@siliconwars - its a 10 inch device. thats a pretty good resolution for that size. even the MBA 11inch has the same res
This is the final time I waste effort responding to anything you post because you are exactly what I called you, a fanboy and I mean that in the worst way because you pretend to be logical but you only register evidence that meets the agenda you want to push which that ARM, preferably cheap ARM will conquer all.
When I started a thread last week that prefaced the results we saw today, you initially called them fabricated & me a liar (anything but classy but you have none), then switched to well baytrail is only good only in single threaded CPU, S800 will kill it in multithreaded loads, then when people pointed out further evidence you were wrong, then GPU is what really matters in mobile. You switch arguments constantly and only register evidence that meets your fanboy viewpoint.
How about you do us all a favour and come back *when* Intel has all this, otherwise you're just like any other Intel apologist (or possibly an employee/shill) who is good at talking about what is coming next, over and over. Shouldn't we be talking about NOW? Today was the new chip launch, yet you look ahead to next year?As for Rockchip and Allwiner, they are bottom feeders surviving on low margin on old tech in an industry that reserves it's real rewards for innovation (Apple, Qualcomm), by next year Intel will have on chip LTE, quite possibly an even greater process technology that it currently has, a class leading CPU (Apple A7 could be exception but too early to tell) and next design step will focus on graphics and greater SOC integration on Atom. What will Allwinner and Rockchip have? A12 on 40nm or 28nm if they are willing to pay? big.LITTLE which will kill their margins? That will work in the <$99 tablet market but it isn't Intel, Qualcomm, Apple or Samsung is aiming at and yes I consider that bottom feeding.
Asus Transformer with Baytrail: 11h
Asus Transformer with Tegra 4: 16h.
Hm. D:
The Transformer with Tegra 4 has a 31whr and 16whr battery. I dont think that they will go down much more with Baytrail.
I think the Z3770 meet my expectations, while i did known it has no chance against Temash and Kabini on IGP, i was hoping it will match HD6310 IGP, it did not.
BUT, we need more game tests under Windows and these need to be compared to E-350/E-450/E2-1800 and Temash.
I do have a HP DM1z netbook with E-350, before that i used a MSI U230 with L335 and 780G, ill have to say, the E-350 was a downgrade in cpu terms compared to a Neo L335, the HD6310 was more powerfull, but whith bad memory bandwidth and a really poor cpu performance the HD6310 could never perform at its full capacity, resulting in poor performance in games.
Thats why, while the Z3770 IGP is weaker, it may outperform or at least cath up with Brazos, and maybe even Temash in games.
Someone knows the exact details used in Anadtech Grid 2 / Bordeland 2 Z3770 bench? i could give it a try on my DM1z...
http://techreport.com/news/25355/as...ble-has-quad-core-bay-trail-soc-starts-at-349
I guess this is the first real competition against Temash/Kabini at the $350-$400 range. Well...battery life better be really damn good.
Intel expects the systems to start at $199 for a clamshell device, $250 for a notebook with touch and $349 for a 2 in 1 device.
Are you kidding? This is a joke, right? These chips are in no way designed for Windows gaming. You're not going to play Crysis 3 or Borderlands 2 on these chips. These are designed for 100-300$ tablets - On that note, Kabini and Temash are completely pathetic for any quality gaming as well unless you're at 800*600.
If you want to game get a core CPU with a discrete GPU or Iris Pro. You have some completely ridiculous expectations if you think you're going to play Borderlands 2 or Grid 2 on a 7 inch tablet. Maybe Angry birds?
Don't expect to see these tests any time soon. That would be completely ridiculous and a waste of time. That is a completely different segment of machine, one that costs substantially more. IF you want to game at 1080p or something along those lines you want a full size laptop with a core i7 mobile processor with a dGPU. You're not going to be doing that garbage on a Bay trail, Kabini, or Temash.
I'm sure it will find its way in the crowded Temash/Kabini 2-in-1 market. LOL.
Probably yeah, but can you imagine if AMD actually had tried to compete properly here? I mean with all the disadvantages the Kabini SOC has, it's probably not that bad an alternative.$350 for 2-in-1 devices. $250 for regular notebooks with touch.
Fun fact: This 1.8GHz Bay Trail-T would still beat the recently announced 8W TDP 1GHz quad-core Jaguar.
I pity the person who tries to game on a Bay Trail, Kabini or Temash. Unless it's something from 1998.
Borderlands 2? Uhm. Good luck with that.
What will Allwinner and Rockchip have? A12 on 40nm or 28nm if they are willing to pay? big.LITTLE which will kill their margins? That will work in the <$99 tablet market but it isn't Intel, Qualcomm, Apple or Samsung is aiming at and yes I consider that bottom feeding.
So it appears the transformer with atom is going for the cost conscious crowd. It is $349
It uss a 31whr battery. It does not include a second battery in the dock (but you get the dock for free)
Windows 8.1 with free office home and student.
