The Intel Atom Thread

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VirtualLarry

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Sounds like all your problems are because of Microsoft software, which I think is the complete opposite of the point of buying something with Linux. Your stick is telling you that you're a jackass. :awe:

Uhm, I waited 10 minutes, and the included Ubuntu didn't even boot in that time. I tried Mint, it wouldn't install.

At the very least, the Microsoft software will install and boot. Something that Linux wouldn't do on my device.

Edit: I meant, without hacking bootloaders.

Edit: Managed to shoehorn Mint 17.2 64-bit MATE onto a Compute Stick, using bootia32.efi trick. Still no HDMI audio out.
 
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jhu

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Uhm, I waited 10 minutes, and the included Ubuntu didn't even boot in that time. I tried Mint, it wouldn't install.

At the very least, the Microsoft software will install and boot. Something that Linux wouldn't do on my device.

Have you tried the Debian multi-arch installer? You can install 64-bit Debian even with 32-bit UEFI. I have an ASUS EeeBook X205TA laptop that has the same Atom Z3735F chip, and it works pretty well.
 

unclewebb

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But continuous loads, like a Skype video conversation, cause it to throttle down to 0.24Ghz. Ruining the call.

Have you tried using ThrottleStop 8.00? phonixner on NBR managed to significantly improve the performance of his Bay Trail Z3735D.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-306#post-10007257

If anyone has a Cherry Trail CPU, send me a message so I can add ThrottleStop support for it.

ThrottleStop 8.00
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0dpSo9k93jDTE1fcHNtbUMwdGc
 

VirtualLarry

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Have you tried using ThrottleStop 8.00? phonixner on NBR managed to significantly improve the performance of his Bay Trail Z3735D.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-306#post-10007257

If anyone has a Cherry Trail CPU, send me a message so I can add ThrottleStop support for it.

ThrottleStop 8.00
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0dpSo9k93jDTE1fcHNtbUMwdGc

Interesting. I'm a bit concerned using that as a solution - won't the CPU overheat? It gets to 3 away from TJmax, even throttled down to 0.24Ghz.

Edit: Some of the significant heat buildup also comes from the wifi hardware, which Skype puts a constant load on.
 
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unclewebb

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... - won't the CPU overheat?

It might. If there is a heatsink, is there any way to do some surgery and replace the thermal paste or tighten it up so it makes better contact with the CPU? 3 degrees away from TJ Max doesn't give a person much wiggle room.
 

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oh just spotted new asus lap with Atom x5-Z8500 14nm cherrytrail

will watch, twice gpu power, h265 support nice
 
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dark zero

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oh just spotted new asus lap with Atom x5-Z8500 14nm cherrytrail

will watch, twice gpu power, h265 support nice
Errr.... Seeing the Skylake Celeron comming... Why I need to go to an Atom?

Also... OEMs going retarded once again...

Waiting a Atom x3 on a 17" laptop.
 

Sweepr

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New Cherry Trail and Braswell design wins, including a gaming tablet:

Asus EeeBook E202 budget notebook hits the FCC



The Asus EeeBook E202 is budget laptop with an 11.6 inch, 1366 x 768 pixel display and an Intel Braswell processor.

Asus introduced the little laptop at the Computex trade show in June. This week it passed through the FCC website, which could be a sign that the Asus EeeBook E202 is coming to America soon.

Asus hasn’t announced the price for the notebook yet, but since it’s part of the EeeBook family, it’ll likely be cheap: The Asus EeeBook X205TA currently sells for $200 or less.

The demo unit on display at Computex featured an Intel Pentium N3700 quad-core processor, 4GB of RAM, and a 500GB hard drive. But according to a listing I found at the Energy Star website, it looks like Asus may also have a model with an Intel Celeron chip. I wouldn’t be surprised if entry-level models also have less RAM or storage than the demo unit shown at Computex.

http://liliputing.com/2015/08/asus-eeebook-e202-budget-notebook-hits-the-fcc.html

Acer Aspire One Cloudbook with Windows now available for $190



Acer’s first “Cloudbook” series laptop is now available for purchase. The Cloudbook family of products are low-cost Windows laptops with the sorts of specs (and price tags) we’ve come to associated with laptops running Google Chrome OS in recent years. But these computer ship with Windows 10 software.

Some models will be priced as low as $170, but right now you can pick up a $190 Acer Aspire One Cloudbook with an 11.6 inch display, 2GB of RAM, and 32GB of storage.

This model features an 11.6 inch, 1366 x 768 pixel display, an Intel Celeron N3050 dual-core Braswell processor, and it comes with a free 1-year subscription to Microsoft Office 365 Personal.

http://liliputing.com/2015/08/acer-aspire-one-cloudbook-with-windows-now-available-for-190.html

Acer to launch 1st gaming tablet

Acer has begun production of its first gaming tablet equipped with an Intel Atom Z8700 processor and 8-inch touch screen for launch in the third or fourth quarter of 2015, according to Taiwan-based supply chain makers.

