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Sweepr

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New Bay Trail-M chips on the way

C0 stepping:

1. Improved robustness of USB3 wake after D3
2. Improved USB2 charging capability to support higher current.
3. USB2 reference clock improvements to reduce corner case stress scenarios.

Celeron N2807 2C / 2T 1.58 GHz - 2.17 GHz
Celeron N2830 2C / 2T 2.17 GHz - 2.42 GHz
Celeron N2930 4C / 4T 1.83 GHz - 2.17 GHz
Pentium N3530 4C / 4T 2.17 GHz - 2.58 GHz

www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014022...30_more_Bay_Trail-M_chips_are_on_the_way.html
 
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Should be more interesting than CES at least (and Exynos Infinity). We'll see if there are any nice design wins.

CES was a disaster for Intel, lol...it'd BETTER be better! ;-)

I do look forward to the Merrifield launch. It's actually a pretty decent platform...but it really does need design wins.
 

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I do look forward to the Merrifield launch. It's actually a pretty decent platform...but it really does need design wins.

Hopefully we get some more info on SoFIA as well.

I am very interested to see how it compares to the lowest end mass market/pre-paid smartphones (ZTE Valet, Samsung Galaxy Centura, etc) which currently have these specs :

800 Mhz to 1 Ghz Cortex A5 (Sparrow) single core
512 MB RAM
4GB NAND Flash
320 x 480 resolution
3G radio.
 

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SanDisk Announces Optimized iNAND Extreme eMMC for Bay Trail



We've started looking more closely at the embedded storage used in smartphones and tablets, and have mostly come away disappointed. Thankfully there appears to be some progress being made in the space. I remember being relatively impressed with the behavior of the eMMC in Intel's Bay Trail FFRDs at their benchmarking event a week and a half ago. The IO performance wasn't perfect, but it was definitely much better than I had been expecting.

Today SanDisk announced that it will be bringing an optimized version of its iNAND Extreme solution to Bay Trail tablets. Architecturally iNAND Extreme is a combination of NAND and eMMC controller in a single package. The device supports eMMC 4.51 (HS200) and uses SanDisk's own 19nm MLC (2bpc) NAND. Capacities go all the way up to 128GB for a single device, which SanDisk arrives at by stacking 16 x 64Gbit 19nm MLC NAND die.

Sustained performance isn't too shabby. SanDisk promises sequential reads/writes of up to 150/45MBps and 4KB random read/write speeds of up to 4K/800 IOPS. I suspect these numbers are based on the largest configurations, but I would expect similarly good performance even for the 64GB and maybe even 32GB versions. The 4KB random write results are sustained, not peak, and are measured by looking at performance across a 1GB LBA range. In the case of the 128GB drive that test leaves a ton of spare area, which helps explain the relatively good performance compared to what we're used to in the market. I'd love to see true worst case scenario performance for SanDisk's iNAND. The promised sequential read performance is outstanding. We've seen mobile devices break the 100MB/s sequential read barrier, but none have hit 150MB/s yet. Sequential write performance is also pretty good.

The Bay Trail optimizations come via some custom tuning on the firmware. I suspect Intel has its own performance targets and behaviors it wants to encourage on Bay Trail tablets and SanDisk is likely just responding to those requests. You can also find iNAND Extreme on other, non-Intel platforms as well.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7347/sandisk-announces-optimized-inand-extreme-emmc-for-bay-trail

Computer Bottleneck said:
According to this link 800 IOPS works out to 3.125 MB/s.

If it actually works that good in the hands of testers it will be an improvement over the 4K random write scores in the Anandtech Nexus 7 article here.



With all of that out of the way, how does the eMMC solution in the new Nexus 7 stack up? Sequential read performance continues to be quite good for such a small/lower power device. Sequential write speed isn't terrible either. Even random read performance looks solid. It's random write performance that just needs work across the industry. We realistically need to probably be at 10x where we are today in random write performance, perhaps a bit lower if the storage makers can focus on IO consistency/minimum sustained IOPS.

