, these are Democratic nations. Now, trying to install a new dictator in Iran was bound to fail. Installing a Democratic Republic is completely different. Give the people a stake in their leadership and you will be amazed at how quickly the hard liners dissapear.

Also, since when is a nation holding an election mean we are installing a government. We installed a temporary government to get the process rolling, and now it is time to make the next move.

hahaha what a load of BS. Afghanistan is a democracy? LOL. S. Korea has repeatly been little more that a military dictatorship. Germany was one of the most educated countries in the world, and had some expirience with deomcracy.

On the other hand, we have a long history of subverting democracies all over the world. We encouraged mussilinis takeover of italy, and after the war, rigged elections to discourage a "communist" takeover, fought massive terrorist campagns against democracies in central america, overthrew democracies in Iran, argentina, and other places, and have supported fascist dictatorships all over the world. America spreading democracy is an utter joke. All we have done is to spread misery and hardship for our own profit and gain.