The Intel Atom Thread

[Sweepr]

Next Nexus tablet may feature Intel’s 64-bit Moorefield processor

Last month VR-Zone reported Google was looking to axe the Nexus 7 series and launch a Nexus 8 tablet instead. The 8-inch tablet is slated for a July launch, a month after Google’s I/O conference. Asus is said to be the front-running candidate to get the manufacturing deal, although it has been rumored that Lenovo and HTC are also in the mix.

While not much is known about the tablet in general, it has been rumored that the Nexus 8 will feature Intel’s 64-bit Atom Z3580 “Moorefield” SoC, a quad-core variant of Merrifield that clocks at 2.3 GHz. The Moorefield SoC features Intel’s XMM 7260 LTE category 6 modem that can utilize carrier aggregation technologies to deliver more bandwidth.

...Another feature of note on Moorefield is the GPU, which is a PowerVR G6430 GPU. Clocked at 533 MHz, the GPU is the said to be twenty times faster to PowerVR’s series 5 offerings, and five times more efficient. Intel has mentioned that the Z3580 would be commercially available from the third quarter.

In addition to announcing the new mobile offerings, Intel has also stated that it has signed multi-year agreements with Lenovo, Asus, Dell and Foxconn. Asus and Lenovo are said to launch mobiles and tablets that feature Atom hardware later this year.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/next-ne...intels-64-bit-moorefield-processor/73753.html

Also, here comes Cherry Trail: https://www.zauba.com/import-cherry-trail-hs-code.html

 

[sequoia464]

Next Nexus tablet may feature Intel’s 64-bit Moorefield processor

I recently saw this new HP tablet running 64 bit windows using a Z3785, haven't kept up lately, are many of the newer windows tablets 64 bit? I was suprised to see this.

Link to HP ..http://shopping1.hp.com/is-bin/INTE...Wp&CatalogCategoryID=ixsQ7EN50MkAAAFDQa00QpdT

 

[ninaholic37]

Also, here comes Cherry Trail: https://www.zauba.com/import-cherry-trail-hs-code.html

Can someone post the contents of this link for me? I get a "Untrusted Connection" error when trying to visit it.

 

[witeken]

Can someone post the contents of this link for me? I get a "Untrusted Connection" error when trying to visit it.

Date HS Code Description Origin Country Port of Discharge Unit Quantity Value (INR) Per Unit (INR)
10-Mar-2014 84733010 FOC ITEM : MICROPROCESSOR W/O ENCRYPTION CHERRY TRAIL United States Banglore Air Cargo NOS 5 71,235 14,247
10-Mar-2014 84733010 FOC ITEM : MICROPROCESSOR W/O ENCRYPTION CHERRY TRAIL United States Banglore Air Cargo NOS 2 28,494 14,247
10-Mar-2014 84733010 (FOC ITEM) FCBGA CHERRY TRAIL MICROPROCESSOR (FOR INTERNAL USE) United States Banglore Air Cargo NOS 1 11,585 11,585
7-Mar-2014 84733099 (FOC ITEM) H18041-102 LFPINH18041-102C CHERRY TRAIL: SPIDERCARD CARD WITHOUT CPU (PARTS OF COMPUTER) Malaysia Banglore Air Cargo NOS 6 60,818 10,136
7-Mar-2014 84733099 (FOC ITEM) G96130-200 LFPING96130-200C CHERRY TRAIL MOUNTVILLE PLUS TABLET BOARD WITHOUT CPU (PARTS OF COMPUTER) Malaysia Banglore Air Cargo NOS 5 81,768 16,354
7-Mar-2014 84733099 (FOC ITEM) H23191-101 LFPINH23191-101C CHERRY TRAILAQ INTERPOSER TABLET BOARD WITHOUT CPU (PARTS OF COMPUTER) Malaysia Banglore Air Cargo NOS 2 18,491 9,246
5-Mar-2014 84733099 (FOC ITEM) H35638-001 LFPINH35638-001F CHERRY TRAIL CR:ANDROID CAMERA AIC-TA TABLET BOARD WITHOUT CPU (PARTS OF COMPUTE Malaysia Banglore Air Cargo NOS 10 71,861 7,186
4-Mar-2014 84733099 (FOC ITEM) H35639-001 LFPINH35639-001F CHERRY TRAIL CR:CYNTHIANA CR (CAMERA AOB)-TA TABLET BOARD WITHOUT CPU (PARTS OF C Malaysia Banglore Air Cargo NOS 10 77,265 7,726
4-Mar-2014 84733099 (FOC ITEM) H21887-201 PBA,CHERRY TRAIL, FR4,CYNTHIANA-2, ATCFINAL PRINTED CIRCUIT BOARD ASSEMBLY (PARTS OF COMPUTER) Malaysia Banglore Air Cargo NOS 20 104,109 5,205

