The Intel Atom Thread

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Imouto

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That's why batteries are calibrated and the 30% your device is displaying is actually a 30% of the stored energy remaining.

You're amusing.
 

Abwx

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That's why batteries are calibrated and the 30% your device is displaying is actually a 30% of the stored energy remaining.

You're amusing.

Stored energy and available energy are two different things.

Actualy the battery discharge rate is estimated by measuring
its voltage not its real charge.
 

SlimFan

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FYI, everyone needs to realize that when web browsing, the CPU is unlikely to be the only thing drawing power. In a computer, you typically have a display, drive, networking, etc... all of those pull power.

So if it can brows the web for 8.5 hours on a 31 watt-hour battery, and the math says that's an average draw of 3.5W, then that means the CPU/SOC only draws some fraction of that.
 

SlimFan

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FYI, I took delivery today of my own, personal T100 and am posting from it.

Benchmark requests?

It took me a little bit to find someone who would ship it for deliver today, rather than shipping it today. So far so good... of course the battery isn't fully charged yet, but IE/Chrome/Firefox/Minecraft seem to work okay. (The kids were begging .
 

Imouto

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Stored energy and available energy are two different things.

Actualy the battery discharge rate is estimated by measuring
its voltage not its real charge.
Dunno where you're from but devices with batteries come with a damn chip which does several measurements to ensure an even distribution of the stored energy. So a properly calibrated battery doesn't drain faster when it's closer to be empty.

Allowing the last 15% of your battery to last less than the first 15% after a charge is way too dumb. What do you think battery calibration is for then?

Stop making up arguments, please.
 

Abwx

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FYI, everyone needs to realize that when web browsing, the CPU is unlikely to be the only thing drawing power. In a computer, you typically have a display, drive, networking, etc... all of those pull power.

So if it can brows the web for 8.5 hours on a 31 watt-hour battery, and the math says that's an average draw of 3.5W, then that means the CPU/SOC only draws some fraction of that.

I dont dispute this , it s about the chinese site random
estimations that led our new member to estimate video PB
to be 7.5h without even noticing that just browsing is only 8.68h.
 

monstercameron

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FYI, I took delivery today of my own, personal T100 and am posting from it.

Benchmark requests?

It took me a little bit to find someone who would ship it for deliver today, rather than shipping it today. So far so good... of course the battery isn't fully charged yet, but IE/Chrome/Firefox/Minecraft seem to work okay. (The kids were begging .

minecrack? can you post video?!?

also for webbrowsing power draw, the bursty nature of intels design plays well with the intermittent workloads ei constructing page -> high load/turbo for a few seconds and rendering page -> low load/no-turbo for most of the time...
 
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Abwx

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Dunno where you're from but devices with batteries come with a damn chip which does several measurements to ensure an even distribution of the stored energy. So a properly calibrated battery doesn't drain faster when it's closer to be empty.

Allowing the last 15% of your battery to last less than the first 15% after a charge is way too dumb. What do you think battery calibration is for then?

Stop making up arguments, please.

Battery calibration as you call it is not accurate at all.
If measuring their output voltage was enough there wouldnt
be thermal probes sticked to each battery cell to detect the full
charge status when charged.

Edit : Whatever , the chinese site numbers are irrelevant
scientificaly speaking , nothing replace real measurements
given the complexe nature of batteries..

A must read :
http://www.mpoweruk.com/performance.htm
 
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Sweepr

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FYI, I took delivery today of my own, personal T100 and am posting from it.

Benchmark requests?

It took me a little bit to find someone who would ship it for deliver today, rather than shipping it today. So far so good... of course the battery isn't fully charged yet, but IE/Chrome/Firefox/Minecraft seem to work okay. (The kids were begging .

Congrats, great buy!
32GB or 64GB version? What is your impression of Bay Trail-T performance under Windows 8.1 right now?
 

Khato

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And what was the power comsumption for thoses perfs
to occur.??.

Strange that Anand made a ton of benchs but did
elude power comsumption tests wich would have showed
much bigger numbers than what was displayed at IDF ,
guess it would have been annoying to display such
oddities, hence the complete silence on the much
hyped power comsumption numbers.

