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Face2Face

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This article does a pretty good job of summing up why that doesn't make any sense: http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...-x3-wont-power-a.aspx?source=iaasitlnk0000003

Anyway, Windows Phone is dying off. Microsoft are more focused on their iOS and Android apps these days.

There have been rumors that INTEL has been testing their Core M series in phones as well. It could be a reality, but I would think overall performance would suffer due to TDP and thermal restrictions. Never mind the cost issue...
 

TeknoBug

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Anyway, Windows Phone is dying off. Microsoft are more focused on their iOS and Android apps these days.
hmm, it's actually starting to pick up more, more people are moving away from iPhones and are picking up Lumia (or alternative brand) if not Android and MS released a few new Lumias as well recently. Lack of apps is the only downfall so far that I've seen, my wife has one and I really like it and may move away from Android soon myself.
 

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There have been rumors that INTEL has been testing their Core M series in phones as well. It could be a reality, but I would think overall performance would suffer due to TDP and thermal restrictions. Never mind the cost issue...

That sounds... implausible. Where did these rumours come from?
 

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hmm, it's actually starting to pick up more, more people are moving away from iPhones and are picking up Lumia (or alternative brand) if not Android and MS released a few new Lumias as well recently. Lack of apps is the only downfall so far that I've seen, my wife has one and I really like it and may move away from Android soon myself.

The sales figures disagree with you:

Suffice to say, things aren’t going well for Windows phone. Apologists will point out that Microsoft is only implementing the strategy it laid out in July 2015 when it capitulated the smart phone market, and will further claim that there were no surprises here. But I find it remarkable how quickly Microsoft’s phone business has declined, going from next to nothing (10.5 million Lumias sold in Q4 2014) to literally nothing (4.5 million this past quarter) in just one year. Put another way, just 1.1 percent of all smart phones sold in the previous quarter were Windows phones. I think it’s time to call this one.
https://www.petri.com/paul-thurrotts-short-takes-microsoft-earnings-special-edition-2



http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/2...sales-may-mean-the-death-of-windows-10-mobile

Don't buy into Windows Phone at this point. It's doomed.
 

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Well there is already a z8700 phone sdk, z8700 is 2w sdp, core m is 3w sdp, they are not far away from each other.

True, but the Core M would throttle like crazy with only 3 watts power limit. Even at 6-ish watts and the Core M still throttles.
 

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Sorry Intel, but is toó late... Unless they enter with Windows Phone with Continuum. That would make a comeback
 
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To be fair, when bt came out we all agreed it was a good cpu that just needed more igp power, ct is just that.

Most of the problem was on notebook processors because of lower clocks.



From what have been seeing the tablet ones look good.



I do agree the delays where too much.

Dont speak for everyone. Between the two, I would strongly prefer more cpu power than igp. I mean, the cpu is so weak, you cant really utilize the increased gpu power.
 

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Honestly, I couldn't imagine the current generation of Core M in phones without the 4.5w TDP cut in half. If that was the case, it wouldn't compete very well against the current Apple A9, SD 820, and etc...

The biggest problem with Core M and Cherry Trail is they throttle big time when you look at them funny. Gaming on them... don't get me started.
 

Shivansps

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Dont speak for everyone. Between the two, I would strongly prefer more cpu power than igp. I mean, the cpu is so weak, you cant really utilize the increased gpu power.

Well BT was a OK cpu, too little igp, check the first pages of this thread. IGP was the weak point.

Personally i have a Z3735D tablet and i like the little thing, cpu alone can turbo for a very long time +1h, and when gaming it does not throttle, it just the turbos are disabled so its base clock. But it has just 1280x800 screen and a dead power controller so there is not battery indicator, so i was thinking about getting a Chuwi Hi8 Pro as replacement as they are dirt cheap and has some nice features, except for the UEFI32.

So when i look at the Z8300 looks good because it has a boost to the base clocks, Cherry Trail cant mantain base clocks?

