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dahorns

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Wouldn't want it to cannibalize notebook sales...

I don't think that is really the concern. They already market Baytrail for low to mid-end notebooks. The processors support up to 8 gigs, so it really just provides some product segmentations. Also, there is no reason for a cheapo reference device to sport 8 gigs of memory.
 

Shivansps

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Well, base clock is faster, that important because thats the clock they gona run at when the igp is in use, the bad thing is, its not by much.
 
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Nothingness

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Well, base clock is faster, that important because thats the clock they gona run at when the igp is in use, the bad thing is, its not by much.
Well at the high end Bay Trail Z3795 already is 1.6-2.4GHz and all other 1.5-2.4GHz, or at the lowed end 1.3-1.8/2.2GHz. So the frequency change is definitely not that high. But as I already wrote, it's not what matters; the question is how long can these new 14nm chips run at higher frequencies.
 

Shivansps

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Well at the high end Bay Trail Z3795 already is 1.6-2.4GHz and all other 1.5-2.4GHz, or at the lowed end 1.3-1.8/2.2GHz. So the frequency change is definitely not that high. But as I already wrote, it's not what matters; the question is how long can these new 14nm chips run at higher frequencies.

Well, the Z3735D can mantain its quad core turbo for a very long time really, the problem aways was that cpu and igp cant use turbo at the same time. It also remains to be seen the quad core turbo clocks.
 

dahorns

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Well at the high end Bay Trail Z3795 already is 1.6-2.4GHz and all other 1.5-2.4GHz, or at the lowed end 1.3-1.8/2.2GHz. So the frequency change is definitely not that high. But as I already wrote, it's not what matters; the question is how long can these new 14nm chips run at higher frequencies.

Yeah, I think that is a great question. As a comparison, Broadwell parts appear to maintain anywhere from 1.5x - 2x the clock of comparable Haswell parts under stress tests. See notebookcheck stress test numbers. Since Intel has refused/been unable to increase clock speed for its Core and Atom parts, you'd hope that Airmont would show similarly improved sustained performance.

Back to Moorefield, I'd really like to get ahold of Asus' Zenfone 2: http://www.asus.com/Phones/ZenFone_2_ZE551ML/

The Z3560 and Z3580 get schooled in Geekbench, but appear to hold their own in other CPU benches compared to the A57/A53 competitors.

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2015/02/asus-zenfone-2-impresses-in-antutu-benchmark/

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Atom-Z3580-SoC.123974.0.html
 

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just to show they are running on 64 bit UEFI, no 32 bit OS capable. Kinda OK for me, not sure about the 8300.
Why the @#@* there is even 32 bit Windows put into normal end-user devices is a correct response.

New 32-bit Windows versions should either not exist or be this odd version available on special request/order for those few users that have to use antiquated 16-bit software but for some reason want to have newest Windows.


Seriously time to flush 32-bit enviroment down the toilet was long time ago.

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EDIT: ok I mistunerstood NEVER MIND LOL
 
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Sweepr

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Some people got to play with Cherry Trail-T @ MWC.



Intel's Cherry Trail Atom chips are almost here, and if you're in the market for an Intel-based tablet the future looks bright.

We briefly got our hands on what could be the first Cherry Trail tablet shown publicly -- an 8-inch prototype from Intel running Android with a variety of apps and games installed. The graphics in particular stood out.

The game "Real Racing 3" took some time to load, but when it started the display kept pace easily with the fast-moving visuals. A previous Bay Trail chip in an Asus Transformer Book T100 struggled with demanding games, showing how far the Atom X5 and X7 chips, as they're known, have come.

The tablet wasn't connected to the Internet, so we didn't get a taste of the Wi-Fi speed or how fast cloud applications will load. But other local apps fired up quickly. The tablet had USB 3.0 and HDMI ports and a audio jack.

The first Cherry Trail tablets will have 7-inch to 10-inch screens and are expected to range in price from about US$120 to $500. Asus, Lenovo, Acer, Dell, Toshiba and Hewlett-Packard will all ship them in the first half of the year.

www.computerworld.com/article/2891718/hands-on-with-cherry-trail-screaming-graphics-for-tablets.html
 

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The first Cherry Trail tablets will have 7-inch to 10-inch screens and are expected to range in price from about US$120 to $500. Asus, Lenovo, Acer, Dell, Toshiba and Hewlett-Packard will all ship them in the first half of the year.

