The immigration mess Biden created will now be the Republican's fault?

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Pohemi

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Boo fuckin hoo. Are you new in town?

Fox says everything Trump and Bush did was awesome, MSNBC says it's terrible.

Fox said everything Obama, Biden and Clinton did was terrible, MSNBC says it was awesome.

Media has been partisan since before the founding of the country. Will be the same 100 years from now. Deal with it.
The difference between them (the difference that FDC loves to ignore while projecting) is that one side spews slanted confirmation biases, while the other is spewing straight out lies, propaganda, and rhetoric.

Neither is entirely honest, but to call them the same? That's a Greenman or Jaskalas play.

To pull an FDC however, you have to pretend it only exists on one side, and accuse the opposition of every dirty trick that your masters have used.
 

eelw

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Okay let the bitching begin and say Biden’s afternoon visit to the border was all a waste of time. And really Abbott and others wanting Biden to meet with the migrants?
 
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HomerJS

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Supertroll FDC seemed to forget Donald Trump helped created an incentive for border crossings by hiring the undocumented.

I bet he can't find a post of him complaining about Trump in the context of immigration. It's all Biden's fault
 
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hal2kilo

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Okay let the bitching begin and say Biden’s afternoon visit to the border was all a waste of time. And really Abbott and others wanting Biden to meet with the migrants?
I wished Biden shoved that piece of paper back into Abbots lap.
 
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Bitek

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The difference between them (the difference that FDC loves to ignore while projecting) is that one side spews slanted confirmation biases, while the other is spewing straight out lies, propaganda, and rhetoric.

Neither is entirely honest, but to call them the same? That's a Greenman or Jaskalas play.

To pull an FDC however, you have to pretend it only exists on one side, and accuse the opposition of every dirty trick that your masters have used.

I wouldn't call them the same, but neither are great.

MSNBC gets tiresome in it's wall to wall Trump coverage, and evening hours are repeating the same stories. CNN is just.. lame.

Overall cheap production value and little investigative news. Talking heads, talking to in studio or remote commentators.

Example, neither cover international news well, certainly no to limited in depth analysis. No consistent field reporting, unless it's a war and sending Richard Engle into the shit.

You need to watch BBC, France24, or even NHK to get Ukraine news, let alone Africa or Asia. Contrast is striking.
 

Dulanic

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I'm sure Biden was the one who caused the economies to collapse in most of the countries where these people come from too right? We have a south america crisis caused by economic collapses of countries like Venezula and others and a crime problem caused by those collapses. When people are desperate and poor, that's where crime tends to happen and that, of course, causes people to migrate.

Can you blame anyone in Venezuela for running away and out of desperation walking for months to get out? I would do the exact same thing if I was born there. Thankfully, I wasn't.
 
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hal2kilo

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I wouldn't call them the same, but neither are great.

MSNBC gets tiresome in it's wall to wall Trump coverage, and evening hours are repeating the same stories. CNN is just.. lame.

Overall cheap production value and little investigative news. Talking heads, talking to in studio or remote commentators.

Example, neither cover international news well, certainly no to limited in depth analysis. No consistent field reporting, unless it's a war and sending Richard Engle into the shit.

You need to watch BBC, France24, or even NHK to get Ukraine news, let alone Africa or Asia. Contrast is striking.
That's what get me the most about MSNBC. They have a horrible technical staff, should have fired all their studio people a long time ago.
 

nickqt

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I'm sure Biden was the one who caused the economies to collapse in most of the countries where these people come from too right? We have a south america crisis caused by economic collapses of countries like Venezula and others and a crime problem caused by those collapses. When people are desperate and poor, that's where crime tends to happen and that, of course, causes people to migrate.

Can you blame anyone in Venezuela for running away and out of desperation walking for months to get out? I would do the exact same thing if I was born there. Thankfully, I wasn't.
This comment needs more ignorant nationalism pretending to be patriotism, instead of addressing the reality of how human beings exist.

Otherwise, how is OP supposed to respond?
 
