Basically, it's expensive -- it's a ~$70 penalty to the OEM to implement on a Haswell device. I stumbled on this completely by accident, doing my normal PDF hunting while searching for information on Broadwell and the 9-series chipset.
It looks like he was talking about Intel 22nm vs the competition's 20nm.
And I've said, 22nm is denser than 28nm. Even on that chart you've posted, which is used in that video that you linked.I don't think so, even Intels slide says no density lead over TSMC, this is for Intel 22nm vs TSMC 28nm. This should change starting with 14nm.
Yeah, and it's not like Microsoft's hasn't done that in the past either.But there's zero hardware difference between devices compliant with 32 bit and 64 bit connected standby enabled windows 8.1. The 'hardware differences' that have been gating deployment are typically called drivers. It's Microsoft's way of saying that they're good despite the fact that it's still a software issue.
But there's zero hardware difference between devices compliant with 32 bit and 64 bit connected standby enabled windows 8.1. The 'hardware differences' that have been gating deployment are typically called drivers. It's Microsoft's way of saying that they're good despite the fact that it's still a software issue.
Intel is responsible for those drivers, not Microsoft so while it's a software issue, it's waiting on Intel.
... uh huh, sure, Intel's responsible for the entire connected standby ecosystem? I guess technically they are though, because if Intel doesn't hand-hold/push all the other parties involved then it'll never get done. After all, having the drivers ready and waiting for their own silicon doesn't matter in the least if none of the other manufacturers that have silicon in the system can't be bothered.
Intel has had finished code on this from MS from early Dec, it's been in Intel's lap since then and it's moving at a snails pace. I'll be shocked if Intel delivers before April at the rate they are going on this.
The M350 is a nice looking case:
CNET said:Intel's quad-core Atom processor will come to Android tablets in the second quarter, CEO Brian Krzanich said Thursday during a quarterly earnings conference call with analysts.
"Most of the Bay Trail Android tablets really start showing up more in Q2...remember we made a shift, the original program for Bay Trail was all Windows," he said during Intel's fourth-quarter earnings conference call.
He went on to explain that there was a shift mid-stream to Android, thus the delay in Bay Trail Android tablets. [...]
Brian Krzanich (Intel CEO) said:[Device makers] who build with our products now can already go out and start to utilize 64-bit. We are out there working with the OSs, all of the OSs and the OEMs to go enable that. The real usages...are going to be in those high compute areas, things like video, things like media, transfer media manipulation. All the classic things around computing that you saw drive the compute cycles on PC and people are doing more and more with tablets and phones or that will be the same things that drive 64-bit utilization on these mobile devices.
anyway, dual core bay trail should be available for desktop soon right? it should be painfully slow compared to ivy/haswell Celeron, but I think you can't get ivy Celeron+MB for "sub $60".
CEO and CFO on contra revenue:
Christopher Danely - JPMorgan
Great and for my follow-up I guess it's kind of on that question. So on the tablet strategy to get the 40 million youre saying it's going to be a 1.5 percentage hit. Lets say you guys get into the second half of the year and youre not quite to the 40 million if it's a pretty significant short fall. Would you consider canning that strategy I guess Im just wondering what the commitment is if the volumes arent there but the cost is there by the end of the year?
Brian Krzanich - Chief Executive Officer
Sure. This isn't a price reduction as normal price reduction would be; it's not where you are just simply reducing. It's truly a BOM cost equalizer and remember a lot of our 40 million tablets in 14 will be based on Bay Trail. Bay Trail was originally designed for Avoton-based PC segments and the upper end tablet. And so its what we are doing here is doing a BOM cast delta relative to the, what the mid and lower end tablets require. And so those are things like Bay Trail may require more layers of a printed circuit board for the board itself, more components on the board and tighter power management controls and things like that. We have a whole program to reduce those throughout the year. So that gives us confidence that as we go through the year, the BOM cast delta will shrink, but if the volume didnt show up for some reason and I am not going to say that, thats whats going to happen, but I am confident it will, but if it didnt its on a per unit basis. And so the spending on that contra would be reduced equivalently.
Stacy Smith - Chief Financial Officer
And I would just add as Brian said we are doing a lot of enabling across the industry to take the BOM cast out in equivalent. These are costs at the system level not at our chip level and it will vary a lot by SKU, but to give you a sense for a Bay Trail platform from the beginning of the year to the end of the year we think that, that BOM penalty drops by more than half. And so it kind of gets better out in time. And then when we get to the Broxton generation we think its de minimis.
Brian Krzanich - Chief Executive Officer
Yes, both Broxton and SoFIA are just specifically designed to eliminate that delta.
Christopher Danely - JPMorgan
Got it. Okay, thanks a lot guys. Thats very helpful.
Brian Krzanich - Chief Executive Officer
Sure.
Stacy Smith - Chief Financial Officer
Thanks Chris.
Edit; Source: http://seekingalpha.com/article/195...sses-q4-2013-results-earnings-call-transcript
You can only ask 2 questions, so a 3rd probably wouldn't be answered. I guess the 'backup plan' is Cherry Trail and Willow Trail, but especially 14nm SoFIA and Broxton.
Nexus 8 might have Bay Trail inside: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20140120PD216.html
Let me save this to quote you on Kaveri release
You can only ask 2 questions, so a 3rd probably wouldn't be answered. I guess the 'backup plan' is Cherry Trail and Willow Trail, but especially 14nm SoFIA and Broxton.
Nexus 8 might have Bay Trail inside: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20140120PD216.html
Looks like he called it.