The Intel Atom Thread

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Hmm intriguing comment indeed. But I doubt any Silvermont-based chip could reach 2 days of battery life with a very small battery. Perhaps the Quark (i486) variant then?

It's probably ARM. If it were IA, Intel would be shouting from the rooftops about it.
 

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Voyo A1 Mini - Z3735D tested

8" IPS
2GB DDR3L-1333 SC
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Atom Z3735G Turbo: Dual @1.83Ghz Quad: 1.53Ghz
Intel HD 4 EU@640mhz (Ivy Bridge) DX9/DX11/OpenCL
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Sweepr

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Thanks for the results Shivansps, looks like a pretty good cheap BT tablet.
Talking about value:

Chuwi Vi8 Windows tablet launches in December for under $100



The Chuwi Vi8 Windows tablet is heading to China in December, when it’s expected to go on sale for about $82. Odds are that the tablet will cost a little more if you want to pay to have it shipped to the US or Europe.

Chuwi’s new tablet features an 8 inch, 1280 x 800 pixel IPS display, an Intel Atom Z3735F quad-core Bay Trail processor, 2GB of RAM, and 32GB of storage.

http://liliputing.com/2014/11/chuwi-vi8-windows-tablet-launches-december-100.html

8'' IPS, Atom Z3735F and 2GB RAM for only $82.
 

Nothingness

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Atom (Intel) might have won a Google Glass design win: https://twitter.com/FPiednoel/status/539466297331810304
You should stop quoting him, he has seen so many Conroe moments in the last years that his brain has been damaged :biggrin:

Nowhere in the original article from WSJ is x86 mentioned. They go even as far as saying the Intel Mica watch is running an ARM CPU.
 

TrulyUncouth

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You should stop quoting him, he has seen so many Conroe moments in the last years that his brain has been damaged :biggrin:


Nowhere in the original article from WSJ is x86 mentioned. They go even as far as saying the Intel Mica watch is running an ARM CPU.

I also thought there were stories about google dropping glass, they cut development on software, shut down the showcases, and moved staff to their watch initiatives. Who knows what to believe now.
 

Sweepr

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Cherry Trail-T mass production in March 2015 (DigiTimes)

Although demand for tablets has weakened with shipments expected to see an around 10% growth in 2014 and a flat performance in 2015, Intel and AMD are still aggressively preparing their new tablet products for 2015, looking to take as much share as possible of a market estimated at about the 200 million units.

Intel's new 14nm Cherry Trail SoCs, which will replace the existing 22nm Bay Trail-T platform, are expected to enter mass production in March 2015. The new processors will enable lower power consumption than the existing ones and feature Intel's eighth-generation GPU and support both Android and Windows operating systems.

In addition to hardware, Intel has also adjusted its tablet subsidy strategy recently as well as cooperated with Rockchip and Spreadtrum, looking to expand its presence in China's tablet market.

www.digitimes.com/news/a20141211PD204.html

ECS Liva X mini PC with Intel Bay Trail on the way

This year ECS introduces a tiny desktop computer capable of running Windows, Ubuntu, or other operating systems. The ECS Liva is small enough to hold in one hand, priced at under $200 (and currently available for just $110), and sold as a sort of DIY kit: you have to put the system board and the case together yourself.

ECS has a new model on the way, and it will have additional storage options, could have a faster processor, and has a new case design. It’s called the LIVA X, and it will likely launch in early 2015. Like the original, the new ECS Liva X will be available with 32GB to 64GB of eMMC flash storage. But it will also have an mSATA slot for a solid state drive.



The new system will be available with 2GB or 4GB of RAM, an Intel Bay Trail-M or Bay Trail-I processor with a clock speed up to 2.25 GHz, and there will be a model that comes with Windows 8.1 with Bing software, as well as models that ship without an operating system. [...]

http://liliputing.com/2014/12/ecs-liva-x-mini-pc-intel-bay-trail-way.html
http://www.fanlesstech.com/2014/12/ecs-liva-x-aka-liva-2.html

MeegoPad T01 Android 4.4 & Windows 8.1 Mini PC Sells For as Low as $100



MeegoPad T01, also known as APM-D01, is a low cost Android 4.4 and/or Windows 8.1 HDMI TV dongle powered by Intel Bay-Trail-T Z3735F or G with 1 to 2GB RAM, and 16 to 32GB eMMC. It has become quite popular (for a Chinese product from an unknown board), and one seller managed to sell nearly 400 pieces of the 2GB RAM/16GB eMMC version on Aliexpress for about $130 shipped. But this morning, I discovered this Windows 8.1 HDMI TV stick was listed on DealExtreme for just $93.50 $99.99 including shipping, and if you want the 32GB eMMC version, it would cost you $104.39 $109.99 also including shipping.

