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Thala

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So what does Intel have to compete against Kryo? A delayed & slower Broxton? You'd start hoping that Qualcomm moved from TSMC to Intel instead of Samsung.

They do not have anything to compete with Kryo. However their current strategy is to compete on the low-end side with SoFIA and getting their modems into high-end aka iPhone. And even Broxton might get one or the other design win assuming Intel extends the counter revenue program.
 
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witeken

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Qualcomm moved to Samsung, not to Intel. If they did, Intel would have baked into their financial guidance pretty material revenue from Qualcomm foundry business.

Intel hasn't given 2016 financial forecasts, but sure, that's why I started the sentence with "you'd start hoping...".
 

dark zero

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They do not have anything to compete with Kryo. However their current strategy is to compete on the low-end side with SoFIA and getting their modems into high-end aka iPhone. And even Broxton might get one or the other design win assuming Intel extends the counter revenue program.
They have Core M... Only they needs to force to use it on the IPhones to get some izombies to use it...And love Intel since it would be the heart of that device... Sadly for them, Apple has other plans...

The only way Intel can enter is:
- Go Heatsinkless
- Use FULL Windows 10
- Have a BlackBerry terminal design.
 

Sweepr

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The potential of Continuum is amazing:

Windows 10: A closer look at Continuum for Phones

Continuum for Phones is a feature Microsoft announced back in April, which essentially turns your Windows 10 smartphone into a desktop PC, allowing you to use a mouse and keyboard with apps scaled up as if they were running on a Windows 10 desktop. Since the announcement however, Microsoft hasn’t really shown off the feature in detail. Luckily, I recently had the opportunity to take a closer look at Continuum for Phones, and from it have gathered a few first impressions.

www.winbeta.org/news/windows-10-a-closer-look-at-continuum-for-phones

Intel and Microsoft should step up and provide a full desktop experience to x86 phones. As soon as next year Broxton will offer 4x Goldmont cores and a Gen 9 iGPU inside phones, this chip will replace both Moorefield and Cherry Trail as a single phone/tablet solution. Perfect product to allow something like this.

There were rumours about an Intel based Surface phone a while ago.
 

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The potential of Continuum is amazing:

I fail to see the appeal. A mid-range phone and notebook combo will offer you a better experience than a phone with a display and keyboard. Somehow I fail to understand the argument that 1 computer is better then 2. it's not even a great cost saver, it doesn't provide improved mobility.

Honest question, where do you see this amazing potential of this?
 

ehume

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Amusing. There is another thread about replacing computers every 20 years. Now we are stepping backwards. Are phones as good as computers were, 20 years ago?
 

Sweepr

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I fail to see the appeal. A mid-range phone and notebook combo will offer you a better experience than a phone with a display and keyboard.

1 mobile device that you could take anywhere (like any other phone) and has the capability to power a desktop, getting the job done fine for people that only do web browsing, office and casual gaming (preferably with a proper docking station at home/work, +mouse/keyboard/display of course). Just because a 2-device approach offers a better experience that doesn't mean there's no room for an innovative product like this.

Hate to defend smartphones but we are doing things with them today we never thought possible a few years ago. Remmember a Broxton phone will be more powerful than a lot of low-end PCs out there.
 
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1 mobile device that you could take anywhere (like any other phone) and has the capability to power a desktop, getting the job done fine for people that only do web browsing, office and casual gaming (preferably with a proper docking station at home/work, +mouse/keyboard/display of course).

If you need to carry all the peripherals with you it makes it less mobile than a laptop.
If you have to "hope" the peripherals will be available to you in different locations it makes it unreliable.
If you use it only at your home, you might as well save the money of the dock (and maybe some on the phone) and invest it in a compute stick (or similar cheap box / used PC...) or save the money for the monitor, dock, mouse and keyboard and spend it on a super cheap notebook/chromebook, this way your kids can play angry birds and you can have your phone while spending about the same amount.

Just because a 2-device approach offers a better experience that doesn't mean there's no room for an innovative product like this.

I asked you where you see this amazing potential and didn't get a concrete answer. What you describe is a cool niche, not something with amazing potential.

Hate to defend smartphones but we are doing things with them today we never thought possible a few years ago. Remmember a Broxton phone will be more powerful than a lot of low-end PCs out there.

Any SoC performs better when it's not thermally constrained, by squeezing a PC into a phone you aren't doing it any favors (performance wise).
 

Sweepr

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If you need to carry all the peripherals with you it makes it less mobile than a laptop.

It is not meant to replace laptops neither a proper desktop, I see it as a way to expand the capability of current smartphones, to the point where you could do some actual work with one of them.

If you have to "hope" the peripherals will be available to you in different locations it makes it unreliable.
If you use it only at your home, you might as well save the money of the dock (and maybe some on the phone) and invest it in a compute stick (or similar cheap box / used PC...) or save the money for the monitor, dock, mouse and keyboard and spend it on a super cheap notebook/chromebook, this way your kids can play angry birds and you can have your phone while spending about the same amount.

