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monstercameron

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http://www.notebookinfo.de/artikel/...3770-fuer-windows-8-und-android-tablets/3995/


As for 3d performance here a new result.

Cinebench R11.5 32-Bit OpenGL – 5,84 fps

For comparison A4-1200 reaches 7.18 fps: http://tweakers.net/productreview/83223/medion-akoya-e1318t.html


So Z3770 19% slower than A4-1200 but considering that Intel doing worse in OpenGL than in directx it is expected. I don't know if 32 bit OpenGL scores in Cinebench 11.5 are worse than in 64 bit though, something to check.

I feel vindicated, I have been saying this for literally months now...
 

mikk

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You said Temash is 2xGPU which was clearly way off. People who said that z3770 should be roughly comparable to A4-1200 in 3d were pretty accurate.
 

monstercameron

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You said Temash is 2xGPU which was clearly way off. People who said that z3770 should be roughly comparable to A4-1200 in 3d were pretty accurate.

please link me to where I said 2xgpu...all my quesstimations where based on the numbers out there in the wild...
 

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You have to search for your own postings. 19% is nothing in this class. Z3770 should be much better suited for games than the A4-1200 due to its better CPU which is a big bottleneck usually for such devices, just have a look to A6-1450.
 

monstercameron

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You have to search for your own postings. 19% is nothing in this class. Z3770 should be much better suited for games than the A4-1200 due to its better CPU which is a big bottleneck usually for such devices, just have a look to A6-1450.

I did and couldnt find where I said 2xGPU...also I didnt say which would be better for games...just that the a4-1200 would have a better gpu...

as for better gaming experience [windows metro games? older games? casual games?]...the a4-1350 seems pretty good with a 300MHz gpu...that would be closer to 2xGPU

feeling good about the asus x102ba...but the user would have to buy an ssd...
 
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Shivansps

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Until we see some actual games benchmarks in a direct comparison is useless to argue about, i think it will close to the E-350/Dual Temash, but i expect a Quad Temash to be better.

Still none of them are suited for games, and its probably that both the Temash and the BT will be able to play the same games at similar resolutions/details, with Quad Temash taking a small lead.

Still we know the prices of Temash? the A4-1250 is selling for the same price range we can expect a 2955U, that to me is a big no-no for every Temash out there, i have my dubts about Kabini vs C Haswell, but DUAL Temash VS C Haswell? no chance.

With that in mind, the BT seems to be in a lower sector than Temash too.
 
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just saw the asus x102ba priced at $661 in ebay. hopefully that is not the official price..
 

monstercameron

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Until we see some actual games benchmarks in a direct comparison is useless to argue about, i think it will close to the E-350/Dual Temash, but i expect a Quad Temash to be better.

Still none of them are suited for games, and its probably that both the Temash and the BT will be able to play the same games at similar resolutions/details, with Quad Temash taking a small lead.

Still we know the prices of Temash? the A4-1250 is selling for the same price range we can expect a 2955U, that to me is a big no-no for every Temash out there, i have my dubts about Kabini vs C Haswell, but DUAL Temash VS C Haswell? no chance.

With that in mind, the BT seems to be in a lower sector than Temash too.

that is like saying that the tegra 3/4 or snapdragon s600/800 cant game...
 

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3.5W/h on their web browsing battery test for the Z3470 equipped T100.

Interestingly the review lists earlier "FFRD Data" that includes the Z3770, so A4-1500 and Z3770 are pretty close with the Kabini probably having stronger graphics (no graphics data listed there for Z3770). Pretty interesting how close they match up outside of power use, which is governed mainly by their differences in fabrication nodes.
 
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Shivansps

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The problem with that review it does not seem to be taking intro consideration the $250 Haswell equipped Chromebooks on the way, like Acer C720.

Did they say 128-bit wide LPDDR3-1066???? BT has dual channel?! i trought it was 64 bit only.
 

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The problem with that review it does not seem to be taking intro consideration the $250 Haswell equipped Chromebooks on the way, like Acer C720.

Did they say 128-bit wide LPDDR3-1066???? BT has dual channel?! i trought it was 64 bit only.

To be fair, that chromebook has no IPS touchscreen, detachable keyboard, windows, and is likely more cheaply built as well, knowing Acer..
 

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To be fair, that chromebook has no IPS touchscreen, detachable keyboard, windows, and is likely more cheaply built as well, knowing Acer..
also the battery life wont be any better...we are talking celeron level crippled haswell.
the only advantage would be slightly higher single threaded performance and a better gpu...
 

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Yeah, but the price is way too good to ignore taking intro consideration its a 2955U with 11.6", 4gb and a 16GB SSD... Im quite suprised of the 2955U prices, its stepping intro BT and Temash product prices. (but i expect BT convertibles to be expensive anyway).
 
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T100 sounds great to me. The only comparable AMD product I can think of is the Acer V5 122P, which is slightly larger, but has a worse CPU. And its more expensive.
 

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T100 sounds great to me. The only comparable AMD product I can think of is the Acer V5 122P, which is slightly larger, but has a worse CPU. And its more expensive.[/QUOTE]

the cpu isn't far off...
cinebench:

the a6-1450 get 0.25-1 [single-multi]
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the z3740 get 0.31-1.24 [single-multi], so it is hardly a world beater

and the gpu the amd part has that lock...

baytrail's battery life is much better though, also the acer has a better display and costs $50 more...
 

