Yeap, those two are very close in performance. But, completely different segments, the Intel Core i7 4559U is the only 28W SKU with GT3 5100 and it comes at a price of $454.00. That is more than 2x times the price of 35W Ritchland mobile SKU.
The Iris 5100 that goes into the 28W SKUs seems to be quite competitive with Trinity's top Radeon HD 7660G in actual game benchmarks. And peak power consumption appears similar for both in the 40-45W range.
Iris 5100 - http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Iris-Graphics-5100.91977.0.html
Radeon HD 7660G - http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-7660G.69830.0.html
Yeap, those two are very close in performance. But, completely different segments, the Intel Core i7 4559U is the only 28W SKU with GT3 5100 and it comes at a price of $454.00. That is more than 2x times the price of 35W Ritchland mobile SKU.
The main point is, AMD only ships one model in full glory with all shaders. A8, A6, A4 models are crippled unlike Intels GT2. Even the top notch Trinity is just equal to Haswell GT2. To say Trinity is faster is just plain wrong.
28W SKUs with Iris Graphics 5100 are the i7-4558U, i5-4258U, i5-4288U, and i3-4158U.
There are a lot of 28W models with HD5100, there is also a I3, the Iris Pro is the one with limited models.
I meant you can get way higher than TDP (in my case my 4770K went to above 140W with no OC, and no HT). Isn't that "breaking" TDP? Sorry English is not my mother tongue.You can't "break" TDP. TDP is NOT a measure of maximum power consumption and never has been. It is, quite funny to see the SDP / TDP argument going on for pages upon pages upon pages, though, when there is no industry standard for the definition of "TDP" yet some here act like there is a standard.
While it's unfortunately continuing the off-topic trends in this thread... To substantiate your claim that everyone uses the same CAD software why don't you tell me what Intel uses?
The one that was measured against Trinity A10-4600M 7660G was the Core i7-4558U. This is the highest 28W HD5100, with quad core and 4MB cache.
Core i5 has two cores less and only 3MB cache.
Those SKUs will have lower performance than 35W HD8650G in A10 Ritchland and im sure that Core i3-4158U will loose in CPU MT loads too.
It's a dual-core.
Same core count, let me check how much difference the extra 1MB L3 makes on graphics performance... yeah, pretty much none.
Core i5 will not and it still puts any 35W AMD APU to shame in CPU performance, at similar (if not lower) power levels.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20131014PD216.htmlIntel is planning to release entry-level Bay Trail-based processors for the Android platform in the second quarter of 2014, according to sources from tablet players. The sources expect the CPUs to be priced between US$15-20, about US$12 lower than the current models.
My point is that selling them under 20$/chip , that is
about 25$ once packaged, will hardly pay for the investments ,
the only advantage of very low prices and 22nm for thoses
chips is to eventually keep the capacity productions means
at reasonable output if ever their traditionnal markets
keep shrinking or stagnating.
Usualy Intel kept their factories running at full capacity
thanks to constant die sizes through node shrinks but
with the current trend their new CPUs are slightly smaller ,
hence they have excess capacity that is dumped on whatever
product that can sell within productions costs.
The same paper stipulate that Finfets will manage
to have lower cost than bulk HKMG if ever the cycle
is longer than two years , hence Intel s is likely
to extend it to three years to benefit from said
cost advantage past H1 2014.
During Q1 2014 production cost of a 22nm Finfet chip with 100mm2
area will shrink to 20$ , cost of a same process based 200mm2 chip ,
about a Haswell , will be 50$ at the same date.
It makes all the difference. Audio samples on a phone's mic usually have terrible noise and quality. The samples need to be heavily filtered and characterized before uploading to the remote server. Lots of phones are using an on-board DSP or MCU to do this, Apple integrated the DSP into the SOC I believe. This is just another step in integrating components into the SOC to reduce size and cost.does the onboard dsp matter? isnt siri's backend on apple remote servers?
So i was spot on the target...
Yeap, selling a 100mm+ die on a first time used 22nm ULP at less than $20.00 was not viable.
"Intel has clearly signaled more aggressive pricing in
tablets and low end notebooks, and channel checks
are validating that, with Bay Trail pricing as low as
$10 for tablets and $20 for notebooks, vs. roughly
$25-30 for prior Atom chips. We explore the
ramifications for our global coverage:"
From Sept 3rd Morgan Stanley's Semiconductor Team.
They are selling at loss to counter the competition ,
quite deseperate move that could backfire badly
if ever their BT line make its way on markets
usualy devoted to their traditional bread and butter ,
aka celeron/pentium/i3.
They are selling at loss to counter the competition ,
quite deseperate move that could backfire badly
if ever their BT line make its way on markets
usualy devoted to their traditional bread and butter ,
aka celeron/pentium/i3.
BayTrail Tablet pricing is different to BayTrail Desktop pricing.
show me the math (with backup) that makes it a loss. Saying it costs them 20 dollars to build does not make it so just because you say it.