The Intel Atom Thread

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sontin

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Asus Transformer with Baytrail: 11h
Asus Transformer with Tegra 4: 16h.

Hm. D:
 

Roland00Address

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Asus Transformer with Baytrail: 11h
Asus Transformer with Tegra 4: 16h.

Hm. D:
Not useful information unless we know the battery sizes with dock and without dock.

If you do not know Asus is moving to smaller batteries inside their transformer docks.
 

piesquared

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Yes this soc is missing sata and pci e. The tablet version will not have those two features for they destroy idle power consumption, the laptop and desktop versions will have sata and pci e.

Yeah I thought it was missing. Kabini and Temash have both features in the SoC though with decent idle consumption.
 

sontin

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Not useful information unless we know the battery sizes with dock and without dock.

If you do not know Asus is moving to smaller batteries inside their transformer docks.

The Transformer with Tegra 4 has a 31whr and 16whr battery. I dont think that they will go down much more with Baytrail.
 

Sweepr

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So decent CPU performance in some tests as expected combined with embarrassing GPU performance. They probably needed to castrate GPU to get decent power numbers.
Am I missing something or is this SoC missing SATA and PCIe?

AMD just announced an 8W TDP APU with 66% of CPU performance of A4 5000 (the 15W TDP chip that you see the tablet oriented Z3770 beating more often than not in the CPU tests) and 60% of A4 5000 GPU performance... you can do the math yourself, this would put it slightly ahead (graphics) of a Bay Trail-T chip that's likely using quite a bit lower power under load. Hardly amazing GPU performance at <10W TDP levels from both x86 giants but far from embarassing.
 
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MisterMac

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One must not forget - all of this has happened in two product iterations after the decision to focus on mobile was made.


From competing to the top performer in certain scenarios.
While this doesn't gaurentee success in the commercial market(See Athlon days for a reverse) - if you still think it will matter in the long run that the GPU ... in THIS instance right now is not the best but decent GPU....

Well' i've got some investment oppertunities we need to talk about
 

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One must not forget - all of this has happened in two product iterations after the decision to focus on mobile was made.

This idea that Intel only recently decided to care about mobile doesn't make any sense to me, they marketed the first Z5xx series Silverthorne Atoms in MIDs and UMPCs and not just netbooks. That's the generation before Moorestown. They were pushing MIDs while most of the market looked back into confusion at the prospect of browsing the internet on a 4-5" handheld.

They may not have positioned them for smartphones and tablets, perhaps not knowing they'd take off like they did, but they were still trying to get them in devices that had similar power requirements. They're doing a great job with Silvermont but it's been a long iterative process to get to it.
 
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Sweepr

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Intel gave us about 2 hours of hands-on time with two reference-design tablets outfitted with 2.4GHz, quad-core Atom Z3770 processors and 2GB of DDR3L/1067 memory (one running Windows 8.1 and the other Android 4.2.2). The devices had 8-inch screens with a native resolution of 2560 by 1440 pixels. While Intel does not intend to bring these tablets to the consumer retail market, Walker said that they are representative of what Intel&#8217;s OEM partners will deliver later this year.

It came as no surprise that the Android version was capable of playing simple arcade-style games, such as the side-scroller Jetpack Joyride, but it was a revelation to jump into Valve&#8217;s multiplayer first-person shooter Team Fortress 2 on the Windows 8.1 version and experience relatively fluid gameplay on an 8-inch tablet.



www.pcworld.com/article/2048511/han...est-hope-for-tablet-relevance.html#tk.rss_all
 

piesquared

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AMD just announced an 8W TDP APU with 66% of CPU performance of A4 5000 (the 15W TDP chip that you see the tablet oriented Z3770 beating more often than not in the CPU tests) and 60% of A4 5000 GPU performance... you can do the math yourself, this would put it slightly ahead (graphics) of a Bay Trail-T chip that's likely using quite a bit lower power under load. Hardly amazing GPU performance at <10W TDP levels from both x86 giants but far from embarassing.

That's a <3W SDP for Temash. Bay Trail won't touch it in graphics, and that's on a process node advantage lacking both SATA and PCIe.
 

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I am very interested in the battle royale between Intel and the Arm manufacturers over the next couple years. Now for me. I would like to see a dockable tablet with KB, USB, and video out running Win 8 Pro to replace our laptops. Feel like we are still one gen away. But getting closer.
 