......but even at 3.125 MB/s 4K random write it sounds like eMMC still has a way to go. (although Anand did make the caveat about IO consistency/mininum sustained IOPS.)

SanDisk iNAND Extreme eMMC 5.0 finally arrives--> http://www.anandtech.com/show/7790/...-2014-finally-a-good-emmc-solution-for-mobile

4K Random read: 6K IOPS
4K Random write: 3K IOPS (~12 MB/s of random write performance)

P.S. Glad to see that spec of 3K IOPS for Random write applies to the 16GB as well. Looking forward to seeing how this one pans out in the hands of testers.
 
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mikk

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But it needs hardware support as well, afaik Bay Trail supports only eMMC 4.4x.
 

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Some pictures from Intel's press conference:









Cherry Trail in late 2014 (Airmont CPU cores, 16 EUs Gen 8 iGPU), Broxton mid-2015 (Goldmont CPU cores, Gen 9 iGPU).
 

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Has anyone noticed that Merrifield only works with the XMM 7160? That means there is no WCDMA, nor TD-SCDMA. That effectively rules it out of American and Chinese markets.
 

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Has anyone noticed that Merrifield only works with the XMM 7160? That means there is no WCDMA, nor TD-SCDMA. That effectively rules it out of American and Chinese markets.
That and they didn't announce any design win with the larger handset makers. But it's no surprise (neither good or bad) for those following Intel mobile efforts.
 

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Merrifield failed yes. Only dualcore, the XMM 7160 drawbacks and it's too late.
 

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The first "64-bit" Bay Trail-T tablets:

HP ProPad 600 [no word on pricing - April release]

HP ElitePad 1000 [$739 - March release]

More information can be found here.

HP ElitePad 1000



Based on the new Bay Trail-T Atom Z3795 chip.

HP Elitepad 1000 Hands-On: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xEaWojvcsM

Also from HP: X360 Convertible Laptop



Weighing 3.08 pounds and measuring 0.86 (H) x 12.12 (W) x 8.46 (D) inches, the X360 should be pretty easy to carry around. Wearing an 11.6-inch, 1366 x 768 display, the X360 is powered by one of two Intel Bay Trail processors, depending on which configuration you opt for: the Intel Pentium N2820 clocked at 2.13 GHz, or the Intel Pentium N3520 running at 2.17 GHz. RAM can be had in 4GB or 8GB amounts, while the hard drives available with the X360 range from 320GB, 5,400-rpm mechanical units, to a hybrid drive that combines a 500GB, 5,400-rpm disk with 8GB of flash storage.

www.digitaltrends.com/computing/hp-...26/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

$100 cheaper than the Lenovo Yoga 2. Lot of affordable and interesting Bay Trail convertibles out now or launching soon.
 

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It's a shame that Cherry Trail is now Q4 instead of the expected Q3. Also strange that nothing is said about Willow Trail, which was supposed to be the Q4 gen9 Goldmont successor to Airmont Cherry Trail; the Tock after the Airmont Tick. So apparently Goldmont won't be pushed into 2014 anymore, unlike earlier reports. Good to hear that Broxton (= Willow Trail in a design that lets Intel respond and release new products quickly) it still mid-2015, though.
 

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Merrifield failed yes. Only dualcore, the XMM 7160 drawbacks and it's too late.

I'm not a big follower of modems, so could tell me what those drawbacks are?

But failed? Too late for what? And what's wrong with a dualcore? It's an SoC for phones, not desktops. I bet even a single core Silvermont will demolish those small and slow quadcore A7s. Quadcores are bottlenecked by thermal limits. Dualcores are ideal for phones. They allow superior single threaded performance while still having enough multithreaded performance for consumer workloads.
 

