Discussion The impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden

[Drach]

What you're talking about -- it's the jimmy dore wing.. that thought Bernie was a hero since he was anti-war and now since Biden's helping Ukraine.. they flipped over to Trump after 2022.

I'm not one of those.. I agree with Bernie's socialism.

But you're not wrong:

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Several of my friends that were hardcore Bernie voters refused to vote in their best interests after Bernie losing the nomination. One of them voted for Trump because he was so pissed off at the democrats. The others didn't vote. Being pissed at the democratic party was fine but voting for Trump when you follow Bernie's policies is crackpot dumbfuckery.

 

[Moonbeam]

Thanks for your concern bud but it's not me.

I'm very concerned about the Fascist wing of the GOP. If you think I'm shifting towards them.. relax.. I'll NEVER BE ONE OF THEM. You know my reasons.. I've mentioned them many times.

However I refuse to go along and support the incompetent and corrupt Eric Adams wing of the party which I don't think is all that better from moderate Republican wing of Do nothing and blame the dems.

And ofcourse Biden's taking a hit with Adams blaming him and he's losing blacks and hispanics if you believe the polls. I think it's a bit of hostage taking by Adams.. give me what I want or I cost you the election by repeating right wing talking points.

Total lunacy!

What I see is fear induced authoritarianism. This is best addressed, in my opinion, via the recognition that everything we fear has already happened. What you fear is reliving in consciousness past traumatic experiences. You are looking for anything at all to help you keep them repressed.

 

[nakedfrog]

Several of my friends that were hardcore Bernie voters refused to vote in their best interests after Bernie losing the nomination. One of them voted for Trump because he was so pissed off at the democrats. The others didn't vote. Being pissed at the democratic party was fine but voting for Trump when you follow Bernie's policies is crackpot dumbfuckery.

Yes, it would have been far more logical in that situation to just vote for Bernie anyway. Voting for Trump doesn't tell Democrats you're mad at them for not having Bernie be the candidate, all that registers as is "a vote for Trump".

 

[Drach]

Yes, it would have been far more logical in that situation to just vote for Bernie anyway. Voting for Trump doesn't tell Democrats you're mad at them for not having Bernie be the candidate, all that registers as is "a vote for Trump".

Not voting is the worst in my opinion. At least put a vote in for Bernie.

 

[dank69]

Several of my friends that were hardcore Bernie voters refused to vote in their best interests after Bernie losing the nomination. One of them voted for Trump because he was so pissed off at the democrats. The others didn't vote. Being pissed at the democratic party was fine but voting for Trump when you follow Bernie's policies is crackpot dumbfuckery.

It wasn't and isn't fine. Even if we accepted the worst case scenario that the DNC conspired against Sanders, that is their right. It's their fucking party. They could have told Bernie to fuck off on stage and have him thrown out by security if they wanted to.

However, the only reason people still believe Hillary or the DNC did anything to hamper his campaign is because of the absolute garbage that passes as journalism these days. There is literally zero evidence they did anything.

 

[Indus]

It wasn't and isn't fine. Even if we accepted the worst case scenario that the DNC conspired against Sanders, that is their right. It's their fucking party. They could have told Bernie to fuck off on stage and have him thrown out by security if they wanted to.

However, the only reason people still believe Hillary or the DNC did anything to hamper his campaign is because of the absolute garbage that passes as journalism these days. There is literally zero evidence they did anything.

That's where you're wrong dank.

People want it to be "their party" and don't like when people are cheated out of stuff.

That creates a vendetta situation where if they feel screwed.. they want revenge, no matter how stupid it sounds and it gives rise to one issue voters.

You'd be surprised how many Trumpanzees feel wronged by Dems and just want to lash out at them and they are very very good at validating their feelings.

If anything that rage filled mugshot made me feel.. he really nailed it for his Trumpanzees. And it would not surprise me if there was a hung jury or two in some of his trials.

 

[dank69]

That's where you're wrong dank.

People want it to be "their party" and don't like when people are cheated out of stuff.

That creates a vendetta situation where if they feel screwed.. they want revenge, no matter how stupid it sounds and it gives rise to one issue voters.

You'd be surprised how many Trumpanzees feel wronged by Dems and just want to lash out at them and they are very very good at validating their feelings.

If anything that rage filled mugshot made me feel.. he really nailed it for his Trumpanzees. And it would not surprise me if there was a hung jury or two in some of his trials.

Nobody cheated anyone. Not sure how you missed that point.

Nobody is entitled to make the Democrats be anything they aren't. All we can do is vote. Want a party that represents you? Step one is destroying the GOP. Then the Dems can split into progressives and centrists and we might see some progress.

Voting for Trump or any Republican is the worst option and always has been.

 

[Muse]

Perceived?
The Bidens took in millions from foreign countries / governments. That's an indisputable fact, correct?
Only against Trump and his own grifting / bribery could the Biden's not be "damaged goods".
But for Democrats to lower the bar to Trump....