Although the gaming tablet is only expected to achieve limited sales, Acer is looking to raise its recognition in the gaming market via the device.

Demand for tablets has been dropping rapidly and Digitimes Research expects brand and white-box tablets to both suffer from over 10% on-year declines in 2015. To differentiate from other tablet devices, Asustek Computer has recently started promoting its ZenPads' ability to watch TV programs.

In April, Acer announced plans to release a series of gaming products under the Predator brand, and one of the products is the gaming tablet.

www.digitimes.com/news/a20150821PD204.html

Related news:


Smartphone growth on the decline




While the PC market has seen declining growth in recent years, smartphones have generally been a bright spot: phone makers have been selling more smartphones each year than the last. But that kind of growth might not last much longer.

Research from Gartner shows a slowdown in the worldwide growth rate of smartphone sales. Sure, with an estimated 330 million units sold in the second quarter of 2015, phone makers sold more smartphones than a year earlier.

But that still represents the slowest growth rate since 2013.

http://liliputing.com/2015/08/smartphone-market-decline.html
 

trivik12

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Broxton turned out to be the biggest no show at IDF this year. May be Intel is losing interest. Pity as moorestown showed it had potential. if Intel could have been aggressive in launching broxton it could have been competitive. Then with 10 mm and some magic with 3d xpoint they could have had the best smartphone platform and targeted high end. Plus they could have created a windows 10 phone/tablet/laptop hybrid device.
 

witeken

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You say "could have", but 10nm isn't even here. Broxton wil launch in any case on the best process node in existence. Sure, pity that it's going so slow and it doesn't compete against even weaker nodes, but that's not too big of a deal. And once they have Broxton and Sofia, once the modem is on their own process, new versions can be released at a fast clip. I'm sure that Intel has the Atom pipeline full for a smooth Tick-Tock cadence.
 

trivik12

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You say "could have", but 10nm isn't even here. Broxton wil launch in any case on the best process node in existence. Sure, pity that it's going so slow and it doesn't compete against even weaker nodes, but that's not too big of a deal. And once they have Broxton and Sofia, once the modem is on their own process, new versions can be released at a fast clip. I'm sure that Intel has the Atom pipeline full for a smooth Tick-Tock cadence.

its so late that intel will keep playing catch up to rivals. Intel has never met the exalted expectations that had been put on Atom. when Silverthorne was launched in early 2008, moorestown was the big thing and expected to release late 2009. That was late and was a non starter(dont even remember it launched in any retail device). Then intel said they will catch up with medfield and take a lead with 22nm. Again no where close. couple of years back I remember seeing a roadmap where cherry trail was supposed to launch 2014 and willow trail( gen 9) was supposed to launch by end of 2014. for phones morganfield was predicted late 2014. Cherry Trail did not even hit the clockspeeds mentioned.

So I will be skeptical about Intel mobile efforts until they hit it out of the park. Considering broadwell/skylake did not meet the expectations set earlier( rumors being skylake as big a jump as prescott to conroe).
 

witeken

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its so late that intel will keep playing catch up to rivals. Intel has never met the exalted expectations that had been put on Atom. when Silverthorne was launched in early 2008, moorestown was the big thing and expected to release late 2009. That was late and was a non starter(dont even remember it launched in any retail device). Then intel said they will catch up with medfield and take a lead with 22nm. Again no where close. couple of years back I remember seeing a roadmap where cherry trail was supposed to launch 2014 and willow trail( gen 9) was supposed to launch by end of 2014. for phones morganfield was predicted late 2014. Cherry Trail did not even hit the clockspeeds mentioned.

So I will be skeptical about Intel mobile efforts until they hit it out of the park. Considering broadwell/skylake did not meet the expectations set earlier( rumors being skylake as big a jump as prescott to conroe).
It isn't because so far they haven't been successful because of various reasons, that they'll never be. Brian Krzanich made it very clear that he wants to be in this space. Sofia 14nm when it launches in H2'16 should be an outstanding SoC for the low-end. Intel has a process lead and they already have an outstanding architecture that becomes more suitable for mobile with every Tick and Tock. I don't worry long term, but in the short term things are indeed still ugly.
 

dark zero

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It isn't because so far they haven't been successful because of various reasons, that they'll never be. Brian Krzanich made it very clear that he wants to be in this space. Sofia 14nm when it launches in H2'16 should be an outstanding SoC for the low-end. Intel has a process lead and they already have an outstanding architecture that becomes more suitable for mobile with every Tick and Tock. I don't worry long term, but in the short term things are indeed still ugly.
By that moment the A53 will be the lowest standard and the Quad Core would be the most basic chip avaliable.
 

