The Idea of Hordes of "Never Joe" Bernie Bros Not Supported By Two Recent Polls

[Blackjack200]

Zero media attention on Joe Biden's campaign telling people to go vote and lying about the CDC.

Media Silent as Poll Workers Contract Covid-19 at Primaries That DNC, Biden Campaign Claimed Were Safe

Election Focus 2020: After the CDC on March 15 advised the public to cancel all gatherings of more than 50 people, a senior adviser to Joe Biden went on CNN and claimed the CDC had deemed in-person voting safe. And not a single major media outlet reported on it.

fair.org

 

[Blackjack200]

If it was Trump that did this, this place would be in full meltdown mode.

 

[ivwshane]

If it was Trump that did this, this place would be in full meltdown mode.

Probably because a republicans telling democrats to go and vote would be totally out of the ordinary and would be even crazier if that republican was trump.

 

[Blackjack200]

Lookin good!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1244112969027420161

 

[Fenixgoon]

Lookin good!

Enthusiasm definitely means people are more likely to vote, but it doesn't mean they WON'T vote.

I'm not enthusiastic about Biden, but I sure as hell will vote for him to get Trump out of office. I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case for the remaining 76% that weren't highly enthusiastic

 

[fskimospy]

Lookin good!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1244112969027420161

So surely with that enthusiasm gap Sanders must be doing better in head to head polls vs. Trump, right?

 

[sandorski]

He's having near daily Cognitive episodes now.

 

[fskimospy]

He's having near daily Cognitive episodes now.

We know it’s serious because you keep capitalizing it, haha.

It’s going to be a long campaign with you and blackjack desperately rooting for the loss of the candidate we both know you would prefer in a vacuum all because you can’t be adult enough to accept your favorite candidate lost.

 

[sandorski]

We know it’s serious because you keep capitalizing it, haha.

It’s going to be a long campaign with you and blackjack desperately rooting for the loss of the candidate we both know you would prefer in a vacuum all because you can’t be adult enough to accept your favorite candidate lost.

Biden won't make it, sorry. There is still time to select someone that can defeat Trump.

 

[fskimospy]

Biden won't make it, sorry. There is still time to select someone that can defeat Trump.

I sincerely hope you’ve bet heavily on this outcome then as you stand to make a lot of money.

 

[sandorski]

Enthusiasm definitely means people are more likely to vote, but it doesn't mean they WON'T vote.

I'm not enthusiastic about Biden, but I sure as hell will vote for him to get Trump out of office. I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case for the remaining 76% that weren't highly enthusiastic

The amount of Rationalizing about Biden is reaching epic proportions. He literally is the worst Candidate of the whole field of Candidates that were available. Cognitive issues, history of bizarre Lies, strange behaviour(at least) around Women/Girls, very weak record on issues such as SS, and can't enthuse the very people selecting him. The perfect storm of failure.

 

[sandorski]

I sincerely hope you’ve bet heavily on this outcome then as you stand to make a lot of money.

Do you want to defeat Trump? If you do, start taking this seriously, because you are rushing over a cliff.

 

[fskimospy]

The amount of Rationalizing about Biden is reaching epic proportions. He literally is the worst Candidate of the whole field of Candidates that were available. Cognitive issues, history of bizarre Lies, strange behaviour(at least) around Women/Girls, very weak record on issues such as SS, and can't enthuse the very people selecting him. The perfect storm of failure.

Have you considered you’re projecting just like a Trumpkin?

Your argument would be more compelling if Biden wasn’t not only the best performing candidate among Democrats but also among all voters for literally the last several years straight, haha.

In case you weren’t aware elections are popularity contests and democrats picked the most popular one.

 

[fskimospy]

Do you want to defeat Trump? If you do, start taking this seriously, because you are rushing over a cliff.

I do want to defeat Trump! Your arguments for why Biden can’t do it are bad though so there’s little reason to listen to them. It’s basically your gut, wishful thinking, and emotional rationalizations.

 

[sandorski]

Have you considered you’re projecting just like a Trumpkin?

Your argument would be more compelling if Biden wasn’t not only the best performing candidate among Democrats but also among all voters for literally the last several years straight, haha.

In case you weren’t aware elections are popularity contests and democrats picked the most popular one.

What point have I made that is incorrect? Outside of my prediction of Loss, anyway. Again, I'll reminds you that 15% of the Electorate are selecting Biden at this time. I'll also point out to you the Bernie is one of the most Popular Politicians in the US.

 

[sandorski]

I do want to defeat Trump! Your arguments for why Biden can’t do it are bad though so there’s little reason to listen to them. It’s basically your gut, wishful thinking, and emotional rationalizations.

There's nothing about Biden that reaches beyond Mediocre. His own supporters are rather, "Meh" about him. He is a weaker Candidate than Hillary was, because at least she had a strong group that Loved her.

 

[fskimospy]

What point have I made that is incorrect? Outside of my prediction of Loss, anyway. Again, I'll reminds you that 15% of the Electorate are selecting Biden at this time.

Biden performs better among the entire electorate than he does with just Democrats, if the ‘primary’ had been all voters his margin of victory would have been larger.

I'll also point out to you the Bernie is one of the most Popular Politicians in the US.

So popular that he lost soundly to Biden in the primary and consistently performs worse than Biden in head to head polls against Trump, particularly in the crucial swing states.

So in case you were looking for why your arguments are bad those are a few examples.

 

[sandorski]

Biden performs better among the entire electorate than he does with just Democrats, if the ‘primary’ had been all voters his margin of victory would have been larger.



So popular that he lost soundly to Biden in the primary and consistently performs worse than Biden in head to head polls against Trump, particularly in the crucial swing states.

So in case you were looking for why your arguments are bad those are a few examples.