Good enough?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Date HS Code Description Origin Country Port of Discharge Unit Quantity Value (INR) Per Unit (INR)
10-Mar-2014 84733010 FOC ITEM : MICROPROCESSOR W/O ENCRYPTION CHERRY TRAIL United States Banglore Air Cargo NOS 5 71,235 14,247
10-Mar-2014 84733010 FOC ITEM : MICROPROCESSOR W/O ENCRYPTION CHERRY TRAIL United States Banglore Air Cargo NOS 2 28,494 14,247
10-Mar-2014 84733010 (FOC ITEM) FCBGA CHERRY TRAIL MICROPROCESSOR (FOR INTERNAL USE) United States Banglore Air Cargo NOS 1 11,585 11,585
7-Mar-2014 84733099 (FOC ITEM) H18041-102 LFPINH18041-102C CHERRY TRAIL: SPIDERCARD CARD WITHOUT CPU (PARTS OF COMPUTER) Malaysia Banglore Air Cargo NOS 6 60,818 10,136
7-Mar-2014 84733099 (FOC ITEM) G96130-200 LFPING96130-200C CHERRY TRAIL MOUNTVILLE PLUS TABLET BOARD WITHOUT CPU (PARTS OF COMPUTER) Malaysia Banglore Air Cargo NOS 5 81,768 16,354
7-Mar-2014 84733099 (FOC ITEM) H23191-101 LFPINH23191-101C CHERRY TRAILAQ INTERPOSER TABLET BOARD WITHOUT CPU (PARTS OF COMPUTER) Malaysia Banglore Air Cargo NOS 2 18,491 9,246
5-Mar-2014 84733099 (FOC ITEM) H35638-001 LFPINH35638-001F CHERRY TRAIL CR:ANDROID CAMERA AIC-TA TABLET BOARD WITHOUT CPU (PARTS OF COMPUTE Malaysia Banglore Air Cargo NOS 10 71,861 7,186
4-Mar-2014 84733099 (FOC ITEM) H35639-001 LFPINH35639-001F CHERRY TRAIL CR:CYNTHIANA CR (CAMERA AOB)-TA TABLET BOARD WITHOUT CPU (PARTS OF C Malaysia Banglore Air Cargo NOS 10 77,265 7,726
4-Mar-2014 84733099 (FOC ITEM) H21887-201 PBA,CHERRY TRAIL, FR4,CYNTHIANA-2, ATCFINAL PRINTED CIRCUIT BOARD ASSEMBLY (PARTS OF COMPUTER) Malaysia Banglore Air Cargo NOS 20 104,109 5,205

Good enough?

I'm also seeing Cherry Trail M/D shipping, Broadwell shipping in pretty high numbers, and there's even some Skylake ULX action going on. Good stuff.

 

[Sweepr]

I recently saw this new HP tablet running 64 bit windows using a Z3785, haven't kept up lately, are many of the newer windows tablets 64 bit? I was suprised to see this.

Link to HP ..http://shopping1.hp.com/is-bin/INTE...Wp&CatalogCategoryID=ixsQ7EN50MkAAAFDQa00QpdT

As far as I know, HP was the first to launch 64-bit Bay Trail-T tablets. Dell, ASUS, Lenovo and others should launch updated versions of some of their Bay Trail-T products in Q2/Q3.

 

[tarlinian]

I recently saw this new HP tablet running 64 bit windows using a Z3785, haven't kept up lately, are many of the newer windows tablets 64 bit? I was suprised to see this.