If it was an internal party matter, the Bidens should be thrown out on their asses.

Bidens? Millions? How many BILLIONS did Kushner get from the Saudis? And for what favors?

There's a lot of talk about Biden not being popular, but what does that mean? It does not mean people won't vote for him if he's the Democratic nominee. It just means that people don't say, yeah, I love Biden. That doesn't mean jack shit. Maybe he won't get the nomination, but unless he has a stroke or heart attack it looks like he will, and people WILL vote for him. There's no evidence, not a sniff am I'm getting, that there's anything on Joe at all. It's just smoke from the GOP ultra-righties. You know what? When it comes time to vote people are going to have that justice scale thing: Trump with his two formal impeachments (not Senate confirmed because 2/3 vote was required and the Republicans more than anything didn't want their guy ousted no matter what) and indictments for 92 felonies and maybe some convictions by then and Joe with some suggestion that he's tainted because one of his sons committed some minor crimes. Joe will crush Donald. And you know what? Republicans have been inundated with conspiracy bullshit about how elections aren't honest, that their votes don't count, how they will be neutralized by fake votes. How excited will they be to go to the polls? The young aren't buying it. They are leaving the Republican Party. It's why the Senate is 50-50 + Kamala.

 

[VRAMdemon]

So .... Gaetz said the speaker could face multiple votes on motions to “vacate the chair” for failing to comply with a secret agreement that allowed him to become speaker in January. Gaetz is now suggesting that McCarthy broke the agreement? The batshit wing said they wanted “Impeachment” not an “Impeachment Inquiry” - c’mon, Kev, get it right, or get the fuck out of the way!

I suppose that’s the beauty of a secret agreement. It’s interesting to watch the Republicans follow through on this agreement without admitting what’s in it. They are both just flailing in the wind. Gaetz knows he can’t get rid of McCarthy. That is the only deal he is ever going to get. So he can only pretend to threaten McCarthy.

There won’t be any substance to this joke. McCarthy is giving the babies some toys to play with. MTG has been real clear about how badly she wants credit for this one. “No Matt, impeachment was MY idea! Stop trying to steal credit! Then, bear in mind that while the “investigation” is happening there may be a televised Trump court case happening.

Just read the vague shit they blame on Biden, and that will be the text of the impeachment. “He failed to secure the border, he failed to ensure election integrity, he’s illegally profiting off his office.” No evidence, just projection and accusations. They are going to have a series of meetings to determine which fantasy allegation to use. It’s going to take some time.

Jared Kushner took $2 billion from the Saudis - Well, that’s it right there. "Biden didn’t stop an obvious bribe!"

 

[HomerJS]

So .... Gaetz said the speaker could face multiple votes on motions to “vacate the chair” for failing to comply with a secret agreement that allowed him to become speaker in January. Gaetz is now suggesting that McCarthy broke the agreement? The batshit wing said they wanted “Impeachment” not an “Impeachment Inquiry” - c’mon, Kev, get it right, or get the fuck out of the way!

I suppose that’s the beauty of a secret agreement. It’s interesting to watch the Republicans follow through on this agreement without admitting what’s in it. They are both just flailing in the wind. Gaetz knows he can’t get rid of McCarthy. That is the only deal he is ever going to get. So he can only pretend to threaten McCarthy.

Want a good laugh concerning that "secret agreement"? A lying shitshow with a dash of incompetence.

 

[hal2kilo]

Not voting is the worst in my opinion. At least put a vote in for Bernie.

Would be just like not voting. Edit: "is" weird - different form of the verb? AI is that you?

 

[Lanyap]

Want a good laugh concerning that "secret agreement"? A lying shitshow with a dash of incompetence.

What a Butt-Head.
A dangerous idiot.

 

[hal2kilo]

What a Butt-Head.
A dangerous idiot.

Same nose, upside down smile, yea.

 

[nakedfrog]

Which one is smarter?

 

[hal2kilo]

Which one is smarter?

If you need a hip hop encyclopedia Ari's your man.

 

[nakedfrog]

If you need a hip hop encyclopedia Ari's your man.

I, uh, was meaning between Butthead and the guy who (allegedly) paid for sex with a minor

 

[Moonbeam]

‘Fictitious’ facts and ‘imagined’ history: GOP Rep. Ken Buck slams Biden impeachment effort

“Trump’s impeachment in 2019 was a disgrace to the Constitution and a disservice to Americans. The GOP’s reprise in 2023 is no better,” Buck wrote in an op-ed published Friday.

www.politico.com

Perhaps the 1% are getting tired of having their primary issue ignored. Government spending needs to be cut so taxes can be reduced.