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I'm not a big follower of modems, so could tell me what those drawbacks are?
The lack of CDMA is the main issue. Quoting Ashraf Eassa:
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/02/03/is-intel-limiting-itself.aspx
7160 lacks TD-LTE, TD-SCDMA, CDMA, and LTE-Advanced support

But failed? Too late for what? And what's wrong with a dualcore? It's an SoC for phones, not desktops. I bet even a single core Silvermont will demolish those small and slow quadcore A7s. Quadcores are bottlenecked by thermal limits. Dualcores are ideal for phones. They allow superior single threaded performance while still having enough multithreaded performance for consumer workloads.
Agree, but marketing is everything and has been for years (or no one would have bought Pentium 4 -- GHz-is-all-you-need-to-accelerate-Internet -- back then :biggrin.

The failure is also that Intel has no big name design win which tells a lot.
 

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If you mean failed from a economic perspective, I guess you might be right. But S805 is also already 2 months announced, but doesn't have any design wins, so it's probably too early to review Merrifield's accomplishments in its lifetime .
 

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not sure what u guys expected. they said their revenues are flat for the FY. they do not believe they will win many designs with these chips. hopefully the hype around broxton pays off

btw this is getting off topic. time for a new thread on merrifirld/moorefield
 
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not sure what u guys expected. they said their revenues are flat for the FY. they do not believe they will win many designs with these chips. hopefully the hype around broxton pays off

btw this is getting off topic. time for a new thread on merrifirld/moorefield

I expected at least one meaningful win with Merrifield, but it seems to me that the OEMs aren't buying this chip.

Another smartphone failure from the world's (puzzlingly) least competent mobile chip company...but at least the chip offers solid performance relative to its peers. It's just too little, too late.
 
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While I understand why Merrifield is a no-go in the US and China markets, I'd be rather surprised if it doesn't get at least the same level of adoption as Intel's previous offerings elsewhere. It's dead in the water in the US right off the bat due to the XMM7160 not matching the feature set that the wireless operators want in their performance/mainstream phones and then apparently a dual core just doesn't fly in China for some silly reason.

From the technical standpoint though Intel basically just released an SoC on par or better than Apple's A7 for anyone who wants it. We already knew from Baytrail that Silvermont is on par or better than Cyclone, especially when it comes to power consumption. Now Intel's pairing that with the same level of graphics architecture, though quite possibly clocked at a higher frequency. Even the modem side of things is relatively comparable, though Intel's still lacking a bit there.

Which really makes me wonder - why in the world isn't Intel pushing Merrifield hard to the tablet market? There it's one weak point, the XMM7160, is a non-issue. Sure it's only a dual core, but if marketing can't figure out how to sell that then they're complete morons. Of course chances are that Merrifield will actually be available around the same time as Snapdragon 805, in which case Intel will still be behind on graphics, but they're definitely getting closer.
 

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GPU is 450MHz for iPad vs. 533MHz for Merrifield. Merrifield doesn't compete with S805 as far as I know. In terms of performance it will, and it will be far superior on efficiency (the ~2x efficiency of Silvermont should compensate 2x less cores in multithreaded and thermal bound scenarios), but with only 2 cores it isn't meant for phones like the Samsung Galaxy S5 (marketing). I'd like to see cheap mid-end phones with Merrifield though.
 

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If you mean failed from a economic perspective, I guess you might be right. But S805 is also already 2 months announced, but doesn't have any design wins, so it's probably too early to review Merrifield's accomplishments in its lifetime .

No 805 in GS5 may be rather telling. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up a tablet only chip. I think Qualcomm might be running out of room on 28 nm HPM. (Or it could just be some other delay.)
 
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A couple thoughts on this and other MWC announcements.

From what I have seen Moorefield looks like it has the potential to gain some market share, with LTE-A and all they're positioning themselves pretty well for the future.

It is good to see that Cherry Trail is indeed a new CPU architecture, just a shame that it is a Q4 launch, effectively giving it only a 6-month product life (will be a nice step, but I figure a lot of people will wait til Broxton). I'm quite comfortable waiting til 2H2015 for a Broxton tablet.

Additionally what the hell is going on with Samsung and Exynos. They have teased twice, once for CES, and now MWC, and yet there has been nothing. Granted there still is more time for product announcements, but I'm disappointed that they didn't go over it at Unpacked.
 
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