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That's a <3W SDP for Temash. Bay Trail won't touch it in graphics, and that's on a process node advantage lacking both SATA and PCIe.

It will come very close to this 8W TDP Temash with 60% of A4 5000's graphics performance in GPU tests, offering >50% better CPU performance most of the time and likely (much) lower idle and average power draw. Sounds like a winner for something that should fit 8-10'' thin and fanless W8.1/Android tablets to me.
 

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This and the fact that all thing being equal Jaguar has rougly
30% and 50% better IPC in integer and FP respectively.

Why is that particularly important? Isn't performance IPC * Frequency? Normally trying to run at a higher frequency is a power problem, but the early reports for Silvermont suggest that's not an issue here.
 

Abwx

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AMD just announced an 8W TDP APU with 66% of CPU performance of A4 5000 (the 15W TDP chip that you see the tablet oriented Z3770 beating more often than not in the CPU tests

Thanks to a 2.4ghz frequency both in ST and MT tests.
We ll see once verifiable testing environments are published
on diverse sites.
 

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That's a <3W SDP for Temash. Bay Trail won't touch it in graphics, and that's on a process node advantage lacking both SATA and PCIe.

Thats perfect - now we just wait for AMD to finish making drivers work for Android........


Hmm, wheres the design wins mr. amd lover?
 

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Why is that particularly important? Isn't performance IPC * Frequency? Normally trying to run at a higher frequency is a power problem, but the early reports for Silvermont suggest that's not an issue here.

I think what he means is, AMD has an easy free boost to come by simply adding a turbo in the next version.
 

Sweepr

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Thanks to a 2.4ghz frequency both in ST and MT tests.
We ll see once verifiable testing environments are published
on diverse sites.

So what, didnt the AMD guys once said that single thread performance is all about IPC * frequency (not just IPC)? We also dont know if Bay Trail-T manages 2.4GHz turbo with all 4 cores (or even 1 or 2 cores) @ load yet.
 

Abwx

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Why is that particularly important? Isn't performance IPC * Frequency? Normally trying to run at a higher frequency is a power problem, but the early reports for Silvermont suggest that's not an issue here.

In mobile turbo reduce the battery life , it s more of a marketing
feature for benchmarks purpose that an advatageous feature
for the user since reducing execution time by 40% imply increasing
comsumption by roughly 60% , hence the energy/task ratio is degraded.
 

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Thanks to a 2.4ghz frequency both in ST and MT tests.
We ll see once verifiable testing environments are published
on diverse sites.

That would be a valid concern if SoC power consumption wasn't still relatively low (2.5W at cinebench r11.5 multithreaded).
 

raghu78

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Baytrail has a very powerful CPU and a reasonably powerful GPU. the power consumption numbers are impressive. Silvermont is definitely faster than Cortex A15. Jaguar is a capable core but draws a lot more power. Also Kabini has no Turbo. AMD's Kabini/Temash are badly handicapped by the lack of aggressive turbo implementation. Silvermont has a very good Turbo implementation.

In Cinebench R11.5 single thread a 2.4 Ghz Silvermont matches a 1.5 Ghz Jaguar. Thats because Jaguar has a 128 bit FPU while Silvermont has a 64 bit FPU. Even in multithread Cinebench R11.5 the Baytrail chip would be running close to 2.4 Ghz as Intel would be using the GPU power budget aggressively.

For integer performance Jaguar can compete with Silvermont but only if it matches clocks. Without turbo Kabini has no chance. But the most important fact is Silvermont is doing all this at less than half the power of Jaguar. Thats the Intel manufacturing advantage which AMD can do nothing about.

AMD is going to find it very difficult. from servers to desktops to laptops and down to the tablets AMD just has no respite from the Intel juggernaut.
 
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piesquared

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No it sure doesn't. So far i'm not seeing ANY compelling advantage for this for practical usage other than stuttering in games, which isn't exactly something to be excited about. Comparable or better products have been on the market for some time already from an end user experience standpoint, this doesn't move the goal posts at all IMO.
 
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Sweepr

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The Tech Report measured 2W idle and AnandTech measured 0.8-1.2W for Z3770 running CB11.5 @ single-core. Are The Tech Report results just for the CPU or the entire device?
 
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