You would need a monitor, keyboard and mouse with the compute stick or any small form factor desktop as well. And you can't use either of them as a smartphone when you are on the go, away from home/office.

I asked you where you see this amazing potential and didn't get a concrete answer. What you describe is a cool niche, not something with amazing potential.

The extra flexibility something like this provides has amazing potential for some people, even if it doesn't replace the more expensive desktop + phone (2-device) solution.


Any SoC performs better when it's not thermally constrained, by squeezing a PC into a phone you aren't doing it any favors (performance wise).

I'm pretty sure thermally constrained Broxton will still be better than some BT and older Atom/Bobcat/Jaguar devices devices a lot of people are still using. Not a powerhouse, but enough to do the basic stuff. All of this is hypothetical given the current limitations of Continuum anyway.
 
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Thala

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The extra flexibility something like this provides has amazing potential for some people, even if it doesn't replace the more expensive desktop + phone (2-device) solution.

I fail to see the potential. I can not imagine a situation, where i surprisingly would have a monitor, mouse and keyboard without having at least a tablet device with me, such that i would be forced to use my phone with all thermal constraints.
That is not amazing but extremely niche at best.
 

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It's just my oppinion, I'm fine if others don't agree. I think it's one of the most interesting smartphone innovations from the last few years.
 

Thala

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If this would be Microsofts vision, they would have scrapped Windows Mobile and put just Windows on everything.
I would have been completely fine with Windows RT on high-end Windows Smartphones. Essentially having the Windows 8.1 Metro UI on phones and having the option to swap to desktop when a larger screen is connected.
 
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dark zero

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I fail to see the potential. I can not imagine a situation, where i surprisingly would have a monitor, mouse and keyboard without having at least a tablet device with me, such that i would be forced to use my phone with all thermal constraints.
That is not amazing but extremely niche at best.
That's why the only real way that Intel wins is entering by only the Blackberry structure way. Keyboard and trackpad.
 

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If continuum was completely wireless, and I had miracast on my home and work monitor, and bluetooth mouse/keyboard, it would be pretty amazing.

As it is, I would need those stupid docks and 2 new sets of mouse/keyboards, so it's not so much amazing.

To be on topic, Wintel will have to wait some more to get this particular market niche cracked.
 

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I fail to see the potential. I can not imagine a situation, where i surprisingly would have a monitor, mouse and keyboard without having at least a tablet device with me

Of course you can't imagine the situation, you're a techie, a power user. Imagine that you only use software that doesn't require much power. You browse the web, edit documents, play games with low requirements, that kind of stuff. You want to do it at home on your big screen, and when you're only with your phone you want to be able to access the same docs. Why would you want more than one device? It's a lot easier to just have the same device, no need to sync anything, copy anything, you already have all the software you need installed right on it, it just needs to use a different interface. If you hear about a new desktop utility while you're with just your phone, you can just download and install it. If you want to browse the app store with a mouse and keyboard and install stuff that way for use on the go, you can. It's seamless.
 

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I wouldn't consider someone who uses at tablet a techie. My mom uses a tablet and has never had any interest in "real" computers in her life. I can't stand tablets (and smartphones) personally, touching things with your fingers seem like an idea meant for kids and non-techies - lol. Will hopefully avoid them forever and stick with old laptops with real keyboard buttons.
 

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Dell Venue 8 Pro's successor coming soon, important upgrades:

Atom x5-Z8300 Cherry Trail (up from Atom Z3470D Bay Trail)
*12 EUs iGPU Gen 8 vs 4 EUs iGPU Gen 7
Up to 4GB RAM (up from 2GB RAM, and the previous model was limited to single-channel)
Windows 10 64-bit (up from Windows 8.1 32-bit)
Optional Full HD IPS screen (up from HD IPS screen)
Optinal 3D depth camera and 4G LTE connectivity





www.giga.de/tablets/dell-venue-8-pr...5-windows-10-tablet-mit-intel-atom-x5-geleakt
 
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Official now:

ASUS Transformer Book Lineup Bolstered With T100HA and TP200SA Models



The T100HA moves to Intel’s Cherry Trail Atom lineup which is the new 14 nm version of Atom. We first saw the x7 version of this in the Microsoft Surface 3, and ASUS is going with the quad-core x5-Z8500 model. The four cores have a base frequency of 1.44 GHz and a burst frequency of 2.24 GHz. The Scenario Design Power of this SoC is slightly lower than its x7 brother at just two watts. Graphics are Intel’s Gen 8 graphics with 12 execution units, and a frequency range of 200 to 600 MHz. This should be a pretty nice bump in performance over the outgoing Bay Trail model, and the 14 nm Atom should also increase battery life. ASUS claims that T100 can now get up to 12 hours on a single charge.

The tablet features an IPS display, and here it drops a bit of resolution over the old model but it also moves from a 16:9 to 16:10 aspect ratio, with the new model featuring a 1280x800 resolution. ASUS has also redesigned the keyboard dock, and the tablet now locks in with the help of neodymium magnets.