When he goes Head-Head with Trump, he's going to be eviscerated.

 

[fskimospy]

When he goes Head-Head with Trump, he's going to be eviscerated.

It could be! I guess we will find out. None of that changes the fact that your arguments are bad.

People can be wrong while engaging in good thought processes and right while engaging in bad ones. In the end it is certainly possible that you will be right but since every argument you’ve offered actually indicates the opposite of what you’re claiming there’s no reason to think so.

 

[Blackjack200]

It could be! I guess we will find out. None of that changes the fact that your arguments are bad.

People can be wrong while engaging in good thought processes and right while engaging in bad ones. In the end it is certainly possible that you will be right but since every argument you’ve offered actually indicates the opposite of what you’re claiming there’s no reason to think so.

Why is there so little enthusiasm for Biden?

 

[fskimospy]

Why is there so little enthusiasm for Biden?

More extreme candidates mobilize both more enthusiasm and more opposition. In the case of Bernie the greater enthusiasm of his voters wasn’t enough to overcome the latter. That’s why he lost.

 

[Blackjack200]

More extreme candidates mobilize both more enthusiasm and more opposition. In the case of Bernie the greater enthusiasm of his voters wasn’t enough to overcome the latter. That’s why he lost.

I actually nearly agree with this, but I would modify it a bit to say that Sanders is not so much extreme, as he has a highly visible and identifiable platform. I would argue that Biden does not have this, most of his supporters couldn't even tell you what his platform is, they might know that he supports some kind of enhancement to Obamacare, they might know that he adopted some lesser form of free college, but they won't be able to articulate what exactly the platform is.

I think it's deliberately obscure, designed to be palatable to almost anyone. That obscurity will make it quite easy for him to pivot to serve his real base - moneyed special interests - if he is actually elected. That is what he's done for his entire senate career. That is what his record clearly shows (https://harpers.org/archive/2019/03/joe-biden-record/)

And that is why I oppose him. It is not because I want Trump to win, or because I'm embittered about Sanders's presumptive loss, it's because Biden's record is very bad news for this country.

 

[fskimospy]

I actually nearly agree with this, but I would modify it a bit to say that Sanders is not so much extreme, as he has a highly visible and identifiable platform. I would argue that Biden does not have this, most of his supporters couldn't even tell you what his platform is, they might know that he supports some kind of enhancement to Obamacare, they might know that he adopted some lesser form of free college, but they won't be able to articulate what exactly the platform is.

I think it's deliberately obscure, designed to be palatable to almost anyone. That obscurity will make it quite easy for him to pivot to serve his real base - moneyed special interests - if he is actually elected. That is what he's done for his entire senate career. That is what his record clearly shows (https://harpers.org/archive/2019/03/joe-biden-record/)

I agree his platform is purposefully vague, which is smart politics. Bernie doing things like saying he would eliminate private insurance were large strategic errors that potentially cost him the nomination. It’s potentially also what sunk Warren.

Voters don’t give a shit about policies, unfortunately. Biden knows this, Bernie apparently does not.

And that is why I oppose him. It is not because I want Trump to win, or because I'm embittered about Sanders's presumptive loss, it's because Biden's record is very bad news for this country.

Yeah I doubt that. When Bernie was winning you said you would support the nominee no matter who that was. That coincidentally changed when Bernie lost.

 

[pmv]

#1 Because he obviously believes he can win. Do you have any evidence that he knows he can't, or are you just being disingenuous again?
#2 Sanders supported postponing the primary until it was safe to vote again, that would have given the states enough time to develop remote voting or at least safer protocols if in-person couldn't be avoided. If Sanders had no chance to win, what's the difference if the primary is in March or June?
#3 There are down-ballot races that need to be determined. Sanders dropping out doesn't stop the primaries from occurring.

But hey, do anything to excuse Biden's terrible leadership and decision making, right? That's quite the theme these days.

The fact is, I find myself grinding my teeth occasionally at the way some centrists gleefully spit hatred at the left. It seems to me that's about self-interest. The affluent and comfortable don't want the boat to be rocked too much. And at some point, if the situation changes, I believe some of those people will openly align with the right.

But...right now, now more than ever, the enemy is Trump and what he represents. If it wasn't already apparent, the pandemic makes it quite clear he and his hard-core supporters are going to get a lot of people killed. I do not believe that Biden, for all his many weaknesses, would have behaved so destructively in the face of a crisis like this. Trump is a dangerously-flawed personality, he's potentially the hand-maiden of the grim reaper. His racism and climate-change-denialism alone are potentially disastrous.

And the primary is over. Biden won not because of a fix by the relatively small number of very affluent highly-educated liberals, but because ordinary working people who voted were not persuaded of the need for something less conservative (I was going to say 'more radical', but I don't really see Sanders as 'radical' - he would be mainstream left in many other countries, even seen as right-wing by some of the left here).

I would have preferred people to have voted otherwise, but people are what they are, and you can't "dissolve the people and elect another".

Get Biden elected and try to hold him to account and try to make him actually do the right thing. The alternative is too bleak.

 

[compcons]

It seems to me that the hope is that Biden is looking to capture the voters who didn't get out and vote during the last election. It's almost like the DNC and the Dem base saw what happened last time and are hoping to not make the same mistakes. Capture the missing votes and hope the Democrat base is smart enough to realize that not voting means 4 more years of GOP bullshit that will not just continue but will accelerate.

If you aren't voting for Biden, I hope you enjoy a more conservative Supreme Court, more lax controls on pollution, reduction in financial controls, and more money for corporations and the wealthy because that is EXACTLY what you will get. That vote is the opposite of what most Bernie supporters in fact want. Once the candidate is a lock, remember that when it's time to vote it is literally <Dem candidate x> or the aforementioned outcomes. Your choice.