Of course Anand's explanation for such simply must be a cover-up of the poor results, right?

Unfortunately ASUS delivered our T100 review sample less than 48 hours ago and I’ve been using it non-stop since then. I think I technically broke embargo by using it at a press event but it’s the only way I’d get enough time with the thing under my belt to feel comfortable writing about it. The bad news is that I only had enough time to provide a battery life teaser. I’m still running more data but for now all I’ve got is our WiFi web browsing test.

There was also a comment regarding the continued battery life testing in the live blog of the NVIDIA event.

10:01AM EDT - (Side note, I'm still testing video playback battery life on the ASUS T100 during the press conference)
 

Markfw

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Just a word to the wise... I have been lenient on this thread, but I am loosing patience. Keep the discussions on-topic and non-personal. Already one person here is vacationed, and more to come if the problems continue

And I don't want to hear about AMD in an Intel thread
 

386DX

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9 hours number is pure MSI marketing (''when reading ebooks or performing word processing'') , you cant compare this crap to retail Bay Trail-T PC numbers. ASUS also says T100 lasts up to 11 hours on a single charge, yet real life numbers are a bit lower (more like ~9 hours web browsing). Anyway, only fanboys would choose a chip with 1/3 of Z3740's MT CPU performance, thats why traditional PC OEMs chose Bay Trail-T for their x86 Windows 8.1 tablets.

Thanks for the numbers. According to MSI marketing W20's battery life is up to 6 hours when playing 1080p videos.

Actually it's worst... from MSI's own website the upto 9hrs is... drum roll...



Windows Idle, LMAO It's funny the fanbois are criticizing Anand's early Bay Trail battery life web browsing time of almost 9 hours by an independent 3rd party test on actual retail hardware as not accurate battery life; because it's not stressful enough. Yet they use a "review" which isn't even a review but a selective rehash of MSI's product info page as proof of AMD's superior battery life. The only real question now is the 9 hrs Window Idle time with the screen on or off! I'll bet it's off since the default Windows behavior on notebooks is to turn off screen, hard drive, etc after so many minutes of idle time.
 

Sweepr

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Trying to get back on-topic:

Intel CEO Takes Shot at Apple's A7

“If you take a look at things like transistor density and you compare, pardon the pun, apples-to-apples and you compare, say, the A7 to our Bay Trail, which is a high density 22 nanometer technology, then our transistor density is higher or more dense than the A7 is.” Krazinich said. ”It's a good product...but we do see the Moore's Law advantage from 28 to 22 nanometer as an example, when you compare dense technologies to dense technologies.”

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-ceo-apple-a7-cpu,24713.html

ASUS T100 Unboxing and Hands On

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGQySQ1JFnQ
 
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bullzz

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read that report earlier. one comment really sums it up

"Got to love the headline hype only to see mild, level headed responses to their own product."
 

liahos1

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so ive been playing with some w8.1 stuff on my ultrabook. I didn't really realize how much smoother/responsive ie 11 was vs chrome. id read a chrome hate thread on neogaf but never really understood why until I got back into ie. this browser is such a massive stepup from IE8 its not even funny. its too bad anand using chrome for all his testing as im going to be using ie on whatever baytrail or fanless haswell I end up getting. win 8.1 is such a fantastic os, haters be damned. I can't wait to find the right tablet for me now.
 
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SlimFan

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Not a benchmark, but I'm quite curious as to whether or not the Intel Power Gadget - http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-power-gadget-20 - works on Baytrail. While I know some will question its accuracy it'd at least give a good impression of SoC power consumption if it works.

I downloaded it, installed it, and it wouldn't launch. I set it as administrator, tried it with Windows 8 and Windows7 compatibility. So far no dice.

 

SlimFan

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Congrats, great buy!
32GB or 64GB version? What is your impression of Bay Trail-T performance under Windows 8.1 right now?

Thanks! I sure hope it was a good buy.

So far I'm in the euphoric stage where I'm happy with my purchase. Hard to give an overall impression when I just got it... so far nothing has felt or seemed slow, and nothing has crashed. So far so good?

Biggest problem was I downloaded Firefox from cnet ... and got spyware crap... had to unstall that. But after that, it's "all good."
 