MeegoPad T01 specifications of the devices sold on DealExtreme:

SoC – Intel Atom Z3735F “Bay Trail” quad core processor @ 1.33 GHz (Bust freq: 1.83 GHz) with Intel HD graphics Gen 7 (2W TDP)
System Memory – 2 GB DDR3L-1333 (64-bit up to 10.6 GB/s)
Storage – 16 or 32 GB eMMC + micro SD slot up to 64GB
Video & Audio Output – HDMI 1.4
Connectivity – 802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 4.0 (Realtek RTL8723BS)
USB – 2x micro USB ports, 1x USB 2.0 port
Misc – Power button
Power Supply – 5V/2A via micro USB port.
Dimensions – 11 x 3.9 x 1 cm
Weight – 50 grams

[...]

http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/11...mini-pc-sells-for-as-low-as-93/#ixzz3LaWIopb1
 

Sweepr

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I thought that this link was about rumours, what happened..?.

It's still a rumour, hence the DigiTimes in parentheses. I wouldn't trust DigiTimes more than an official Intel roadmap like you do with your favourite company though.
 

Abwx

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It's still a rumour, hence the DigiTimes in parentheses. I wouldn't trust DigiTimes more than an official Intel roadmap like you do with your favourite company though.

You are surely aware that there s a disclaimer at the bottom of any roadmap, including Intel s ones of course..
 

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Intel's taking a 1 year pause to implement FinFETs catch up with yields...

At least it will launch before Q4 like some people were thinking from Intel's roadmap...
 

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Asus EeeBook X205TA

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-EeeBook-X205TA-FD005BS-Netbook-Review.131308.0.html

man dat low power consumption/battery life

noice !

Would like to see more optimised machines like that in Windows world

Completely not impressed at all.

TLDR: 9 hours battery life with wifi and video playback is not impressive at all when you get a crappy experience. Having a Twisted Neumatic Screen with 260 nit max brightness is a sucky experience. Having to watch the videos at 134 nits for 9 hours is a crappy experience. Using the cpu fully with the screen at 260 nits, max brightness is only 5 hours of battery life.



I am sorry but I am not impressed at all, and this is why netbooks suck. If you want a portable device you want something you can use outside for the purpose of netbooks is the ability to travel. That means at least 400nits so you can actually see the computer if you are outside or if you can't control your environment and the room's lighting. Furthermore you should have a quality screen such as an IPS or a VA panel if you are going to be staring at the screen for hours. Worse it is not just a TN panel but a glossy TN panel so you need even more brightness to counter glare.

Compare these tablets which have IPS screens (info from anandtech bench)
583 nits Google Nexus 7 (2013)
480 nits Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0
445 nits Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1
427 nits Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4
426 nits Apple iPad Air

These are all ips panels, with dpi of 260-360. IPS screens take more power, and higher dpi take more power. The tablet you linked to has a dpi of 135 for comparison, while I do not want amazing dpi on a windows machine and at that screen size it is fine it still shows that battery life is not impressive.

I would not consider the macbook air 11.6" 2013 Haswell a great screen but I am comparing it to this netbook since they are the same screen size, both TN, and same resolution. That screen gets 345 nits according to anandtech, and while different testing methodology gets 8.67 hours battery life running the light workload at 200 nits, 6.45 hours at medium workload, and 4.07 hours running the anandtech heavy workload.

Now I understand these devices have completely different price points but why would I want to subject myself to a subpar netbook experience? A nexus 7 2013 is far more usable for a travel device.