Link to HP ..http://shopping1.hp.com/is-bin/INTE...Wp&CatalogCategoryID=ixsQ7EN50MkAAAFDQa00QpdT

Those are crazy expensive...are they just meant to rip off corporate procurement departments? (I can't imagine spending that much on a Bay Trail tablet when you can buy pretty high end Haswell convertibles for similar prices...)

 

[sequoia464]

Those are crazy expensive...are they just meant to rip off corporate procurement departments? (I can't imagine spending that much on a Bay Trail tablet when you can buy pretty high end Haswell convertibles for similar prices...)

They are pricey for sure - I have a 32 gb version of last years model - the elitepad 900, but only because I got a killer price.

I think you hit it on the head as far as these being pretty much business oriented - someone pointed out to me in a post that I made mirroring your sentiment (at another forum), their contention is that since these are supposed to be meant for business rather than personal consumers, the purchasers are likely getting discounts as they are probably buying in quantity. This is not my world though, don't know if that is a valid statement or not.

HP makes a wide range of accessories for the Elitepads (yes, the accessories seem pricey as well) that allow just about any use or connection I could ever envision, but the unfortunate flip side is that the bare tablet allows for a micro SD card and an audio out port only. Nothing else, not even a USB port of any type.

 

[sequoia464]

As far as I know, HP was the first to launch 64-bit Bay Trail-T tablets. Dell, ASUS, Lenovo and others should launch updated versions of some of their Bay Trail-T products in Q2/Q3.

Thanks, I'm interested in Lenovo's 8.3 inch tablet, but if 64 bit versions might be in the works I can wait. Not like I really 'need' another tablet.

 

[VengenceIsMine]

Those are crazy expensive...are they just meant to rip off corporate procurement departments? (I can't imagine spending that much on a Bay Trail tablet when you can buy pretty high end Haswell convertibles for similar prices...)

Most of these kinds of PC's are purchased in enterprise deployments for a specific purpose, not as a general purpose PC. It's fast enough for the line of business type apps these things get used for, other considerations (like battery life or expandability) usually take precedence over speed in these scenarios. A few things to note about that HP, it has a really awesome screen, it has much better battery life than even the Haswell tablets like the Surface Pro 2, it's much thinner and lighter than a Surface Pro 2 and it's got some very cool expandability you don't see in the consumer side: removable battery, pen support, optional docking station, battery jackets & a bunch of specific purpose battery jackets like credit card readers, fingerprint scanners, etc. Check out http://www8.hp.com/us/en/ad/elitepad/overview.html for pictures of some of the accessories. It's all about what you intend to use it for.

 

[Sweepr]

Windows 8 in 8 Inches: A Small Tablet Round-Up

Acer Iconia W4-820, Dell Venue 8 Pro, Lenovo Thinkpad 8, Lenovo Miix 2, Toshiba Encore & ASUS VivoTab Note 8 comparison

http://reckoner.com.au/2014/03/8-windows-8-1-bay-trail-tablet-mega-review

Zotac to launch fanless Zbox with Intel Bay Trail

http://hexus.net/tv/show/2014/03/Zotac_to_launch_fanless_Zbox_with_Intel_Bay_Trail?utm_

Tarox Craftab 8.3 is a Very Light Rugged Tablet with 64-Bit Bay Trail, Win 8.1 and Full HD Screen

While perusing the very expansive halls of CeBIT 2014 this week, we came across an 8.3″ tablet device from Tarox, a German vendor of business and industrial-class PC systems and devices. The Tarox Craftab 8.3″ runs Microsoft Windows 8.1 on a Bay Trail architecture quad-core Intel Atom processor, features an impressive looking Full HD display and will available with a very attractive docking station.