Okay this is starting to piss me off. We were supposed to get cherry trail prior to christmas thus q4 2014 and they are not even saying q1 2015 but possibly q2 2015.

Intel stop being a damn tease, especially when we have already been let down on the cpu part of your chip (limited architecture improvements even for a die shrink, not much frequency bump) with us only getting better battery life and graphics.
 

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Okay this is starting to piss me off. We were supposed to get cherry trail prior to christmas thus q4 2014 and they are not even saying q1 2015 but possibly q2 2015.

Intel stop being a damn tease, especially when we have already been let down on the cpu part of your chip (limited architecture improvements even for a die shrink, not much frequency bump) with us only getting better battery life and graphics.

unfortunately it looks like that nobody is in a hurry to bring cherry trail products to market... not even intel itself.

im quite pissed cause i bought a bay trail dualboot (android, win8.1) tablet a month ago but it was defective so i returned it and decided to wait for cherry trail stuff to come out

looking at bay trail time to market i thought it would take about 2 months, 3 tops, to get the new generation of products but it seems like we will start seeing cherry trail stuff only by june...
 

IntelUser2000

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Okay this is starting to piss me off. We were supposed to get cherry trail prior to christmas thus q4 2014 and they are not even saying q1 2015 but possibly q2 2015.

Intel stop being a damn tease, especially when we have already been let down on the cpu part of your chip (limited architecture improvements even for a die shrink, not much frequency bump) with us only getting better battery life and graphics.

Actually some Dell roadmaps indicated we might have seen CT in Q3 of last year!

Also I'd like to make a small change to your post. It should be "zero architecture improvements". GPU is not impressive either.
 

Shivansps

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Actually some Dell roadmaps indicated we might have seen CT in Q3 of last year!

Also I'd like to make a small change to your post. It should be "zero architecture improvements". GPU is not impressive either.

Actually the igp may be able to beat kabini, whould call that impressive if they can.
 

mikk

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Okay this is starting to piss me off. We were supposed to get cherry trail prior to christmas thus q4 2014 and they are not even saying q1 2015 but possibly q2 2015.


Because CHT is still way off and Intel itself doesn't like to tell us the truth. According to some OEM Roadmaps Cherry Trail devices are coming in June. In case there is another small issue CHT slips into H2 2015.
 

krumme

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Mobile revenue last year was negative - Have you ever heard about that before?. And a staggering 4B loss. Think about that before complaining about lateness. Cherrytrail doesn make a damn difference compared to bt in the market and hardly even for user experience. So i will say give it a rest - the money will have to come from another source and its obviously not worth it. I for one dont want to pay for your crappy 150usd 14nm tablets through my good Intel gear
 

mikk

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What a nonsense. You are deluded to claim that 2x the gfx performance doesn't make a difference. Even for user experience, think about video decoding.
 

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So CPU performance will stay pretty much flat? What are the clocks on the Pentium desktop version of Cherry Trail that is supposed to be the first to retail?

GPU is about 80-85% of what I wanted to see but it goes from anemic in Bay Trail to decent so it's certainly not disappointing. Although it is looking like even the X3 won't quite make it down to the sub $100 tablet range.
 

krumme

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What a nonsense. You are deluded to claim that 2x the gfx performance doesn't make a difference. Even for user experience, think about video decoding.

What videodecoding is better on ct? Bt plays all youtube fine.
- And i dont asume its for playing samsung nx1 h265 files lol
Its a tablet soc in the real world and there is no camera with h265 encoding onboard and the difference doesnt matter anyway. H264 is fine for that market.
The difference is Intel will lose 2b instead of 4b - that is if they continue to give away atom for free. But it looks like its their old and proven strategy they have followed since ct. For users imo its more or less the same product.
 

lalla521

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Because CHT is still way off and Intel itself doesn't like to tell us the truth. According to some OEM Roadmaps Cherry Trail devices are coming in June. In case there is another small issue CHT slips into H2 2015.

can you link those roadmaps? just curious as i feared they really meant "late june" when they said "during h1 2015"
 
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