the trade place in perf/watt in cpu and gpu workloads...
I'm aware, which is why I'm confused as to why the PDF had an HD 4600 listed in the graphics section for the ThinkPad 10.
Sorry I'm afraid I used the wrong word: I indeed meant custom ROMs. Where can one download custom ROM for an Intel-based smartphone? I didn't find anything on XDA.
Sorry for being off-topic, but given that it seems many people have difficulties installing Linux on their BT tablets, I'm trying to get a clearer picture.
The Verge said:We were impressed with last year's Thinkpad Tablet 2, and it looks like Lenovo's mending some of our key sticking points with the prior model. Most importantly, the ThinkPad 10 now has a 1,920 x 1,200 IPS display instead of the lackluster unit on the prior generation, and Lenovo's upgraded the processor inside to a quad-core Atom ("Bay Trail") chip from Intel that should better deliver on the promise of using the tablet as a real computer. It's also available with up to 4GB of RAM, 128GB of storage, and a digitizer pen.
Liliputing said:Its specs include:
10.1 inch, 1920 x 1200 pixel display with 170 degree viewing angles
Intel Atom Z3795 quad-core CPU
Support for Windows 8.1 64-bit
2GB to 4GB of RAM
64GB to 128GB of built-in storage
micoSD card slot
33Whr battery (10 hours)
8MP rear camera and 2MP front-facing camera
Optional 3G and 4G support
The tablet also includes a USB port, micro HDMI port, headset jack, and micro SIM card slot on models with mobile broadband.
Asus is preparing to launch a new low-cost Android tablet with an Intel Atom Z3745 Bay Trail processor. It’s called the Asus MeMO Pad ME176C, and detailed about the new tablet started to pop up in April.
Wondering how the Atom Z3745 chip stacks up against the latest ARM-based processors? Benchmark results are a bit varied, but generally it looks like you can expect performance somewhere in the Samsung Galaxy S4 to LG G2 range [...]
Specs:
Models: ME176 (K013) ME176C / ME176CX
FCC ID MSQK013
OS: Android 4.4 KitKat
CPU: Intel Atom Z3745 (Bay Trail-T) Quad-core up to 1.8GHz
GPU: Intel HD Graphics
RAM: 1GB
ROM: 8GB or 16GB
9.6mm
295g
1280×800 WXGA
5MP (CMOS) LED 1.2MP (CMOS)
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth 4.0
3910mAh battery
Two more Bay Trail-D (including the first Pentium J2900). These are the 8th and 9th boards to make it to Newegg:
ECS BAT-I(1.0)/J2900 ($119.99 plus $6.98 shipping)
Do you not understand the mechanics of the Bay Trail subsidies?The Asus is interesting, intel should take note: we will take your crappy mobile processors if you pay us to use them!
Do you not understand the mechanics of the Bay Trail subsidies?
www.theverge.com/2014/5/13/5712270/lenovo-thinkpad-10-tablet-announced-specs
www.engadget.com/2014/05/13/lenovo-thinkpad-10/
http://liliputing.com/2014/05/lenovo-thinkpad-10-windows-tablet-coming-in-june-for-599-and-up.html
Thinkpad 10 Product Tour: www.youtube.com/watch?v=afSzf23HuQY&feature=youtu.be
Meet the $149 quad-core Atom Z3745-based Asus ME176C Android tablet
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Just in someone else doesn't, basically Bay Trail was not designed with tablets in mind. There are additional costs required to implement Bay Trail on a system board level, like adding more circuit board layers, that are unrelated to the cost of Intel's product. Intel ended up having an uncompetitive product as a result, so they've had to provide subsidies in order to make their product competitive. They're still missing a lot of polish on the SoC level. Wonder if they'll ever have the killer features that Qualcomm has.I do and I'm saying those subsidies obviously go much further with the Asus than they do with that 599 thinkpad. I'm perfectly willing to try an inferior product if the price is right (149 is right, 599 is not).
Just in someone else doesn't, basically Bay Trail was not designed with tablets in mind. There are additional costs required to implement Bay Trail on a system board level, like adding more circuit board layers, that are unrelated to the cost of Intel's product. Intel ended up having an uncompetitive product as a result, so they've had to provide subsidies in order to make their product competitive. They're still missing a lot of polish on the SoC level. Wonder if they'll ever have the killer features that Qualcomm has.
The battery life is the killer, x86 mobile as a platform is just a power hog.
Interesting perspective. What was it designed for? Laptops? Smartphones? You're saying they just named it Bay Trail-T and stuck it in tablets as an afterthought? I always thought it's main purpose was for tablets from the beginning (or 2-in-1s maybe, which are still part tablets/touchscreen?).Just in someone else doesn't, basically Bay Trail was not designed with tablets in mind.
Supposedly, it was originally targeted at netbooks, and has been adapted for tablet use. There's been statements from (the CEO, I believe) Intel claiming as such. Intel17 can probably point you to the right source(s), if you're interested.Interesting perspective. What was it designed for? Laptops? Smartphones? You're saying they just named it Bay Trail-T and stuck it in tablets as an afterthought? I always thought it's main purpose was for tablets from the beginning (or 2-in-1s maybe, which are still part tablets/touchscreen?).
But what we're doing is we're taking Bay Trail, which was a product really designed for the PC market and we made the decision to take it broadly across different segments of the tablet market this year. It brings along with it at least over the course of 2014 a higher bill of materials, kind of independent from the SoC cost. It's power management subsystem, it's motherboard that it goes on, it's the memory solution, those kinds of things. So, we're providing some contra revenue to offset that bill of material delta over the course of 2014. Now, as we said, we're doing value engineering with our customers and our partners and so we're bringing down that bill of material over the course of 2014 independent of any changes to our SoC.
The battery life is the killer, x86 mobile as a platform is just a power hog. iOS has incredible power efficiency and because apple isn't stupid enough to jam QHD screens into everything it makes (and thereby destroy gpu performance) it will be very tough to beat them on a practical basis even with a process advantage.
As far as cellphone SoCs with intel processors, Qualcomm is just totally dominant right now and until Intel can produce chips that are quantitatively superior to Qualcomm they're gonna have a tough time with android. I do think that Intel will be the processor of choice for WP8 but really, who cares.
Battery life isn't an issue with Bay Trail devices. Besides the reviews on Anand, you can find plenty of other sources to confirm that fact.
It was made for high-end tablets, but Intel now wants high volume, so that means Bay Trail is now also a chip for low-end, but the BoM simply doesn't reflect that, although I think the BoM for being a high-end part still isn't as good as it could be, and compared to Qualcomm.Interesting perspective. What was it designed for? Laptops? Smartphones? You're saying they just named it Bay Trail-T and stuck it in tablets as an afterthought? I always thought it's main purpose was for tablets from the beginning (or 2-in-1s maybe, which are still part tablets/touchscreen?).
It isn't Intel's fault that no one else uses IGZO displays. Don't confuse SoC power with battery life of the whole product.They aren't any better than ARM, and they are worse performers than the A7 or S800 in web and GPU.
Bay Trail needs to provide more than just equal CPU and battery w inferior gpu. S801 is actually better in battery life than bay trail while simultaneously being much faster in GPU and equal in CPU. All with a process node disadvantage.
Bay Trail needs to provide more than just equal CPU and battery w inferior gpu.
both A7 and S800 can draw more power than BT-T under heavy load, so you might want to check your sources again
silvermont provides excelent cpu performance per watt, if intel improves gpu performance per watt with cherry trail they will have a very competitive chip