Maybe Intel went too far on the first iteration of 14nm by adding 4 times the EUs and thats causes power problems and the cpu cant fully use it either. maybe it should have been 10.

Onda V919 Air seem to be running 64 bit uefi, finally...
 
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Shivansps

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Intel is still subsidizing tablets soo hard? on BT it took a while for tablet prices to drop below $100, now there is a lot of sub $100 Z8300 tablet, some of them very good equiped, and some even with full hd screens...

And Onda V919 Air Ch is unbelievable, thats the same price a got a 8" Z3735D 1280x800 tablet back in the day.
 
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Well BT was a OK cpu, too little igp, check the first pages of this thread. IGP was the weak point.

Personally i have a Z3735D tablet and i like the little thing, cpu alone can turbo for a very long time +1h, and when gaming it does not throttle, it just the turbos are disabled so its base clock. But it has just 1280x800 screen and a dead power controller so there is not battery indicator, so i was thinking about getting a Chuwi Hi8 Pro as replacement as they are dirt cheap and has some nice features, except for the UEFI32.

So when i look at the Z8300 looks good because it has a boost to the base clocks, Cherry Trail cant mantain base clocks?

Maybe Intel went too far on the first iteration of 14nm by adding 4 times the EUs and thats causes power problems and the cpu cant fully use it either. maybe it should have been 10.

Onda V919 Air seem to be running 64 bit uefi, finally...

I had one of the Winbook tablets (it is dead now because of a faulty mini-usb charger), and for the price, I thought it was a decent device as well. But I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. In the year I had it, there were plenty of times I wished the cpu was faster, but never even thought about the igpu. To be fair, maybe a better gpu will help where it felt the slowest, like loading intensive web pages, but I think that is primarily a cpu problem.
 

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I had one of the Winbook tablets (it is dead now because of a faulty mini-usb charger), and for the price, I thought it was a decent device as well. But I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. In the year I had it, there were plenty of times I wished the cpu was faster, but never even thought about the igpu. To be fair, maybe a better gpu will help where it felt the slowest, like loading intensive web pages, but I think that is primarily a cpu problem.

Maybe i was not clear, since i dont have a notebook, for the year and half i own this tablet im been using it for university work outside my home, things like pdf reading, Autocad 2014, Codeblocks, Netbeans/JDK, MS Office, etc...

And sure, i whould have liked to have better cpu perf, but then again its a tablet... the fact that i could do all of that even better than college computers (E-350) was already awesome.

Also did gaming in my free time, and belive me, that was the weak link.
Browsing was tricky, so it was youtube, for example youtube ran best on IE, and browsing Google was MT, and Firefox ST... Youtube on Firefox and Google where CPU-only for some reason, maybe because it was using HTML5, not really sure.

You could be also sure no ARM tablet, no matter how powerfull, could do that.

But CT now has a powerfull IGP and a weak cpu to drive it... its not really balanced, i think Intel went too far and hurt cpu perf in the process.
Still Z8300 looks good on sub$100 tablets compared to Z3735, no so much to Z3736s, altought the base clock may still play in Z8300 favor.
 
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dark zero

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BT was a crear generation. It was near Core performance... Sadly CT ruined all that advancement and to make it worse is expensive.

Kill me, but still I think that if nVIDIA ION didn't died due Intel greedness, would help even more now than that Intel chiamera to get better iGPU with less power, but ruining all of them in one shot
 
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Shivansps

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BT was a crear generation. It was near Core performance... Sadly CT ruined all that advancement and to make it worse is expensive.

Kill me, but still I think that if nVIDIA ION didn't died due Intel greedness, would help even more now than that Intel chiamera to get better iGPU with less power, but ruining all of them in one shot

Chuwi HI8 Pro and Onda V919 Air CH does not agree with you in the "expensive" part, back in the day 1280x800 Z3735 tablet where costing about $150 to $200, it took a while for price to get $100 and below, and sub $100 where complete crap, the first was Toshiba Encore mini....
And im petty sure Z8300 to be faster than Z3735 since it has higher base clock as well.

