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mikk

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Keep in mind they are only getting that score by upping the TDP beyond what you could reasonably put in a smartphone. Or a tablet really.


This is not true, TDP remains unchanged basically compared to Braswell. If you are trying to compare desktop or mobile SKUs it does not work because they have of course a higher TDP. These are not aimed for Smartphones.
 
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Agreed, but considering that Intel could scale it well down... they could reach ARM A72 levels at 14 nm.

I am sincere, Intel did the WORST mistake eliminating Broxton. They had Asus as a major client and they could get some more like Xiaomi or Acer on their group if they continued in that path.

I would bought an Intel based phone if those had 4 A72 level cores. Broxton managed that levels.... with A57 power consumption.

Intel probably had no customers for Broxton, which is why they didn't bother.
 

dealcorn

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Intel had to shut the door on Broxton to open the door for smartphone foundry business. From a strategic perspective, the foundry business is more attractive if Intel can leverage this business to slow competing fabs advanced process node investments. Channel conflicts are a problem best avoided.
 

dark zero

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Intel had to shut the door on Broxton to open the door for smartphone foundry business. From a strategic perspective, the foundry business is more attractive if Intel can leverage this business to slow competing fabs advanced process node investments. Channel conflicts are a problem best avoided.
Well... they could gave the licence of the x86 phones to Rockchip. Borxton was a promising platform... SoFIA was the one who killed Intel.
 
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Well... they could gave the licence of the x86 phones to Rockchip. Borxton was a promising platform... SoFIA was the one who killed Intel.

You keep repeating this, but I'm telling you: if there were a market for Broxton, they wouldn't have cancelled it. It was too late and had no customers, so the product was canned. Plain and simple.
 

VirtualLarry

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Apollo Lake on sale in Japan!

http://www.1-s.jp/products/detail/154152 (Celeron J3455)
http://www.1-s.jp/products/detail/154151 (Pentium J4205)

That's good news. I'm waiting for a Brix unit.

That said, I'm a bit frustrated with my J1900 Brix unit's performance, with Windows 7 64-bit and Waterfox 49.0.2. The new "multiprocess windowing" feature seems to speed things up, when you first start the browser, but if you keep the browser running, as I do, for weeks at a time, it really gets bogged down a lot more than prior non-multi-threaded versions. It also grows to eat in excess of 8GB of memory, over time. Ouch!

If it didn't have the RAM bloat / heap thrashing issue, then it might be more viable.

That said, I want a small mini-PC that I can mount behind my monitor, and run fairly quiet, with decent performance.

The VESA mounting kit for the ASRock DeskMini STX box was just released. It looks like I'll be moving to that platform. Plus, those new Intel 600p M.2 PCI-E NVMe SSDs are fairly cheap, for client-oriented PCI-E M.2 drives.

The G4400, even not overclocked, is so much snappier than the J1900, even with a multi-threaded browser.

The only downside is, it's not going to be easy to be able to shoe-horn Win7 64-bit onto a Skylake platform, that does NOT have a SATA DVD drive.
 

ninaholic37

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That said, I'm a bit frustrated with my J1900 Brix unit's performance, with Windows 7 64-bit and Waterfox 49.0.2. The new "multiprocess windowing" feature seems to speed things up, when you first start the browser, but if you keep the browser running, as I do, for weeks at a time, it really gets bogged down a lot more than prior non-multi-threaded versions. It also grows to eat in excess of 8GB of memory, over time. Ouch!

If it didn't have the RAM bloat / heap thrashing issue, then it might be more viable.
I think you can type about:memory in the url and do garbage collecting whenever but YMMV. I just close and reopen tbh.
 

Sweepr

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Teclast plans to launch tablets with Apollo Lake chips

Chinese device maker Teclast has announced it’s replacing a number of its tablets with new models, including several with Intel Celeron N3450 Apollo Lake processors. There’s also at least one model on the way which has a Core i5 processor, although it’s not clear which i5 chip it will have.

Teclast’s press releases about the new tablets are still pretty vague, but they do suggest that the goal is to refresh its tablet lineup with new, more powerful models...

https://liliputing.com/2016/10/teclast-plans-launch-tablets-apollo-lake-chips.html

Great news. Hope others follow.
 

witeken

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Intel's Other segment of CCG, which includes their modem, went up 53% to $634M. So they're getting some decent bucks from their Apple design win.
 

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Do amd or intel have low power cpus (that can be cooled passively) that would support hevc 10 bit and vp9 ?

I'm looking at apollo lake, but it doesn't appear to support that (maybe it can do 10 bit with gpu ?)

On the amd front, something like stoney ridge would be possible (that apparently supports hevc 10 bit) but i have yet to see mini pcs or motherboards with those.

My little z3735f is showing it's age and soon it will have to be replaced. I would have done so already with some android tv box (that supports all of the above for very low price) but sadly i needs something with x86, so it can run windows.
 

hojnikb

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Intel says it supports 10 bit HEVC decoding in hardware.


Thats perfect if true. Now all i have to wait is actual mini pcs, that use these chips.

Was actually looking at zotac ci523 which would also fit the bill (although it does use gpu accelerated hi10 hevc)
 

evident

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Are these cpus finally faster than core 2 duos yet? atoms have always been garbage as desktops and laptops- barely usable in light workloads.
 
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Linux 64-bit Comparison:

- Atom T5700 (up to 2.4 GHz)
Geekbench 4 Single-Core: 1800

- Pentium N3700 (up to 2.4 GHz) - Highest Score
Geekbench 4 Single-Core: 1141

Nice IPC bump from Goldmont, even if we consider AES.

Goldmont looks like a competent low-power x86 core!
 
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