But I think where ASUS shows its strengths is the available storage and RAM, with the new model offering 4 GB of RAM and 64 GB of eMMC storage as the only option. For the price of $299, the 10.1-inch tablet offers quite a bit of versatility and performance, and as is always the case with the Transformer Book lineup, the price also includes the detachable keyboard. Impressive stuff. The 1.28 lb tablet also features micro USB, micro HDMI, micro SD, and a USB Type-C port, albeit with just USB 3.0 speeds available, along with another USB 2.0 port on the keyboard dock.

Will be interesting too see if T100HA replicates the success of its predecessor. Looking forward to this and the Skylake-Y refresh of the UX305.

I don't understand why they chose the slower dual-core Braswell for the more expensive TP200SA. For $350 I'd expect an Atom x7 or a faster quad-core Braswell.


PC Sticks with Intel Cherry Trail chips coming soon



The MeegoPad T07 features an Intel Atom x5-8300 Cherry Trail processor, 2GB of RAM, and 32GB of storage. It supports 802.11b/g/n WiFi and Bluetooth 4.0, features a USB 2.0 port, HDMI port, microSD card slot, a micro USB port, and a headset jack. Gearbest and Geekbuying are taking pre-orders for the MeegoPad T07 for about $115.

MeegoPad also offers two more powerful models. Both the MeegoPad T05 and T06 feature Atom z5-8500 Cherry trail chips, 4GB of RAM, up to 64GB of storage, and the same ports found on the T07, with the addition of a USB 3.0 port. What sets the T06 apart from the T05 seems to be a 300 mAh battery in the T06, which should offer enough juice to keep the system running in the even to of a sudden loss of power (if you accidentally remove the power cable, for example), or while you unplug the PC stick and carry it to another display.

Shenzhen APEC Electronics also has product pages for the APM-D05i and APM-D05F, which have similar physical designs and specs to the MeegoPad PC sticks.

Up until now, most Windows-compatible PC sticks have feature Intel Atom Z3735F Bay Trail processors, up to 2GB of RAM and up to 32GB of storage. We’re expecting to see even more powerful models with Intel Core M chips in the future. But for now, it’s nice to see models with improved specs.

http://liliputing.com/2015/09/pc-sticks-with-intel-cherry-trail-chips-on-the-way.html


Chuwi Hi10 Cherry Trail tablet runs Windows 10 and Android 5.1



Chinese device maker Chuwi has been making dual OS tablets capable of running Android and Windows for a little while. Now the company has launched a new model sporting an Intel Atom x5-8300 Cherry Trail processor, Windows 10 and Android 5.1

The Chuwi Hi10 is available from AliExpress for about $250, and it has some pretty remarkable specs for a tablet that costs less than the price of an iPad mini 2.
Chuwi’s tablet is said to have a 10 inch, 1920 x 1080 pixel display, 4GB of RAM, and 64GB of storage. It has a microSD card reader for up to 128GB of removable storage. And the tablet has 2MP front and rear cameras.

http://liliputing.com/2015/09/chuwi-hi10-cherry-trail-tablet-runs-windows-10-and-android-5-1.html

Full Windows 10 / Android 5.1 10'' 1080p tablet with Cherry Trail (Atom x5), 4GB RAM and 64GB storage for $250, looks tempting.


New Dell Venue 8 Pro and Dell Venue 10 Pro will feature Cherry Trail too.

Ps: Can't believe this thread is 2 years old.
 
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I think Continuum is actually rather forward looking. I don't see it as very amazing now, but I think that type of usage will grow over the next 5 years or more. Unless I'm missing something computers will continue to become smaller, and use less power.
 

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Wonder if any of these will make their way into cell phones, running an x86 version of Windows 10 (alas somewhat modified UI) would be fantastic, then that would really mean multiple devices as one.

For tablets, I currently have a Z3740 Win tablet and it's not too shabby but now I wouldn't get anything lower than an X5 Z8500, the Z8300 uses single channel memory (12GB/s bandwidth), even my Z3740 uses dual channel memory (17GB/s bandwidth).
 
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There's also this very expensive smartwatch of $1800 that will have Intel inside, hopefully not Quark.
 

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MeegoPad also offers two more powerful models. Both the MeegoPad T05 and T06 feature Atom z5-8500 Cherry trail chips, 4GB of RAM, up to 64GB of storage, and the same ports found on the T07, with the addition of a USB 3.0 port. What sets the T06 apart from the T05 seems to be a 300 mAh battery in the T06, which should offer enough juice to keep the system running in the even to of a sudden loss of power (if you accidentally remove the power cable, for example), or while you unplug the PC stick and carry it to another display.
Those updated CHT MeegoPad units had better have a 64-bit UEFI like the Tronsmart ARA X5 unit.

I might give them another chance, and try one of their CHT Compute Sticks. I wonder about the pros and cons of the unit with the battery. Given the temps that those Compute Sticks get up to, I would fear having a Li-Ion battery in those temps.

I do kind of wonder if they added a fan, given the circular pattern of holes on the end. Either that, or they added a built-in speaker. A fan would be a lot more useful.
 
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