Tarox Craftab 8.3″ Tablet: Specifications
• 8.3″ Full HD Display
• 1900 x 1200 (16:9 ratio) with Corning Gorilla Glass 3
• 800:1 Contrast Ratio, 160º viewing angle
• Quad-core Intel Atom Z3745 (64-bit capable)
• 64GB Internal Storage
• 8MP Rear Camera, 2MP Front Facing
• WiFi (ac), WIDI, BT, GPS plus NFC
• HSPA+/LTE Version Available
• 22,00 mAh Battery
• 227.8mm x 150.1mm x 12.5mm
• 500 Grams
• Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit
• Dock: 3x USB 3.0, Gb Ethernet and HMDI out

www.mobilegeeks.com/cebit-2014-tarox-craftab-8-3-ruggedized-industrial-tablet

 

[Nothingness]

Why do companies have to keep on qualifying some of these BT chips as "64-bit capable"? All BT are 64-bit capable and supposedly it was a Windows issue that prevented them from running 64-bit Windows. So what's the point? Is there something else? Won't we see 64-bit Windows on older BT tablets? Or do older BT have some hardware issues with 64-bit Windows (Ubuntu 64-bit works, but there might be other issues such as power saving, etc.)?

 

[jpiniero]

1099 Euro? Really? I was thinking something like 399.

Why do companies have to keep on qualifying some of these BT chips as "64-bit capable"

It's possible they could ship with a non 64-bit OS, but be capable of it.

 

[North01]

I had some hands on time yesterday with the ASUS VivoTab Note 8 and I was very impressed. The stylus, being the highlight of this 8-inch device, was extremely responsive. The palm rejection was great and the stylus could be detected even when held about an inch above the display. I also found that the stylus had next to no delay, even when I was scribbling relatively quickly across the page it was able to keep up.

Anyone searching for an inexpensive 8-inch tablet with stylus support, this is the best option thus far.

 

[Sweepr]

I had some hands on time yesterday with the ASUS VivoTab Note 8 and I was very impressed. The stylus, being the highlight of this 8-inch device, was extremely responsive. The palm rejection was great and the stylus could be detected even when held about an inch above the display. I also found that the stylus had next to no delay, even when I was scribbling relatively quickly across the page it was able to keep up.

Anyone searching for an inexpensive 8-inch tablet with stylus support, this is the best option thus far.

Definitely one of the best small Windows tablets right now. Talking about 8'' tablets...

Dell Venue 8 Pro 32 GB Tablet (Windows 8.1) for $197 @ Amazon.com right now. Great deal.

#7 spot at their best selling tablets, right behind the similarly priced 2013 Nexus 7. People would buy more Windows tablets if pricing was always this agressive and there were more (good) options.

 

[Nothingness]

Intel's 64-Bit Mobile Chips Will Have OS-(B)Locking Features.

Very bad news for the hacker I am, and also for people who were hoping to get custom ROMs if this is confirmed

 

[bgt]

I had some hands on time yesterday with the ASUS VivoTab Note 8 and I was very impressed. The stylus, being the highlight of this 8-inch device, was extremely responsive. The palm rejection was great and the stylus could be detected even when held about an inch above the display. I also found that the stylus had next to no delay, even when I was scribbling relatively quickly across the page it was able to keep up.
Anyone searching for an inexpensive 8-inch tablet with stylus support, this is the best option thus far.

This 1 is € 384,-(incl.VAT) here ridiculous price really.

 

[VengenceIsMine]

I had some hands on time yesterday with the ASUS VivoTab Note 8 and I was very impressed. The stylus, being the highlight of this 8-inch device, was extremely responsive. The palm rejection was great and the stylus could be detected even when held about an inch above the display. I also found that the stylus had next to no delay, even when I was scribbling relatively quickly across the page it was able to keep up.

Anyone searching for an inexpensive 8-inch tablet with stylus support, this is the best option thus far.

There is Wacom and then there is everything else. Too bad Lenovo didn't put it in their ThinkPad 8 tablet, the screen on the ASUS is nice & bright but not that really high dpi that the best tablets have these days.

 

[North01]

This 1 is € 384,-(incl.VAT) here ridiculous price really.

Wow, that's quite high.

At the Microsoft Store in Canada the 32GB model was on sale for $299 CAD [€ 192] before tax, or $338 CAD [€ 218] after 13% tax (Ontario).

 

[North01]

There is Wacom and then there is everything else. Too bad Lenovo didn't put it in their ThinkPad 8 tablet, the screen on the ASUS is nice & bright but not that really high dpi that the best tablets have these days.

Agreed, the ThinkPad 8 would have been almost perfect if it had a stylus.