32gb of emmc storage for the $349 price. There will be a 64gb sku. 1366x768 ips screen
Using the slower 3740 (1.33 ghz base 1.86 max turbo vs 1.46 base 2.39 max turbo a reduction of 10% and 28% )
It uss a 31whr battery. It does not include a second battery in the dock (but you get the dock for free)
People are forgetting that the screen, and the components which handle GPS and wireless connectivity,consume the most power in a modern phone or commodity tablet.
I don't quite think you get my point. Kabini uses massive amounts of power compared to baytrail for comparable CPU performance and superior GPU performance. Yes I have seen the benchmarks, 15w kabini is too slow to play almost all modern 3d games. Atom is much too slow but considering its market and power use its acceptable.
Sata a bit of a letdown but PCIe on a Soc as weak as kabini is a bit of a waste. Kabini's CPU isn't really powerful enough to power a lot of games. IMO kabini should have used dual channel RAM instead (increase in igp performance).
In a cheap notebook sata support will matter, but in ultraportables PCIe probably isn't going to be used.
By the time you drop down to the a6-1450 or a4-1200 CPU performance is really weak (lets not forget that 1 ghz jaguar is worse than 1.6 ghz bobcat), GPU no longer holds an advantage, and we are still using the same as or more power. Not seeing any advantage there.
I'm saying this is significant because this effectively writes AMD out of the tablet x86 market. For cheap notebooks, Baytrail basically offers bobcat gpu performance with kabini CPU performance and much lower power envelopes. Kabini was good for netbooks, baytrail is great. Kabini still has a bit of a market in low cost, low performance notebooks but baytrail takes netbook (because this SOC will easily run without active cooling vs 15 watt soc with active cooling) leaving kabini between pentium/i3 SV (high energy, higher performance, similar though more expensive prices) and haswell ULV (low energy, higher performance, expensive). Haswell ULT takes the high end, i3/pentium takes the low and clunky end and baytrail takes the ultra small form factor section. Where does that leave kabini?
Are you kidding? This is a joke, right? These chips are in no way designed for Windows gaming. You're not going to play Crysis 3 or Borderlands 2 on these chips. These are designed for 100-300$ tablets - On that note, Kabini and Temash are completely pathetic for any quality gaming as well unless you're at 800*600.
If you want to game get a core CPU with a discrete GPU or Iris Pro. You have some completely ridiculous expectations if you think you're going to play Borderlands 2 or Grid 2 on a 7 inch tablet. Maybe Angry birds?
Don't expect to see these tests any time soon. That would be completely ridiculous and a waste of time. That is a completely different segment of machine, one that costs substantially more. IF you want to game at 1080p or something along those lines you want a full size laptop with a core i7 mobile processor with a dGPU. You're not going to be doing that garbage on a Bay trail, Kabini, or Temash.
This ASUS Transformer T100 does look very high quality for a $350 2-in-1 full Windows 8.1 device.
I don't quite think you get my point. Kabini uses massive amounts of power compared to baytrail for comparable CPU performance and superior GPU performance. Yes I have seen the benchmarks, 15w kabini is too slow to play almost all modern 3d games. Atom is much too slow but considering its market and power use its acceptable.
I'm saying this is significant because this effectively writes AMD out of the tablet x86 market. For cheap notebooks, Baytrail basically offers bobcat gpu performance with kabini CPU performance and much lower power envelopes. Kabini was good for netbooks, baytrail is great. Kabini still has a bit of a market in low cost, low performance notebooks but baytrail takes netbook (because this SOC will easily run without active cooling vs 15 watt soc with active cooling) leaving kabini between pentium/i3 SV (high energy, higher performance, similar though more expensive prices) and haswell ULV (low energy, higher performance, expensive). Haswell ULT takes the high end, i3/pentium takes the low and clunky end and baytrail takes the ultra small form factor section. Where does that leave kabini?
So, AMD Temash has acceptable CPU performance for the applications people use in Tablets, but it also has 2x the GPU performance of Baytrail and thats an advantage for people that need it, thats 66% of Tablet users.
Let me get this straight,
You dont need enormous CPU performance for Search, e-mail, social networking etc. But you need the fastest GPU performance you can have for Gaming.
So, AMD Temash has acceptable CPU performance for the applications people use in Tablets, but it also has 2x the GPU performance of Baytrail and thats an advantage for people that need it, thats 66% of Tablet users.
So it appears the transformer with atom is going for the cost conscious crowd. It is $349
It uss a 31whr battery. It does not include a second battery in the dock (but you get the dock for free)
Windows 8.1 with free office home and student.
32gb of emmc storage for the $349 price. There will be a 64gb sku. 1366x768 ips screen
Using the slower 3740 (1.33 ghz base 1.86 max turbo vs 1.46 base 2.39 max turbo a reduction of 10% and 28% )
We now know the battery sizes (they are the same size for the base), thus Tegra 4 according to ASUS (we will eventually see real testing) gets 13 hours for Tegra 4 vs 11 hours for Intel. If you use the dock with the Tegra 4 tablet you get an additional 4 hours
The Tegra tablet also has a higher resolution screen 390% more pixels.