The Intel Atom Thread

[cbn]

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Packard-Bell-EasyNote-ME69BMP-Netbook.107624.0.html

Celeron N2805 test. Unfortunately with just 1,46 Ghz (no Turbo!) this thing is slow.

It did well in the PC Mark 7 tests, but in Cinebench R10 and Geekbench 3 it is roughly equal to A4-1200.

P.S. It looks N2806 with a clock listed at 2 Ghz (launched Q4 2013) is replacing N2805 (launched Q3 2013) as the bottom end notebook chip according to Intel Ark.

 

[cbn]

How does the "burst performance" work? Since Celeron N2805 is 1.46Ghz/4.3W, and Celeron N2806 is 1.60Ghz/4.5W, how often could the N2806 hit 2Ghz? If you're using 100% CPU, does it keep using 2Ghz until the temperature gets too high? By the name "burst", it sounds like it uses turbo in spurs like a wave going up and down between 1.6/2.0Ghz? Anyone know how much % of the time I will be able to hit 2.0Ghz? And how much percentage of the time the GPU can hit 756Mhz instead of the base 311Mhz? Any info about this would be interesting to read.

That is a good question and I wish I knew the answer.

The little Z3770 tablet chip (a quad core with a mere 2 watt SDP compared to the 2.5 watt SDP of the notebook N2806 chip) did extremely well though:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7314/intel-baytrail-preview-intel-atom-z3770-tested/3

Inside Android we can still see the CPU state table data and how long the cores are sitting in each performance state still, despite this now being managed in-silicon on Bay Trail. In addition Android sees the 2.39 GHz Z3770 boost frequency and reports it. I didn’t see any strange behavior on the device while running tests and watching CPU frequency, if anything the reference design platform stayed at the maximum boost frequency even with four cores plugged in for an impressive amount of time. Of course this is a tablet so there’s more TDP to play around with compared to a phone.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Possible Android version of ASUS T100 coming soon:

http://www.tabletsmagazine.nl/2013/...k-android-versie-van-de-transformer-book-t100

Unless it is significantly cheaper or also boots Windows 8.1 as well, who would want it? :hmm:

 

[386DX]

Unless it is significantly cheaper or also boots Windows 8.1 as well, who would want it? :hmm:

Agree there's no point for a consumer to pick up this device over any of the other Android Asus Transformer tablets that have better build quality and screens besides pricing.

However on a manufacturing and supply chain side this makes a lot of sense. Having two products essentially using the same components is a big cost savings that can't be ignored as margins for tablets (and phones) dwindled. This is another advantage that Bay Trail has over ARM right now, being able to run Windows or Android, RT doesn't count. A manufacturer like Asus can essentially produce one device put Android or Windows on it depending on demand. It's a safe strategy in case Windows starts to make headways in the tablet market. I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing more manufacturers producing one hardware model for multiple devices.

 

[cbn]

Unless it is significantly cheaper or also boots Windows 8.1 as well, who would want it? :hmm:

The ASUS T100 does come with Windows 8.1 and Office Home & Student 2013.

So the price reduction should be greater than Machines that just come with Windows 8.1 alone.

 

[Sweepr]

Lenovo Miix 2 Review: www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-Miix-2-8-Tablet.107505.0.html

A week old but one's posted here yet.

Also, very interesting Avoton (8 Silvermont cores) vs 4M/8C Vishera vs 4C/8T Haswell comparison (2.4GHz) @ PC Watch:http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/topic/review/20131221_628428.html

 

[Homeles]

Also, very interesting Avoton (8 Silvermont cores) vs 4M/8C Vishera vs 4C/8T Haswell comparison (2.4GHz) @ PC Watch:http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/topic/review/20131221_628428.html

Wow, Atom's IPC isn't terribly far off from Piledriver in those tests.

 

[SiliconWars]

Wow, Atom's IPC isn't terribly far off from Piledriver in those tests.

Wow, what an accolade!

Neither was Jaguar's 9 months ago.

 

[Sweepr]

Wow, Atom's IPC isn't terribly far off from Piledriver in those tests.

Yes, pretty impressive results for a 20W 8-core chip measuring 107mm². Each Silvermont core is tiny compared to Piledriver/Haswell cores - ~2.x mm² (minus L2).

