The Intel Atom Thread

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The Z3735F seems to have a lower ark price than the Z3735E? ark makes no sence as always.

Yep, I noticed Z3735F is listed at $17 ---> http://ark.intel.com/products/80274/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3735F-2M-Cache-up-to-1_83-GHz vs. $21 for the Z3735E--> http://ark.intel.com/products/80273/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3735E-2M-Cache-up-to-1_83-GHz

Main difference I can tell from Ark is that the $17 processor uses 2GB ram vs. 1GB RAM on the $21 processor.

However, CPU world goes into detail and explains the real reason we see the lower pricing---> http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014042201_Details_of_Atom_Z3735F_and_Z3735G_processors.html

Two months ago we reported on upcoming Bay Trail-T refresh, that will be comprised of 9 new Atom-branded systems-on-a-chip. The "Bay Trail-T" is an ultra low power core, built on the latest 22nm process, and used by inexpensive dual- and quad-core processors for tablets. The first wave of these products was launched in September of last year, and consisted on Z3740, Z3740D, Z3770 and Z3770D models. At the beginning of this quarter we should see the second wave of tablet processors, including Atom Z3745, Z3745D, Z3775, Z3775D and Z3795 mid- to high-end models, and Atom Z3735D and Z3735E value SKUs. Atom Z3735F and Z3735G entry-level SKUs should be also available this quarter. The "F" and "G" chips will be shipped in 7" Android tablets, priced at $129 or less. Specifications of these Atoms are now available in the "Intel Atom Processor Z3600 and Z3700 Series" datasheet from Intel's website.

We published details of Z3795, Z3775, Z3775D, Z3745, Z3745D, Z3735D and Z3735E processors in our previous story, and they mostly match the information in the datasheet. We have not reported on the Z3735F and Z3735G SKUs yet. Based on the datasheet, they have the same CPU characteristics as the Z3735D and Z3735E respectively. The Z3735F is a quad-core processor, operating at 1.33 GHz, or up to 1.58 GHz when 3 or 4 cores are active, or up 1.83 GHz when at least two cores are idle. The chip has 2 MB of L2 cache, single-channel DDR3 memory controller, and seventh-generation graphics unit. The memory controller uses 64 bit wide bus to access DDR3L-RS 1333 memory. The maximum supported memory size on the Z3735F is 2 GB. The GPU runs at 313 MHz, and has the maximum burst frequency of 646 MHz (688 MHz according to our sources). Similar to the Z3735D, the Z3735F has the maximum recommended display resolution of 1900x1200.

The Z3735G has 32-bit memory bus, which limits supported RAM size to 1 GB, and cuts in half memory bandwidth from 10.6 GB/s to 5.3 GB/s. Its maximum display resolution is 1200x800.

The main difference between entry-level SKUs and the Z3735D/E is the packaging. The "F" and "G" parts use the same size package with fewer ball contacts, which is presumably less expensive in manufacturing. To accommodate smaller number of I/O contacts, Intel removed some interfaces and reduced the number of ports and controllers, available on the chip. For instance, the "F" and "G" chips have two Camera Serial interface ports instead of 3, and fewer number of USB 2.0, I2S and I2C ports. Also, the entry-level Atoms do not have an LPC interface, and they do not support USB 3.0. The Z3735F and Z3735G incorporate image signal processor, audio processing engine, and a media encode/decode engine, capable of encoding/decoding of H.264, VC1, VP8, and WMV9 video formats. The TDP of Z3735F/G processors was not disclosed, however the datasheet states that both chips have 2.2 Watt Scenario Design Power.
 
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Shivansps

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Yep, I noticed Z3735F is listed at $17 ---> http://ark.intel.com/products/80274/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3735F-2M-Cache-up-to-1_83-GHz vs. $21 for the Z3735E--> http://ark.intel.com/products/80273/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3735E-2M-Cache-up-to-1_83-GHz

Main difference I can tell from Ark is that the $17 processor uses 2GB ram vs. 1GB RAM on the $21 processor.

However, CPU world goes into detail and explains the real reason we see the lower pricing---> http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014042201_Details_of_Atom_Z3735F_and_Z3735G_processors.html

I see... F/G are limited to 7" devices. The D is the equivalent of the "F" for 8"... they also have twice the bandwidth than a E.

Also i managed to find other devices from Emdoor with BT.

http://mslinc.eventpac.com/?page_id=36

Emdoor EM-I8011 2on1 10.1" 1/2GB Z3735D/E
Emdoor EM-I8280 2on1 8" 1/2GB Z3735D/E
Emdoor Miso 7" 1GB Z3735G

mmm maybe the I8080 gona come in Z3735D with 2GB too, I8280 and I8080 are likely to be sharing the same MB after all...

The batt numbers show there are plain awfull.
 
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IntelUser2000

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I see... F/G are limited to 7" devices. The D is the equivalent of the "F" for 8"... they also have twice the bandwidth than a E.