Nvidia Ion needed to die because Atom where moving to SoC
 

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Apollo Lake close to launch?

Intel Begins Landing Apollolake Support Within Coreboot

Intel engineers have begun landing support for the next-gen "Apollolake" SoC within Coreboot and support for the initial development board.

Apollolake (Apollo Lake) is Intel's 14nm SoC for low-cost PC/notebooks, and surely Chromebooks. Apollolake uses the Goldmont CPU core and Skylake Gen9 derived graphics. Apollolake is the successor to Braswell. Apollo Lake systems will be available later in 2016.

...More than likely this early Coreboot work around Apollolake is for reading support for next-gen Google Chromebooks. More details on Intel's Apollo Lake for Linux as they surface.

www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Apollolake-Coreboot

Braswell support was added late June 2015.


Meanwhile, Cherry Trail gets a new core stepping running at higher clocks.

Intel launches more Atom "Cherry Trail" SoCs

Two new Atom processors for tablets surfaced in Intel's product database. Atom x5-Z8550 and x7-Z8750 are quad-core systems on a chip, based on "Cherry Trail" design and manufactured on the latest 14nm technology. Similar to previously released x5-Z8350 model, the x5-Z8550 and x7-Z8750 have a new core stepping, that enables higher burst frequencies, and it fixes two GPU defects, described by Intel as "Alpha Blending and ASTC graphics errata". The chips also had the graphics unit re-branded to HD 400 on the Atom x5 series and to HD 405 on the x7 series. The Atom processors are now listed as launched in the Intel product database.

www.cpu-world.com/news_2016/2016021701_Intel_launches_more_Atom_Cherry_Trail_SoCs.html
 
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I saw those quad-core cpu's on the ark. Based on what you say about apollo lake and goldmont, it looks like next year might be change time for the hp stream. I got an 11" from the microsoft store in 1/15. This year it has the same innards. Looks like 1/17 will be the time to correct my mistake (go with stream 13 -- 11" is too small; I can live with the performance limitations).
 

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http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...rk-in-intel-corps-cellular-modem-efforts.aspx

Woah, the whole of Intel mobile (Atom + modem) just could not in any conceivably have been more disappointing and outrageous. Every single decision since the birth of Atom has been the worst possible one. Unbelievable.

* >5 year update cycle for Atom meant the total missing of the mobile revolution which required yearly timely updates.

* Complete inability to transfer Infineon IP in-house (14nm)

* Utter incompetence to put the Tick-Tock model into the Atom development

* Faling to maintain Moore's Law and their leadership position in driving its innovation forward (e.g. serial development of nodes vs parallel), the driving engine of the company

Cringe. Time for new CEO (I mean, he promised Intel would gain prominence in that space, but (t)he(y) completely failed), or what is wrong? Why can they only turn their enormous amount of R&D dollars (think 1.5x Apple) into good products and revenue in DCG?
 

dark zero

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Apollo Lake close to launch?

Intel Begins Landing Apollolake Support Within Coreboot



www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Apollolake-Coreboot

Braswell support was added late June 2015.


Meanwhile, Cherry Trail gets a new core stepping running at higher clocks.

Intel launches more Atom "Cherry Trail" SoCs



www.cpu-world.com/news_2016/2016021701_Intel_launches_more_Atom_Cherry_Trail_SoCs.html
Ok...
Ley Cherry Trail die. It was a dissaster from Intel and is burning more money than Bay Trail did at the same time.

And let Apollo Lake enter to the market. Seems to be definitely a buff on everything. Wondering if Intel makes an experiment and adds 32 MB of edRAM on their top chips or makes them an hexacore or gets up to 3.2 GHz. Any of them will be more than welcomed.
 
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