SlimFan

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minecrack? can you post video?!?

also for webbrowsing power draw, the bursty nature of intels design plays well with the intermittent workloads ei constructing page -> high load/turbo for a few seconds and rendering page -> low load/no-turbo for most of the time...

That makes sense. So doesn't that mean the majority of the power draw is NOT the CPU? And therefore the "wow the SOC was >> 2.5 watts" comments are not accurate?

Oh, and I'm not sure I have the skillz to figure out how to record a video on a 3d game... let alone post it. I've somehow managed to avoid having a YouTube account after all of these years.
 

blackened23

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so ive been playing with some w8.1 stuff on my ultrabook. I didn't really realize how much smoother/responsive ie 11 was vs chrome. id read a chrome hate thread on neogaf but never really understood why until I got back into ie. this browser is such a massive stepup from IE8 its not even funny. its too bad anand using chrome for all his testing as im going to be using ie on whatever baytrail or fanless haswell I end up getting. win 8.1 is such a fantastic os, haters be damned. I can't wait to find the right tablet for me now.

It's pretty funny, Chrome started as a lightweight browser with minimal resource usage. That has changed so drastically over the past year or so, chrome is an absolute bloated pig now.

That said, it's still my favorite browser . EXCEPT on mobile devices. It's the worst android browser, for some reason, which makes no sense. But on my desktop it's chrome and nothing but. I have not tried IE11 on Win 8.1 yet, though. Haven't been a fan of IE at all, but I guess i'll give it a shot later. /tangent

Anyway, slim, how "snappy" does the system feel overall? When opening something like chrome or IE?
 
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liahos1

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It's pretty funny, Chrome started as a lightweight browser with minimal resource usage. That has changed so drastically over the past year or so, chrome is an absolute bloated pig now.

That said, it's still my favorite browser . EXCEPT on mobile devices. It's the worst android browser, for some reason, which makes no sense. But on my desktop it's chrome and nothing but. I have not tried IE11 on Win 8.1 yet, though. Haven't been a fan of IE at all, but I guess i'll give it a shot later.

i'm not a massive browser snob or anything but the "buttery smooth" and super low latency responsiveness of ie 11 is really unreal vs chrome. the scrolls are butter. the other think I like is the browser bar is on the bottom. which is sort of how I hold my tablet.

on my htc one chrome is a complete disaster. there has to be some bug with it because it drains my battery like crazy. I started using firefox for my phone.

sometimes I feel like the msft and intel hate is a conspiracy. these companies put out great product and get shat on all the time.
 

Khato

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I downloaded it, installed it, and it wouldn't launch. I set it as administrator, tried it with Windows 8 and Windows7 compatibility. So far no dice.


Thanks for trying! It's unfortunate that it doesn't work, but not terribly surprising since it only claims compatibility with Core.
 

podspi

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I really like IE11 in the metro UI, though in desktop mode I typically use Chrome.

I'm pretty satisfied with my Clovertrail tablet (though boo on Samsung for the shoddy build quality). For basic use the performance is already there imho. BT is just going to be gravy, performance wise (ignoring graphics performance of course).
 

SlimFan

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Anyway, slim, how "snappy" does the system feel overall? When opening something like chrome or IE?

Metro IE is instant. Firefox in desktop is 3-5 seconds to the start screen fully rendered. Chrome is an extra second or two (detecting proxy... letting AdBlock Plus start ... ).

Chrome is maybe 3 seconds to a fully rendered espn.go.com. Zero lag on scrolling. Maybe 2 seconds from clicking on a YouTube video until it starts playing. 1080p videos play just fine. IE espn is still ~3 seconds.

This is all Uverse @ 18Mbps and I typically have a decent connection where I live.
 

Shivansps

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I know blackened23 its gona hang me for this, but ill like to ask something that no one ever did so far, PC games, maybe a COD? Sins of a Solar Empire? Dirt3?, GRID2, Men of War? CIV5? Some of Egosoft X games like X3:Terran Conflict? they are all single threaded, RIFT(free mmo)? GW2? HAWX? im naming games ive played on the E-350, GW2 and X3:TC being bordeline unplayable because of CPU.
 
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