Technically they are not limited to screen size, but resolution. The F supports 19x12 resolution and Intel has a reference design for 8 and 10 inches. They have 7-inch reference design for the G though. Its probably likely these vendors just reuse Intel's reference designs.

The F and G are going to replace D and E. These are the versions that are supposed to cut the contra revenue requirement by 1/2. But they are not available yet though.

Emdoor Miso 7" 1GB Z3735G
They are planning on a price of $60.
 
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IntelUser2000

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The i8080 is using a E because Intel and Emdoor are not ready with F/G designs. They are supposed to fast refresh the line with the F/G chips.

Ok, so reiterating the D/E vs F/G. It looks like at least for Emdoor, they will all exist. Rather than outright replacing the D/E parts with F/G, all will coexist with the F/G parts at much lower cost envelope. So now you see vendors releasing D/E parts. In about few months or so, probably Aug/Sep, you'll see another wave with F/G.

The i8080 is also going to get a 3G version. The WiFi version is supposed to be $99, while 3G is probably in the $129-139 range. The 7-inch you linked also has 3G and WiFi variants, with prices at $99 and $60 respectively(well hopefully anyway).
 

cbn

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Emdoor Miso 7" 1GB Z3735G
They are planning on a price of $60.

http://mslinc.eventpac.com/?portfolio=emdoor-miso



Here are some specs I copied and pasted from the link above:

Product Type: Windows 8.1 Notebook
Model Name: Miso
Processor: 7″ Intel Bay Trail-T CRV2

Full PC in a 7” package with the combined power of Windows and Office 365 Personal Subscription for 1 year

Intel Bay Trail-T Z3735G
1GB DDR3L
16GB eMMC
7″ / 1280×800 IPS
Battery: Up to 6 hrs (11.1Wh/3.7V)
3G
WiFi/Bluetooth4.0
Camera Front/rear, 2M/2M
Dimension 10 mm thickness
Weight 400g

1 x Mini HDMI
1 x USB (Micro)
1 x MIC/Headphone 3.5mm
1 x Micro SD
Miracast

==============================================================

Overall, that looks like a really good spec for something that is supposed to cost $60 for the Wifi-only version.
 
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Roland00Address

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I wonder if you can install the office 365 personal subscription on another computer that is not the computer it is supposed to be on (this may all change in the future and Microsoft could always tie the subscription to the serial number, but I doubt it anytime soon due to logistics).

For $60 dollars you have a year of office 365 for 1 computer, while you have a toy you give your kids to watch movies on or play silly games. Hell paid antivirus cost $60 dollars a year if you pay full mark up and don't buy it on sale.
 

witeken

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Not only a bit, Intel demonstrated Bay Trail excessively at Computex last year. No announcement or hint at Computex, I doubt we see Cherry Trail out in the market this year. No status update from Intel for a while or a current leak. Maybe delayed to Q1 2015.

As far as I know, they didn't demonstrate Broadwell excessively too, but Broadwell will be launched in September/October.

Intel demonstrated Bay Trail excessively because it was, after 6 years, a brand new architecture, something revolutionary. Cherry Trail is just a Tick with higher clock speeds.

And everywhere where you look, you see that Airmont is H2. Originally Q3 and Willow Trail in Q4, but now it's 1 quarter later because of the delay.

Its GPU has a big redesigned architecture, but they haven't told us anything about it yet even for Broadwell.
 

witeken

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Yea, we'll probably see some announcements at IDF this fall. They demoed Core M, but that's not right at the end of the year, while Cherry Trail is further off.

Source? I think Broadwell is delayed partially because Intel needs the best tech they can in mobile, because there's where they have to gain lots of market share. Production of 14nm started in Q1, so I think launch at CES is way too pessimistic.
 

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Well Broadwell was always intended to be the launch vehicle for 14nm, with other 14nm products coming later.
 

mikk

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As far as I know, they didn't demonstrate Broadwell excessively too, but Broadwell will be launched in September/October.


They demonstrated and announced Broadwell-M as first 14nm product later this year. This is all we need. About CHT nothing, I guess first devices will be available in Q1 2015. Maybe they do plan a CES launch instead IDF.
 

ninaholic37

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Emdoor I8080 Tablet is a $100 Windows 8.1 Tablet with Bay Trail-T





http://news.softpedia.com/news/Emdo...indows-8-1-Tablet-with-Bay-Trail-445073.shtml
www.mobilegeeks.de/computex-2014-emdoor-i8080-100-dollar-tablet-mit-windows-8-1-im-hands-on-video/

That's insanely cheap for a full Windows 8.1 tablet running quad-core Bay Trail-T. Just as a comparison, HP is showcasing a $100 Android 4.2 tablet packing a much slower Allwinner A31 quad-core Cortex A7 @ Computex.
This, I think, will become quite popular because of it's price and real Windows 8. I'm curious to see how well it can rival Chromebooks on Amazon when it's released.
 