EDIT: Just saw this on MSNBC:

Mostly, though, they and their political servants (in the U.S., that means especially, but not exclusively, the Republican Party) stoke fights on battlefields small and large. Gurner blames young people’s monetary struggles on avocado toast and overpriced coffee. Major Republican donors like Rebekah Mercer donate millions to conservative media outlets and candidates who stoke fears of culture wars, drag queens and people of color — and who, when they get into office, prioritize tax cuts slanted toward the wealthy.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Fuck Joe Brandon stupid asshole who does he think he is trying to save us from ourselves. Fucking dumbfuck this is America, freedumb asshole I can kill me myself however I want.

Edit: This may have been the result of drunk posting

 

[HomerJS]

Even Johnathan Turley who has been a right wing schill for the last few years says no there-there.

Star GOP Witness Immediately Pours Cold Water on Biden Impeachment

“I do not believe that the current evidence would support articles of impeachment,” said Jonathan Turley.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[hal2kilo]

Even Johnathan Turley who has been a right wing schill for the last few years says no there-there.

Star GOP Witness Immediately Pours Cold Water on Biden Impeachment

“I do not believe that the current evidence would support articles of impeachment,” said Jonathan Turley.

www.thedailybeast.com

But then he dissembles. He's really gone down the rabbit hole.

 

[dainthomas]

They're actually fiddling with this today instead of keeping the government open.

I bet if their pay was cut off during a shutdown it would never happen again.

 

[KMFJD]

Nobles: “Can you explain the timing of the Aug. 6 WhatsApp message? Why is that evidence of some wrongdoing?”
Smith: “I’m not an expert on the timeline. I would love to have, um, President Biden and his family to tell us about all the timeline.”
Nobles : “But if he's not the president or the vice president at that time, where’s the wrongdoing? He wasn’t even a candidate for president at that time.”
Smith: “He was a candidate.”
Nobles : “On Aug. 6 of 2017?”
Smith: “So apparently, apparently … what source are you with?”
Nobles: “I’m with NBC.”
Smith: “So apparently, you’ll never believe us.”
Nobles: “I’m not saying I don’t believe you. I’m asking you a very direct question. You presented a piece of evidence that you say came on Aug. 6 2017, that demonstrates that Joe Biden was using political influence to help his son.”
Smith: “What’s that?”
Nobles: “The WhatsApp message you put up. How does that demonstrate that there was some sort of political influence put over him if at that time he wasn’t a political figure, he’s not an elected official?”
Smith: “I’m definitely not going to pinpoint one item.”
Nobles: “You presented it. It was your first thing that you brought.”
Smith: “So, apparently you don’t agree with it.”
Nobles: “It’s not that I don’t agree with it. I’m asking you to explain it.”
Smith: “I’ll take the next question.” 🤣

The goal is to give the false impression that using these tactics to attack political opponents is a normal part of how the game is being played now.
The goal is making it appear as if the criminal ex-president Trump being investigated, prosecuted and convicted is solely due to partisan politics, bias and hidden agendas.
The goal is to say "See? Everyone does this".

they just keep spreading the fud and amazingly just enough Americans lap it up, it's maddening

 

[Pens1566]

lmfao, this is such amateur hour shit, seriously....

Nobles: “Can you explain the timing of the Aug. 6 WhatsApp message? Why is that evidence of some wrongdoing?”
Smith: “I’m not an expert on the timeline. I would love to have, um, President Biden and his family to tell us about all the timeline.”
Nobles : “But if he's not the president or the vice president at that time, where’s the wrongdoing? He wasn’t even a candidate for president at that time.”
Smith: “He was a candidate.”
Nobles : “On Aug. 6 of 2017?”
Smith: “So apparently, apparently … what source are you with?”
Nobles: “I’m with NBC.”
Smith: “So apparently, you’ll never believe us.”
Nobles: “I’m not saying I don’t believe you. I’m asking you a very direct question. You presented a piece of evidence that you say came on Aug. 6 2017, that demonstrates that Joe Biden was using political influence to help his son.”
Smith: “What’s that?”
Nobles: “The WhatsApp message you put up. How does that demonstrate that there was some sort of political influence put over him if at that time he wasn’t a political figure, he’s not an elected official?”
Smith: “I’m definitely not going to pinpoint one item.”
Nobles: “You presented it. It was your first thing that you brought.”
Smith: “So, apparently you don’t agree with it.”
Nobles: “It’s not that I don’t agree with it. I’m asking you to explain it.”
Smith: “I’ll take the next question.” 🤣

Should be on Pornhub with a title like "Creepy republican gets fucked live in front of crowd"

 

[brycejones]

they just keep spreading the fud and amazingly just enough Americans lap it up, it's maddening

See @Jaskalas

 

[Dave_5k]

So far, the Republicans have managed to conclusively prove:
1) None of the payments to Hunter were illegal
2) Joe Biden received absolutely no benefits and no payments from Hunter's activities

While convincing half of America the exact opposite on both points through repeated lies.