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Bitek

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This comment needs more ignorant nationalism pretending to be patriotism.

Some graphs, facts and analysis:

Basically, it's a cluster F, but it didn't just start under Biden, shifts were already happening during Trump, some of the policies he put in place have made it worse, and not enough is happening fast enough to get under control quickly. May not even be realistically possible in the short term.
https://www.wola.org/analysis/putting-border-crisis-narrative-into-context-2021/

There are real politically-independent drivers pushing migrants to the US. Economics, natural disasters (eg recent severe hurricanes, covid) and home country crime and politics.

Then add mean spirited Trump policies, that were no more effective than squeezing a water balloon. Close up amnesty programs, force people to stay in Mexico, illegal border crossing go up as migrants try other ways to get in.


"Because Title 42 is still in place, migrants at the border are being swiftly expelled back to Mexico if they are from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador. In Texas, for instance, that usually means just being captured in the field and left at the middle of a border bridge over the Rio Grande, without ever seeing the inside of a Border Patrol station.

These expulsions are creating a cycle: people of primarily Mexican and Central American origin cross the border, are expelled, then many try again."

Unlike the past, recent migrants are not Mexicans in origin, but they are piling up in Mexico. Venezuelans are currently the highest number of non-Mexican migrants apprehended.



The chances of being returned to their home country depends on diplomacy and cost. Basically, bigger the PITA, more likely they don't get sent all the way back (and just get tossed into Mexico.)



Basically, we'll need to continue to work diplomatic fronts with Mexican partners to improve security there, meanwhile getting home countries to take their citizens back, all the while trying to unfuck the amnesty/legal migration pathway until the situation can be stabilized.

Biden working on his relationship with the border patrol agency also needs to happen as well. Lots of eye poking back and forth since the horse incident.
 

nickqt

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Some graphs, facts and analysis:

Basically, it's a cluster F, but it didn't just start under Biden, shifts were already happening during Trump, some of the policies he put in place have made it worse, and not enough is happening fast enough to get under control quickly. May not even be realistically possible in the short term.
https://www.wola.org/analysis/putting-border-crisis-narrative-into-context-2021/

There are real politically-independent drivers pushing migrants to the US. Economics, natural disasters (eg recent severe hurricanes, covid) and home country crime and politics.

Then add mean spirited Trump policies, that were no more effective than squeezing a water balloon. Close up amnesty programs, force people to stay in Mexico, illegal border crossing go up as migrants try other ways to get in.




Unlike the past, recent migrants are not Mexicans in origin, but they are piling up in Mexico. Venezuelans are currently the highest number of non-Mexican migrants apprehended.



The chances of being returned to their home country depends on diplomacy and cost. Basically, bigger the PITA, more likely they don't get sent all the way back (and just get tossed into Mexico.)



Basically, we'll need to continue to work diplomatic fronts with Mexican partners to improve security there, meanwhile getting home countries to take their citizens back, all the while trying to unfuck the amnesty/legal migration pathway until the situation can be stabilized.

Biden working on his relationship with the border patrol agency also needs to happen as well. Lots of eye poking back and forth since the horse incident.
I'll have to edit my original comment because what I meant with it was, this is reality, compared to the OP's pretend patriotism that is really just stupid-fuck nationalism.
 
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HomerJS

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What happened to the DEFCON 1 Class 1 emergency and the worst utter chaos that was supposed to happen on the Southern border when Title 42 ended? Right wing media isn't covering it so I guess all that buildup was a big nothingburger.
 

FelixDeCat

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What happened to the DEFCON 1 Class 1 emergency and the worst utter chaos that was supposed to happen on the Southern border when Title 42 ended? Right wing media isn't covering it so I guess all that buildup was a big nothingburger.


So millions of new illegals (and more streaming daily) is not a problem? America is having trouble with finances. We have to borrow money just to stay afloat Cities like Chicago, New York and El Paso are declaring emergencies because of the sheer number of immigrants Biden allowed to just come into the country.