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Did they say 128-bit wide LPDDR3-1066???? BT has dual channel?! i trought it was 64 bit only.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7314/intel-baytrail-preview-intel-atom-z3770-tested

The memory interface is fairly ridiculous by mobile standards. You either get two 64-bit LPDDR3 channels (128-bit total width) or a single 64-bit DDR3L channel. In the case of the former, that’s the same memory bus width as Apple’s A5X/A6X line of SoCs as well as the standard Core i3/i5/i7 parts. Max supported memory frequency is 1066MHz in dual-channel LPDDR3 mode, or 1333MHz in single-channel DDR3L mode. The only benefit to the latter is really cost, as Bay Trail will purportedly show up in some very cheap devices.



Only two of the SKUs get dual channel, the Z3770 and the Z3740. The "D" models have single channel but run at 1333. The Z3680 also has single channel but runs at 1066.
 

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the cpu isn't far off...
cinebench:

the a6-1450 get 0.25-1 [single-multi]
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the z3740 get 0.31-1.24 [single-multi], so it is hardly a world beater

and the gpu the amd part has that lock...

baytrail's battery life is much better though, also the acer has a better display and costs $50 more...

I just cant figure out why it is impossible to buy an A4-5000 in a 11.6 inch chassis. I worry that the A6-1450 will be slow enough to be irritating.
 

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I just cant figure out why it is impossible to buy an A4-5000 in a 11.6 inch chassis. I worry that the A6-1450 will be slow enough to be irritating.
that is a very good question...also the a6-5200 would do great in such a formfactor if hungrier i3/5s can...

that aside, i am looking forward to anand's power testing...
 

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On the review is the 3dmark Physics and Graphics scores correct? it looks switched.

I'm not certain - it actually looks like it might be the case that they're correct and the Physics score is low due to the power management scheme keeping the GPU budget at maximum and giving the CPU cores the leftovers. It's hard to say without a further investigation as to how much power it's using... I wonder if the Intel Power Gadget works on Baytrail.

Regardless, it's quite interesting to see Silvermont at 1.86 GHz basically on par with the HP Chromebook 11's A15 at 1.7 GHz. And that battery life is pretty much exactly where it should be in one usage scenario at least even with Windows dragging it down.
 

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that is a very good question...also the a6-5200 would do great in such a formfactor if hungrier i3/5s can...

that aside, i am looking forward to anand's power testing...

I dont think its only based on power(it has been compared to a ULV haswell already?), the bad thing about the A6-5200 is that is the top of the line and while can give a fight to a I3 on CPU side thats petty much all about it, OEM can use the exact same design to offer the same product from a 2955U (that somehow is around a A4-1250 products prices, Dell Inspiron 11 3000 for example ) to any other Core IX-XXXXU incluiding the 28W ones with GT3, that cheap way of offer diferent configurations(you just solder a diferent processor) is not something you can get with a Kabini, where the options will be from a A4-1250 to a A6-5200... (but its just a wild guess by me)

14 and 15.6" are more standart and easier to work with, its not the first time OEM use cheap procesors to offer cheap models, it has been done with Bobcat and Atoms...

We gona have the exact same problem with BT... You gona see it a lot on convertibles, but 11.6" OEM seem to be going for Haswells.

btw, the Dell Inspiron 11 3000 has been said to have a AMD version, but so far only the Intel has show up.
 
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Ancalagon44

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I dont think its only based on power(it has been compared to a ULV haswell already?), the bad thing about the A6-5200 is that is the top of the line and while can give a fight to a I3 on CPU side thats petty much all about it, OEM can use the exact same design to offer the same product from a 2955U (that somehow is around a A4-1250 products prices, Dell Inspiron 11 3000 for example ) to any other Core IX-XXXXU incluiding the 28W ones with GT3, that cheap way of offer diferent configurations(you just solder a diferent processor) is not something you can get with a Kabini, where the options will be from a A4-1250 to a A6-5200...

14 and 15.6" are more standart and easier to work with, its not the first time OEM use cheap procesors to offer cheap models, it has been done with Bobcat and Atoms...

We gona have the exact same problem with BT... You gona see it a lot on convertibles, but 11.6" OEM seem to be going for Haswells.

btw, the Dell Inspiron 11 3000 has been said to have a AMD version, but so far only the Intel has show up.

Well, we dont know how much AMD or Intel sell their CPUs for.
 

monstercameron

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I dont think its only based on power(it has been compared to a ULV haswell already?), the bad thing about the A6-5200 is that is the top of the line and while can give a fight to a I3 on CPU side thats petty much all about it, OEM can use the exact same design to offer the same product from a 2955U (that somehow is around a A4-1250 products prices, Dell Inspiron 11 3000 for example ) to any other Core IX-XXXXU incluiding the 28W ones with GT3, that cheap way of offer diferent configurations(you just solder a diferent processor) is not something you can get with a Kabini, where the options will be from a A4-1250 to a A6-5200...

14 and 15.6" are more standart and easier to work with, its not the first time OEM use cheap procesors to offer cheap models, it has been done with Bobcat and Atoms...

We gona have the exact same problem with BT... You gona see it a lot on convertibles, but 11.6" OEM seem to be going for Haswells.

dont quite know why you keep mentioning chip prices but the amd parts are still cheaper...I dont have standard amd chip prices but here are g-sereis soc prices...

2955u $132 http://ark.intel.com/products/75608/

a6-5200 equivalent $102 http://www.semiconductorstore.com/G-Series-SoC/F/13/

so I am guessing standard editions will cost less, especially in bulk.
 
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