Sweepr

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Finally Cherry Trail-T's version of ASUS T100:

Asus T100HA 2-in-1 with Atom x5 coming soon for €299 (in Europe, obviously)



The Asus Transformer Book T100 line of 2-in-1 laptops have been pretty popular over the last few years, thanks to a combination of compact size, decent performance, and a great price. Originally priced at $399 and up, these days you can often find this 10 inch tablet with a detachable keyboard dock for around half that price.

Now Asus is getting ready to launch the biggest update to its Transformer Book T100 since it launched nearly two years ago.

In June the company unveiled the Transformer Book T100HA with an Intel Atom Cherry Trail processor and a USB Type-C port. Now it’s up for pre-order in France for €299 ($340)and up. It’ll probably be cheaper when it comes to the US, where there’s no VAT attached to prices.

http://liliputing.com/2015/08/asus-t100ha-2-in-1-with-atom-x5-coming-soon-for-e299.html

Asus EeeBox E410 is a fanless mini PC with Intel Braswell



Asus is updating its EeeBox line of small desktop computers with a new model sporting an Intel Celeron N3150 “Braswell” quad-core processor and a fanless design. The EeeBox E410 also supports up to two displays, 4K video playback, and the desktop should be available soon.

Asus introduced the first EeeBox in 2008, when it was marketed as a low-cost, small form-factor desktop with specs similar to those you would find in a netbook. Over the years, Asus spruced up the EeeBox family every now and again with more powerful hardware, while the Eee PC line of netbooks faded into history, but for the past few years the company’s EeeBox mini-desktops have been sold as commercial products rather than consumer devices.

That said, the new model does look like it’d make a decent low-power desktop. It supports up to 8GB of RAM, up to 1TB of hard drive storage or up to 128GB of solid state storage, features HDMI, VGA, and Ethernet jacks, and has mic, headphone, two USB 3.0 and two USB 2.0 ports. There’s also a Serial port and an external antenna and the system supports Gigabit Ethernet and 802.11ac WiFi.

http://liliputing.com/2015/08/asus-eeebox-e410-is-a-fanless-mini-pc-with-intel-braswell.html

AnandTech's ECS LIVA x2 Review: A Compact & Fanless Braswell PC



The popularity of the NUC form factor has led to a resurgence in the nettop category. Thankfully, the core computing performance of the new systems has been miles ahead of the nettops of the past, and this has created an overall positive sentiment for the ultra-compact form factor (UCFF) in the minds of the consumers. While Intel, GIGABYTE, Zotac and ASRock have based their UCFF systems roughly on motherboards with similar size and features, ECS has been attempting to differentiate with fanless systems using Mini Lake boards and custom-designed chassis in their LIVA series. The feature set and pricing of the LIVA units make it target the developing and cost-sensitive markets. We have already reviewed two of their Bay Trail-based systems, the original LIVA and the LIVA X. Intel's Bay Trail SoCs, based on the Silvermont x86 cores and fabricated in a 22nm process, are power-efficient enough to deliver usable fanless PCs. In migrating Bay Trail down to a 14nm process, Intel also managed to bring up the graphics performance while retaining a similar thermal envelop. While Bay Trail-T migrates to 14nm under the Cherry Trail nomenclature, Bay Trail-M and Bay Trail-D (the Pentiums and Celerons) come under Braswell. The ECS LIVA x2 is based on the Intel Celeron N3050, a Braswell SoC.

The LIVA x2 is ECS's biggest and heaviest LIVA yet. Coming in at 156 x 83 x 51 mm, the unit feels quite solid in hand, despite the plastic exterior. The solidity is in part due to the heavy heat sink inside the unit. There are no sharp edges, which is a plus in our opinion. The unit, however, comes only in pearl white with a silver trim. Subjectively speaking, it brings down the appeal of the unit compared to the construction. I personally prefer the black finish of the LIVA and LIVA X reviewed earlier.

www.anandtech.com/show/9554/ecs-liva-x2-review-a-compact-fanless-braswell-pc
 

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Minix unveils a mini PC with Intel Braswell



Tiny PC maker Minix has been offering Android-powered TV boxes for a few years, and at the start of 2015 the company launched a model with an Intel Atom Bay Trail processor and support for Windows.

Now Minix plans to launch a new model with a more powerful processor based on Intel’s Braswell architecture. The new Minix Z-series mini PCs will ship with Windows 10 64-bit software and feature compact, fanless cases that are small enough to hold in one hand.