And you call this whole immigration fiasco a "nothingburger"?
 

fskimospy

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So millions of new illegals (and more streaming daily) is not a problem? America is having trouble with finances. We have to borrow money just to stay afloat Cities like Chicago, New York and El Paso are declaring emergencies because of the sheer number of immigrants Biden allowed to just come into the country.

And you call this whole immigration fiasco a "nothingburger"?
Does it bother you that republicans blocked attempts to improve this situation?

Republicans are the party of more spending, more debt, and uncontrolled immigration. Don’t you dislike all those things?
 

Paratus

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So millions of new illegals (and more streaming daily) is not a problem? America is having trouble with finances. We have to borrow money just to stay afloat Cities like Chicago, New York and El Paso are declaring emergencies because of the sheer number of immigrants Biden allowed to just come into the country.

And you call this whole immigration fiasco a "nothingburger"?
lol. Felix thinks the US has doubled its population in less than a year from illegal immigration.
 
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FelixDeCat

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Does it bother you that republicans blocked attempts to improve this situation?

Republicans are the party of more spending, more debt, and uncontrolled immigration. Don’t you dislike all those things?
Saying the opposite of what is true does not make it true. Democrats are behind everything that is wrong with America. For example, Democrats do not want to build a wall to help keep illegals out of the country.
 

fskimospy

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Saying the opposite of what is true does not make it true. Democrats are behind everything that is wrong with America. For example, Democrats do not want to build a wall to help keep illegals out of the country.
So let’s talk about that!

Most of this is just math. Do you deny that republicans spend more? Do you deny they make more debt?

You claim to care about these things and then vote for the people who make them. Are you stupid?
 
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Pohemi

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Saying the opposite of what is true does not make it true. Democrats are behind everything that is wrong with America. For example, Democrats do not want to build a wall to help keep illegals out of the country.
You're worse than just a simple liar. You would cause damage based on your lies and spite. You have the worst projection I've ever seen, and whether it's dishonesty or plain old idiocy, you're a shitcvnt either way. Go play in heavy traffic and stop wasting oxygen, shitcvnt.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Saying the opposite of what is true does not make it true. Democrats are behind everything that is wrong with America. For example, Democrats do not want to build a wall to help keep illegals out of the country.
for a second, I thought you where calling yourself out.. but then. you doubled down on your lies, with the belief the first part of this has nothing to do with you, when in fact, it is 100% you. Which you proved by the last half of this post.

Question: Who was the first President to build southern boarder walls? (hint, it wasn't a republican President and it starts with a C). Bush and Obama built about 350 miles of the boarder wall. in 2013 EVERY democrat serving int he Senate voted for a bill that included $20 Billion for building more boarder walls. So, uh, where are you getting this Democrats don't want to build walls crap from?

You see, it's not that democrats are against boarder walls, we are just against building them in areas that they will have little or no effect on the immigration problem, and/or is not feasible, and we didn't support Trump's bullshit lies. I bet you believe Trump built miles upon miles of NEW walls under his presidency.. right? Not realizing that only 452 miles of walls was built, with the majority of that 452 miles, replacing fencing that already existed, which was put in place mostly by democrats. So yeah.. how about you pull your over cooked and burnt lies out of the oven and stop trying to serve them as fresh, perfectly cooked truths, and put them in the trash where they belong.

We know, your vision, is a boarder wall that is in line with the North Korea/South Korea boarder, where anyone one caught with in a certain distance of the wall, without proper clearance and an official escort, to be shot on sight.. You know, cuz that is the type of person you are.. Fuck humanity and those that are seeking a better life.. you want them shot before they can get to the gate to request entrance. You are also the same person who will refuse to work in the fields for 12 hours a day, because those jobs are beneath you. And IF American's did take those jobs, Which they wouldn't do without the wages tripling, you would be the first person to bitch about higher prices, trying to blame the Democrats for it.

In Short: You are a hypocritical, lying piece of shit, who is ignorant as fuck!
 
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