TreVader

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/7314/intel-baytrail-preview-intel-atom-z3770-tested/3

vs Tablets













vs PCs

Better CPU performance than 15W TDP AMD A4-5000, average power comsumption of 0.8-1.2W running CB11.5










Your benchmarks are conspicuously lacking the iPad Air or Retina mini


Everybody knows bay trail gets murdered by A7 in browser benchmarks. A7 just has way too powerful single thread. That won't change with cherry trail because the whole Atom architecture is a cut down version of core, which is equally wide as A7.
 

Homeles

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Your benchmarks are conspicuously lacking the iPad Air or Retina mini


Everybody knows bay trail gets murdered by A7 in browser benchmarks. A7 just has way too powerful single thread. That won't change with cherry trail because the whole Atom architecture is a cut down version of core, which is equally wide as A7.
09-11-2013

 

TreVader

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"The Z3735G has 32-bit memory bus, which limits supported RAM size to 1 GB, and cuts in half memory bandwidth from 10.6 GB/s to 5.3 GB/s. Its maximum display resolution is 1200x800."

So much cringe in 2014 at these specs. This is garbage, wouldn't even run android 4.3 at 2012 Nexus 7 levels of performance.
 

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"The Z3735G has 32-bit memory bus, which limits supported RAM size to 1 GB, and cuts in half memory bandwidth from 10.6 GB/s to 5.3 GB/s. Its maximum display resolution is 1200x800."

So much cringe in 2014 at these specs. This is garbage, wouldn't even run android 4.3 at 2012 Nexus 7 levels of performance.

Intel already has higher end parts. These specs aren't unusual for the price bracket.
 

TreVader

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It's almost as if budget devices have budget hardware.

Is that intels plan, to win the budget segment then conquer the high end?




Seems to be working out great for AMD in x86, glad to see intel adopt the strategy. There is no excuse in 2014 for the self appointed world leader in chip design to be producing stuff that would have a lot of trouble competing with a top of the line samsung chip in 2011.
 

Homeles

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Is that intels plan, to win the budget segment then conquer the high end?




Seems to be working out great for AMD in x86, glad to see intel adopt the strategy. There is no excuse in 2014 for the self appointed world leader in chip design to be producing stuff that would have a lot of trouble competing with a top of the line samsung chip in 2011.
Sometimes businesses want to compete in the low AND the high end markets. Is that really such a surprise to you?
 

TreVader

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Intel already has higher end parts. These specs aren't unusual for the price bracket.

I'm aware. My point is that these specs and chips like these are the reason crappy android devices are everywhere and it's not even capable of providing a good android experience.



Google needs to start policing who gets to install their operating system. I'm starting to think intel might be a liability to them putting this kind of crap which no doubt some poor sap will pay $200 for in 2015 and wonder why android sucks so much and iOS is always fast and smooth.
 

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"The Z3735G has 32-bit memory bus, which limits supported RAM size to 1 GB, and cuts in half memory bandwidth from 10.6 GB/s to 5.3 GB/s. Its maximum display resolution is 1200x800."

So much cringe in 2014 at these specs. This is garbage, wouldn't even run android 4.3 at 2012 Nexus 7 levels of performance.

It's 60 dollars...

The 2012 Nexus 7 is still $145+ on Amazon.

Is that intels plan, to win the budget segment then conquer the high end?

Seems to be working out great for AMD in x86, glad to see intel adopt the strategy. There is no excuse in 2014 for the self appointed world leader in chip design to be producing stuff that would have a lot of trouble competing with a top of the line samsung chip in 2011.

It's obviously attacking all corners of the market. This isn't a top of the line chip, isn't marketed as one, and isn't priced as one. What's the problem?

Your benchmarks are conspicuously lacking the iPad Air or Retina mini

Yes, next time, foresee the future and post accordingly.
 

TreVader

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It's 60 dollars...

The 2012 Nexus 7 is still $145+ on Amazon.



It's obviously attacking all corners of the market. This isn't a top of the line chip, isn't marketed as one, and isn't priced as one. What's the problem?



Yes, next time, foresee the future and post accordingly.

You can get a 2012 nexus 7 for $50-100 easily and it will be 100x better.
 

ninaholic37

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"The Z3735G has 32-bit memory bus, which limits supported RAM size to 1 GB, and cuts in half memory bandwidth from 10.6 GB/s to 5.3 GB/s. Its maximum display resolution is 1200x800."

So much cringe in 2014 at these specs. This is garbage, wouldn't even run android 4.3 at 2012 Nexus 7 levels of performance.
512MB RAM and 1024x768 still works fine for me in 2014.

This might push MS to optimize some of it's bloatware products (Office, Visual Studios).
 

dahorns

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You can get a 2012 nexus 7 for $50-100 easily and it will be 100x better.

Uh, no you can't. Not unless you're stealing it.

Google needs to start policing who gets to install their operating system. I'm starting to think intel might be a liability to them putting this kind of crap which no doubt some poor sap will pay $200 for in 2015 and wonder why android sucks so much and iOS is always fast and smooth.

What are you talking about? It is a 60 dollar device. And, I'm sure it will run Android just fine.

Anyways, I'll stop feeding the off-topic rant.
 
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