Hopefully Lenovo releases a successor to the ThinkPad Tablet 2 in the coming months.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Intel's 64-Bit Mobile Chips Will Have OS-(B)Locking Features.

Very bad news for the hacker I am, and also for people who were hoping to get custom ROMs if this is confirmed

Wow, now THAT'S some dirty pool coming from Intel. I mean, above and beyond what you normally expect from them.

Can you imagine if this tech were to "leak" out into their desktop CPU lines? Install Linux on your Dell, and POOF, you quad-core CPU become a single-core? Your Intel ethernet stops working if you don't install Windows? Not good.

 

[TuxDave]

Wow, now THAT'S some dirty pool coming from Intel. I mean, above and beyond what you normally expect from them.

Can you imagine if this tech were to "leak" out into their desktop CPU lines? Install Linux on your Dell, and POOF, you quad-core CPU become a single-core? Your Intel ethernet stops working if you don't install Windows? Not good.

I'm not sure how it benefits Intel directly without being OEM or customer driven. And if it's OEM or customer driven, I expect all CPUs to support that capability or risk not getting purchased.

http://liliputing.com/2014/03/phones-with-intels-64-bit-chips-could-discourage-custom-roms.html

This one has a scenario that sounds a little more plausible to me. It's always either IT management or security and the scenario this website presents is:

Before you panic that Intel is trying to kill custom ROMs, this is being pitched as a security feature that allows businesses to prevent employees from installing untrusted software (or which could prevent someone from stealing a phone and continuing to access the corporate network).

 

[kimmel]

Wow, now THAT'S some dirty pool coming from Intel. I mean, above and beyond what you normally expect from them.

Can you imagine if this tech were to "leak" out into their desktop CPU lines? Install Linux on your Dell, and POOF, you quad-core CPU become a single-core? Your Intel ethernet stops working if you don't install Windows? Not good.

The new technology implemented within Intel’s hardware will be active beginning 2014, along with the “hooks” functionality that will be used to lock the processor for certain OSes or OS versions. It remains to be seen which OS versions and/or mobile platforms will be blacklisted by Intel.

I can't seem to find that statement or quite a few others in the original article. Lots of pure speculation in that "translation". They tried to link to a "source" then proceeded to tell a completely different story.

 

[Sweepr]

New ''C0'' Bay Trail-T models detailed

[...] The PCN references a number of already released Z37xx chips on B2 and B3 stepping, and also lists future Z3735D, Z3735E, Z3745, Z3745D, Z3775, Z3775D, Z3785 and Z3795 models, all with newer stepping C0. The fastest from the lineup is Atom Z3795, and it is going to be clocked at 1.6 GHz. The runner up is Z3785, and it has 100 MHz lower clock rate. The next SKUs are Z3775 and Z3775D, and they run at 1.46 GHz. Atom Z3735D, Z3735E, Z3745 and Z3745D have 1.33 GHz operating frequency, and the differences between them are not clear from the document. Below is the list of all unreleased models, their clock speeds, together with part number and S-spec numbers:

www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014031401_Some_details_on_upcoming_Intel_Bay_Trail-T_processors.html

 

[Nothingness]

I'm not sure how it benefits Intel directly without being OEM or customer driven. And if it's OEM or customer driven, I expect all CPUs to support that capability or risk not getting purchased.

http://liliputing.com/2014/03/phones-with-intels-64-bit-chips-could-discourage-custom-roms.html

This one has a scenario that sounds a little more plausible to me. It's always either IT management or security and the scenario this website presents is:

The new technology implemented within Intel’s hardware will be active beginning 2014, along with the “hooks” functionality that will be used to lock the processor for certain OSes or OS versions. It remains to be seen which OS versions and/or mobile platforms will be blacklisted by Intel.

That looks much saner on the software side, but the paragraph following the one you quoted still sound bad on the hardware side:

But if the hardware-security feature Intel calls “hooks” are widely used, it could make it tougher for users to install custom ROMs such as CyanogenMod, AOKP, or Paranoid Android on phones with Intel’s next-gen mobile chips.

That still doesn't mean much, let's wait for the first devices to see how this goes.

BTW did any existing Intel-based phone ever get a custom ROM?