Minix will unveil more details at the IFA trade show in September, but here’s what we know thanks to a recent Facebook post from the company:

Two models will be available: one with a Celeron N3150 processor and another with a higher-performance Pentium N3700 chip.
The computers have a metal alloy case
Ports include HDMI, DisplayPort, S/PDIF, DisplayPort, headset, and three USB 3.0 connectors.
There are two removable, adjustable antennas.

Minix hasn’t announced the price or release date for the new Minix Z-series mini PCs.

http://liliputing.com/2015/08/minix-unveils-a-mini-pc-with-intel-braswell.html

Pentium N3700 (Braswell 4C/4T + 16 EUs iGPU) version of HP Pavilion X360 11 on sale in Italy, Core M-6Y30 (Skylake Y 2C/4T + 24 EUs) version coming soon.

http://notebookitalia.it/hp-pavilion-x360-11-intel-braswell-prezzo-vendita-italia-22258

Not sure if I already posted, there's an updated Windows 10 version of Teclast X98 based on Cherry Trail-T now:



9.7 inch, 2048 x 1536 pixel IPS display
Intel Atom X5-Z8500 quad-core Cherry Trail processor
4GB RAM
64GB eMMC storage
microSD card slot for up to 64GB of removable storage
802.11b/g/n WiFi
Bluetooth 4.0
5MP rear and 2MP front cameras
Micro HDMI port
Stereo speakers
8,000 mAh battery

www.geekbuying.com/item/Teclast-X98...-64G-HDMI-Bluetooth-WiFi---Sliver-350953.html
www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-Te...2443786481.html?spm=2114.031010208.3.2.Pt16hH
 

Sweepr

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Intel quietly introduces Atom Z3590 processor

Earlier this quarter, Intel quitely released an Atom Z3590 system on a chip for smartphones. The new processor packs 4 "Silvermont" CPU cores and PowerVR graphics on a single die, manufactured on 22nm technology. Although the Atom Z3590 is not based on Intel's latest ultra-mobile microarchitecture, codenamed Cherry Trail, it offers noticeably better performance compared to other members of Z3500 series. Its maximum GPU frequency has been increased to 640 MHz, or by 20% compared to the former flagship Z3580 SoC. What's more, the maximum CPU burst frequency has been upped to 2.5 GHz, or by 7%.

www.cpu-world.com/news_2015/2015090101_Intel_quietly_introduces_Atom_Z3590_processor.html

Last hurrah before Broxton? ASUS should update the Zenfone 2 with this chip. Talking about ASUS...


Asus Announces the VivoStick PC - A Cherry Trail Compute Stick



Asus's first foray into this form factor comes with the 14nm Cherry Trail platform. Unlike Intel's Compute Stick, the Asus VivoStick appears to have a good industrial design. The main differences between the Bay Trail-T Compute Stick that we have already reviewed and the VivoStick PC being announced today are:

Removal of microSD slot
Windows 10 Home instead of Windows 8.1 with Bing
eMCP (multi-chip package) integrating 2 GB of DDR3L and 32 GB of flash memory in a single package, thereby reducing the board area
1x USB 3.0 port

www.anandtech.com/show/9590/asus-announces-the-vivostick-pc-a-cherry-trail-compute-stick

$129 MSRP.
 

dark zero

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Not sure why you keep spamming this thread with this nonsense. If your intention was humor, it stopped being funny a long time ago.
There are any sense from the OEMs?
Putting tablet chips on laptops and screwing the U tier... Even the Celeron or Pentium H tier. So... Why not putting phone chips on the laptops?

Also... Since the fans are getting a debut on Acer phones.. Maybe time to put a core i3 U on a Phone...
 

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Asus Announces the VivoStick PC - A Cherry Trail Compute Stick





www.anandtech.com/show/9590/asus-announces-the-vivostick-pc-a-cherry-trail-compute-stick

$129 MSRP.


I'm assuming they are going to be using the Z8300 in these? If that was the case, it would be a decent upgrade on the GPU side with the GEN 8 HD graphics with 12EUs over the Z3735F in the Compute stick. With a USB to Ethernet adapter and the fact the Z8300 has Quick Sync, it should be a decent little STEAM In-Home streaming device.

Also, I don't see an opening for a fan. I know a lot of people didn't like the fact the Intel Compute Stick had active cooling, but it was necessary to keep it from throttling.
 

witeken

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So what does Intel have to compete against Kryo? A delayed & slower Broxton? You'd start hoping that Qualcomm moved from TSMC to Intel instead of Samsung.
 
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So what does Intel have to compete against Kryo? A delayed & slower Broxton? You'd start hoping that Qualcomm moved from TSMC to Intel instead of Samsung.

Qualcomm moved to Samsung, not to Intel. If they did, Intel would have baked into their financial guidance pretty material revenue from Qualcomm foundry business.
 
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