 

[Roland00Address]

Wow, Atom's IPC isn't terribly far off from Piledriver in those tests.

In 2011, Intel was stating Airmont in the year 2015 will outperform the AMD phenom ii x6 in SPECint2000. For a reminder Airmont being the 14 nm architecture shrink of silvermont, silvermont is the cpu core architecture you see in bay trail (platform) atom tablets. After the 14nm shrink with airmont we will see a new architecture with Goldmont.

Piledriver is roughly the same performance as amd phenom ii for the same clock speed (comparing cpus with l3 cache vs l3 cache) with phenom ii being 0 to 10% faster for the same clocks.

 

[Shivansps]

I think Jaguar has a better IPC than Silvermont... Jaguar and Piledriver has around the same IPC?!

 

[mikk]

Piledriver has 4 modules/8 Bulldozer cores. Core scaling is vastly better on 8 core Silvermont which helps a lot. It's not an IPC test therefore.

 

[Homeles]

Wow, what an accolade!

Neither was Jaguar's 9 months ago.

It must get pretty tiring having to play damage control for AMD 24/7, Eyefinity.

I haven't seen a per-clock comparison prior to this test, so the results were rather interesting to me.

 

[SiliconWars]

It must get pretty tiring having to play damage control for AMD 24/7, Eyefinity.

No it's quite invigorating.

I haven't seen a per-clock comparison prior to this test, so the results were rather interesting to me.

Fair enough, I thought that most people were assuming this by now.

 

[FwFred]

Wow, what an accolade!

Neither was Jaguar's 9 months ago.

How about perf/W @ 2 GHz?

 

[Sweepr]

ASUS teases possible dual-boot Windows/Android device before CES 2014

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1frsVBzJVdM

Perhaps a new Bay Trail based system?

 

[Sweepr]

LG has Bay Trail tablets in the works

LG is getting back into the tablet game and it won’t just do Android tablets like the LG G Pad 8.3.

It also has a Windows 8.1 tablets powered by Bay Trail processors. However, information is still sketchy, although a few prototypes were imported into India over the last month or so.

The official model number is 11T, but apart from that there is really not much to go on. Two different prototypes were imported from China to India in November, based on Intel Z3770 and Z3740 processors.

It is unclear whether these are compact 8-inch devices like the G Pad 8.3, or 2-in-1s like the Asus T100. In any case LG has Bay Trail tablets in the works.

In addition, LG has a few Haswell hybrid prototypes based on Haswell ULV chips like the Core i5-4200U.

www.fudzilla.com/home/item/33514-lg-has-bay-trail-tablets-in-the-works

Dell Venue 8 Pro & Lenovo Miix 2 Review (@ NotebookCheck)

www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Venue-8-Pro-Tablet.107892.0.html
www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-Miix-2-8-Tablet.107505.0.html

 

[Sweepr]

Did Intel Just Win the Next Nexus 7?

There is a rumor going around that Intel (NASDAQ: INTC ) just won the system-on-chip socket for the next-generation Google (NASDAQ: GOOG ) Nexus 7. While this is unconfirmed, it is worth taking a deeper look into two fundamental questions:

How likely is it that this is true?
The rumor claims that Google, via its hardware partner ASUS, will be using one of Intel's Atom Z3000 series processors. In order for this to be plausible, the Z3000 chips need to be a significant leap ahead of the Qualcomm (NASDAQ: QCOM ) Snapdragon S4 Pro found in the 2013 Nexus 7. From a CPU power/performance standpoint, a quad-core Z3740 or Z3770 should be meaningfully faster than the current-generation Nexus 7. As far as graphics goes, the higher-end Z3000 chips should be faster than the Snapdragon S4 Pro but a bit behind the absolute latest-and-greatest Snapdragon 800 and its recently announced successor, the Snapdragon 805. From a technical standpoint, this makes sense.

However, what's more interesting is that the prior two Nexus devices have been designed and built by ASUS -- one of Intel's best partners in the PC space. If ASUS is hired to do the third-generation Nexus 7, this lends credence to this rumor. After all, while Google has the final say in what hardware ends up in this device, it is likely that Intel could have pushed very hard to win this deal.