If you need typing capabilities you can get an acer aspire switch with a 1366x768 ips screen and 329 nits for about $300, or the better 1920x1080 ips screen and 407 nits for $500.

The 1920x1080 screen version gets 453 minutes of battery in notebookcheck wifi test. I understand 545 minutes for your ASUS with a TN screen is an extra hour and a half, but at least the switch is usable as a device and not a subpar experience. Oh did I mention that the 1920x1080 ips screen acer has a smaller battery? 38wh for the asus, 24 wh on the acer.

I have not see numbers on the new toshiba 13.3" chromebook with 1920x1080 ips screen from notebookcheck or similar websites, but that screen is supposedly 1920x1080 with 340nits, ips, and "up to 9 hours" of battery life (whatever up to 9 hours means, this is why I am waiting for a review). And you get this type of device for $310 right now.


There is a reason why people are going away from windows computers, and it is stuff like this the OEMs pull. I understand you are trying to hit a certain price point $200, but when the android devices have decent screens at this price point, and the windows devices do not, you are going to see more people buy android than windows.
 
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2 years after Bay Trail...ouch.

20nm is also a year later than Moore's Law (24 months). 10nm will also be a year (or more) later than Moore's Law. If Intel gets back on Tick-Tock track like they seem to promise, 10nm Atom will follow quite shortly after Broxton while other companies have to wait and wait for TSMC's or Samsung's 2nd generation FinFET in 2018.
 
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20nm is also a year later than Moore's Law (24 months). 10nm will also be a year (or more) later than Moore's Law. If Intel gets back on Tick-Tock track like they seem to promise, 10nm Atom will follow quite shortly after Broxton while other companies have to wait and wait for TSMC's or Samsung's 2nd generation FinFET in 2018.

TSMC is planning 10nm HVM in late 2016 with revenue really coming in during 2017; Samsung is probably on a similar cadence.

Expecting 2018 for 10nm from either foundry seems too pessimistic.
 

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TSMC is planning 10nm HVM in late 2016 with revenue really coming in during 2017; Samsung is probably on a similar cadence.

Expecting 2018 for 10nm from either foundry seems too pessimistic.

I don't get this number out of thin air. You can take a look at my source and decide for yourself: http://seekingalpha.com/article/209...dvantage-is-just-qualitative-not-quantitative.

Ms. Elizabeth Sun, Director, TSMC Corporate Communication Division

Dear Jeff,

Thank you for your message. Regarding your question about the area scaling chart, the plot is qualitative since no one has the actual data. That said, the 15% area scaling from 20nm to 16FF is made possible by optimizing our 16FF rules to provide smaller cells which can reduce chip area. Meanwhile, I would like to point out one dimension that has not been captured in this graph, and that will be "timing" for the nodes. The reason the area gain on 16FF vs. 20 SoC is smaller compared to other node-to-node transition is because we have decided to leverage our 20SoC product ramp experience and make 16FF ready sooner. Please note that the timing difference between our 20SoC risk production and 16FF risk production is only one year (instead of the typical 2 year gap). However, we will be very aggressive on 10nm in density and performance, which is captured on the graph. Currently, in our roadmap, 10nm will follow 16FF in 2 years. I hope the above clarification is helpful.

Best, Elizabeth

Mid-2015 HVM of 16FF + 2 years = Mid-2017 which equates to availability in 2018. Seems reasonable since 28->20 took almost 3 years.
 
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I don't get this number out of thin air. You can take a look at my source and decide for yourself: http://seekingalpha.com/article/209...dvantage-is-just-qualitative-not-quantitative.



Mid-2015 HVM of 16FF + 2 years = Mid-2017 which equates to availability in 2018. Seems reasonable since 28->20 took almost 3 years.

They have recently pulled in the schedule. They're expecting risk production by EOY 2015 for HVM in late 2016.

Whether they hit this goal or not isn't clear, but that's the "official" line.
 

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Roland00Address > yeah it's far from perfect when it comes to the screen but i always prefer a real computer not some sub-computer android cr*p with apps for noobs :hmm: . Still a nice price though.

i'm waiting for cherry trail anyway, my messia covertible with with 24 hoursbattery life and 13,3" decent ips screen will come one day (in b4 yeah keep dreamin' haha)
 
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