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mikk

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S800 is going into phones all over the world and s600 is middle segment now.


It might go into a phone but it's throttled down. Power consumption would be way too high for a smartphone.
 

Khato

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The bt phone variant is going to have worse gpu performance than s600.
I forget, what GPU is Merrifield using?

Armv8 is here and a57 a53 derivatives from qualcomm and others is comming h1.
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There is no need to talk about next version. Look at arm progress its going freaking fast. It needed to be now.
ARM progress is fast? Aren't they still on roughly a 2 year cadence for major iterations on their core designs?
 

Imouto

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The snapdragon 800 is primarily a tablet chip - there are no phones in the US using the snapdragon 800. LG is rumored to be working on a snapdragon 800 phone, so that makes a grand total of ONE PHONE for the snapdragon 800. And I don't think that one is being released in the US although I could be wrong.

You're wrong but that's no news for you. The LG Optimus G2 has a S800 on its belly, the S4 will have a S800 variant, Sony Xperia Z1, Xiaomi Mi3 and others.
 

Vesku

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It's not as amazing as some people thought it would be from the preview slides but it will make for some nice Windows x86 tablets and there should be plenty of models to choose from. Intel has pretty much everyone but Qualcomm, in the categories where Qualcomm is actually used, beat when it comes number of OEM designs they can get into.
 

Sweepr

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GPU performance took quite a hit on the LG G2 (vs reference design):



Watching the fans of a certain company trying to mock every Intel/NVIDIA offering in the phone/tablet space is pretty funny. I'm not talking about Qualcomm fans.

Can we please not do the meta commentary?
-ViRGE
 
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Ventanni

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Dang, I wasn't quite expecting the INT/FP performance to improve so drastically. Intel really developed a nice product here. It's graphical performance is still leagues behind AMD, but I rarely play games on phones/tablets anyways (desktop tower wut wut!). I'm sure this'll be a great product in a nice W8 tablet.
 

krumme

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It might go into a phone but it's throttled down. Power consumption would be way too high for a smartphone.

No. Read the anand test. Eat the facts.

Its going into samsung s4 variant. Note 3. Sony, Nokia, and even the likes of Honami and Lenovo.

Get real guys. Separate cpu performance from market success. Its not like that any more.

Even talking functional qualities, the s800 have huge qualities besides perf/power. And its more than modem part.
 

blackened23

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Wellcome to fall 2013 and the big world with +6b humans
What about doing some fact checking yourself here at anandtech
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7251/lg-g2-and-msm8974-snapdragon-800-a-quick-look
S800 is a very lean and power efficient soc. More so than s600. But 30-50% higher performing.
Stop dreaming. S800 is going into phones all over the world and s600 is middle segment now.

Oh, here's your selective memory once again conveniently forgetting that BT decimated the S800 in every CPU benchmark. It's the total package to look at - intel can improve graphics but they single handedly destroyed every ARM SOC in existence in terms of CPU performance in a similar power window. Wait. What's the next goal post. What's the next selective memory. Let's just ignore CPU benchmarks. Let's just throw out there that S800 is 30-50% higher performing when reality shows the BT destroying it in terms of CPU performance. I know you're dying to tell us which AMD chips are going to dominate the mobile market so you should just get it out of the way. Live or die for AMD, right.
 
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SiliconWars

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S800 appears to have a slight win in Vellamo and Browsermark, and we've seen it very close in Geekbench as well. Intel is doing very well in the single threaded javascripts tests though as we suspected, and that's where the gap is. On the flipside the S800 has a big lead in graphics.
 

SiliconWars

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Oh, here's your selective memory once again conveniently forgetting that BT decimated the S800 in every CPU benchmark.

You really need to look harder. Intel is winning all the single threaded browser benchmarks but is basically drawing the actual CPU benchmarks.
 

monstercameron

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Oh, here's your selective memory once again conveniently forgetting that BT decimated the S800 in every CPU benchmark. It's the total package to look at - intel can improve graphics but they single handedly destroyed every ARM SOC in existence in terms of CPU performance in a similar power window. Wait. What's the next goal post. What's the next selective memory. Let's just ignore CPU benchmarks. Let's just throw out there that S800 is 30-50% higher performing when reality shows the BT destroying it in terms of CPU performance. I know you're dying to tell us which AMD chips are going to dominate the mobile market so you should just get it out of the way.

at a higher freq and power consumption...
 

SiliconWars

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Do you realize that some scores are much lower? Have a look to 3dmark Ice Storm. Down from 19,6K to 14,7K. 3dmark Physics down from 14,8K to 8,5K.

Do you think that Silvermont in phones won't be cut down drastically? Remember the S800 has LTE.
 

krumme

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What's Live or die for AMD, right.

I just want to present the facts you got wrong:
S800 is going into phones from all the players and got all the design wins
No its not primarily for tablets - its even with modem integrated
It uses less power than s600
Iris pro is 40 eu and not 20

Facts
 
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Performance isn't the only issue, the better ARM SOC's have more things integrated onto the SOC which means the PCB winds up being smaller and cheaper which makes for better designs and lower overall costs but this is a huge step forward for Intel in this space. Intel will make some head roads with this but won't come close to parity in the Android space in the next 6-9 months. The real question is what happens next year, if Intel can increment on a 12 month schedule to 14nm with some improvements on the graphics side and what happens with TSMC's 20nm planar and Snapdragon 800 sequels, ARM 57 etc. My suspicion is that TSMC 20nm won't meet their really aggressive announced schedule (hardly a surprise since they have a long history of making stumbles at process changes) and it is an open question at this point how effective 20nm planar will be without FinFET, Nvidia has been publicly bitching that 20nm planar is useless for almost a year which just isn't done, you don't bag out your fab unless you are REALLY unhappy. Intel will have to have a really pronounced advantage to make a lot of headway in Android land but Windows is obviously much more competitive with Bay Trail than it was Clover Trail vs the best of the ARM tablets.
 

blackened23

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GPU performance took quite a hit on the LG G2 (vs reference design):


Watching the fans of a certain company trying to mock every Intel/NVIDIA offering in the phone/tablet space is pretty funny. I'm not talking about Qualcomm fans.

My thoughts exactly.
 

piesquared

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Performance isn't the only issue, the better ARM SOC's have more things integrated onto the SOC which means the PCB winds up being smaller and cheaper which makes for better designs and lower overall costs but this is a huge step forward for Intel in this space. Intel will make some head roads with this but won't come close to parity in the Android space in the next 6-9 months. The real question is what happens next year, if Intel can increment on a 12 month schedule to 14nm with some improvements on the graphics side and what happens with TSMC's 20nm planar and Snapdragon 800 sequels, ARM 57 etc. My suspicion is that TSMC 20nm won't meet their really aggressive announced schedule (hardly a surprise since they have a long history of making stumbles at process changes) and it is an open question at this point how effective 20nm planar will be without FinFET, Nvidia has been publicly bitching that 20nm planar is useless for almost a year which just isn't done, you don't bag out your fab unless you are REALLY unhappy. Intel will have to have a really pronounced advantage to make a lot of headway in Android land but Windows is obviously much more competitive with Bay Trail than it was Clover Trail vs the best of the ARM tablets.

I'm not sure Nvidia's propaganda is an accurate account of the situation. They've been blaming TSMC for their own problems for several years. Most notably on 40nm.
 

Imouto

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Watching the fans of a certain company trying to mock every Intel/NVIDIA offering in the phone/tablet space is pretty funny. I'm not talking about Qualcomm fans.

Bet you're talking about the fans inside the Shield.
 
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