More here: www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/12/26/did-intel-just-win-the-next-nexus-7.aspx#.Ur2STbTpWBS

 

[caswow]

money money money asus cheapest soc after tegra3

 

[North01]

Did Intel Just Win the Next Nexus 7?

There is a rumor going around that Intel (NASDAQ: INTC ) just won the system-on-chip socket for the next-generation Google (NASDAQ: GOOG ) Nexus 7. While this is unconfirmed, it is worth taking a deeper look into two fundamental questions:

How likely is it that this is true?
The rumor claims that Google, via its hardware partner ASUS, will be using one of Intel's Atom Z3000 series processors. In order for this to be plausible, the Z3000 chips need to be a significant leap ahead of the Qualcomm (NASDAQ: QCOM ) Snapdragon S4 Pro found in the 2013 Nexus 7. From a CPU power/performance standpoint, a quad-core Z3740 or Z3770 should be meaningfully faster than the current-generation Nexus 7. As far as graphics goes, the higher-end Z3000 chips should be faster than the Snapdragon S4 Pro but a bit behind the absolute latest-and-greatest Snapdragon 800 and its recently announced successor, the Snapdragon 805. From a technical standpoint, this makes sense.

However, what's more interesting is that the prior two Nexus devices have been designed and built by ASUS -- one of Intel's best partners in the PC space. If ASUS is hired to do the third-generation Nexus 7, this lends credence to this rumor. After all, while Google has the final say in what hardware ends up in this device, it is likely that Intel could have pushed very hard to win this deal.

More here: www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/12/26/did-intel-just-win-the-next-nexus-7.aspx#.Ur2STbTpWBS

I don't think it would be the Z3740 or Z3770. If I'm not mistaken the current Intel GPU doesn't offer support for OpenGL ES 3.0, which was a key feature with the launch of the 2013 Nexus 7.

A Merrifield SoC with a PowerVR 6 GPU might work.

EDIT: Sorry for any confusion, I was making reference to OpenGL ES 3.0 support for Android.

 

[liahos1]

I don't think it would be the Z3740 or Z3770. If I'm not mistaken the current Intel GPU doesn't offer support for OpenGL ES 3.0, which was a key feature with the launch of the 2013 Nexus 7.

A Merrifield SoC with a PowerVR 6 GPU might work.

when do these come out typically? Maybe intel could push a version of cherrytrail through? seems unlikely. I know that Baytraikl supports open gl es 3.0 in windows.

Maybe they could use this as a marketing point e.g. first 64bit android tablet with 64bit os.

 

[kimmel]

Did Intel Just Win the Next Nexus 7?

If true: Intel probably has Apple to thank for doing the 64 bit ahead of Qcom.

 

[North01]

when do these come out typically? Maybe intel could push a version of cherrytrail through? seems unlikely. I know that Baytraikl supports open gl es 3.0 in windows.

Maybe they could use this as a marketing point e.g. first 64bit android tablet with 64bit os.

Both the 2012 and 2013 Nexus 7 devices have launched in July, which is a little early for Cherry Trail (Sept.).

I should have been a little more clear, I was making reference to GLES3 support in Android.

"Intel is quick to point out that Bay Trail’s GPU supports DirectX 11 and OpenGL ES 3.0. Unfortunately this support list appears limited to Windows. Under Android, it’s unclear whether or not Bay Trail will ship with anything above OpenGL ES 2.0 support. The same goes for GPU accelerated Renderscript." Link - Anandtech

 

[bullzz]

bay trail doesnt offer a big jump over qcomm s4 in gpu performance. i think tegra 4 would have been a better fit. slower cpu but a much better gpu
if google wants to tout the 64 bit horn, they dont have a choice..

 

[Roland00Address]

The ASUS T100 does come with Windows 8.1 and Office Home & Student 2013.

So the price reduction should be greater than Machines that just come with Windows 8.1 alone.

Office is given via Microsoft at a reduced price (I heard free, you pay for the OS though) as well as reduced price for the OS via OEM licenses for anything with a 10.1 or smaller touchscreen for Microsoft is trying to gain marketshare against ipad or android.