Compute Sticks? Yawn. Isn't that sort of like jousting at windmills?
They just don't have the mass for cooling properly, due to space reasons.
They just don't have the mass for cooling properly, due to space reasons.
I think rumors pointing to MS working on running x86 on ARM are much more credible than an existing Surface Phone running with an Intel laptop class CPU ;-)Older rumor but probably worth posting:
www.nextpowerup.com/news/31430/possible-first-renders-of-microsoft-surface-phone-packs-a-laptop-class-intel-processor
It would probably take Ice Lake to get Core inside a phone, but interesting concept.
I think rumors pointing to MS working on running x86 on ARM are much more credible than an existing Surface Phone running with an Intel laptop class CPU ;-)
Did you notice how I worded my statement?The same was said some years ago when even a tablet SKU in a 5W range was a dream. It turned out wrong with Broadwell.
I think rumors pointing to MS working on running x86 on ARM are much more credible than an existing Surface Phone running with an Intel laptop class CPU ;-)
I think with Apollo Lake, TDP is higher too? Maybe this will be the first time Core M will be better suited for Compute Sticks.Compute Sticks? Yawn. Isn't that sort of like jousting at windmills?
They just don't have the mass for cooling properly, due to space reasons.
Core 2 levels at last. It might be worthy to test it.So, notebookcheck reviewed an Apollo laptop... Welp
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Aspire-ES1-332-P91H-Notebook-Review.186688.0.html
About 10% faster in multi thread than N3710, 20% in single thread
Compute Sticks? Yawn. Isn't that sort of like jousting at windmills?
They just don't have the mass for cooling properly, due to space reasons.
Cooling isn't an issue on the compute sticks. While Cherry Trail is the hottest and the most power hungry, around 10-13w at the wall, they still don't thermal throttle. Maybe with IBT + Furmark, they will, but that's far from normal usage. The fact is Bay Trail, Cherry Trail, and Core M are in many non-active cooling tablets, and the fact the Compute sticks all have active cooling helps with temps drastically.
Baloney. My MeegoPad T02 Compute Sticks with Bay Trail Atom quad-cores, thermal throttled down to 0.25Ghz, when on a Skype conversation, and attempting to web browse at the same time.
To say that compute sticks "don't" thermal throttle, is laughable.
If you notice, my comment about Compute Sticks didn't specify Intel compute sticks. I was talking in general, as my experience was that the entire compute stick category sucks, because of thermal issues.
And as a matter of fact, yes, I would like to have you test an Intel-branded compute stick, with Windows, Skype, and Firefox. Have a 15-20 minute conversation on Skype (video chat), and be browsing in multiple tabs in Firefox (Newegg, this forum, etc.)
Use realtemp to monitor temps and current frequency.
Tell me what it thermal-throttles down to (lowest frequency).
Now that I read this article, it seems pointless to do the Skype test.
This is running Prime95, then Prime95 + Furmark, and still no thermal throttling on the Z3735F Intel compute stick.
"The cores burst up to 1.83 GHz for a few seconds, before settling down to 1.58 GHz during the pure CPU loading process. The core temperature plateaus around 76 C, while power consumption at the wall is slightly more than 6 W. With thee GPU also loaded, the temperature reaches 80 and the power consumption is closer to 9 W. However, the CPU and GPU frequencies adjust themselves to be within the power budget. The cores run at 1.3 GHz while the GPU is clocked at slightly more than 300 MHz. Removing the CPU load brings temperatures back to 75 C and power consumption to less than 7 W. The CPU cores idle at 500 MHz, while the GPU clocks in around 440 MHz"
Ok, thanks, that's good enough, you don't have to test it. CPU cores throttle down to 1.3Ghz, I guess. With Skype running, though, I wonder if it would allocate more power to the GPU, and throttle the CPU more?
While I no longer use my two MeegoPad T02 Compute Sticks, I also own other Bay Trail devices. Several Winbook TW700 tablets from Microcenter, an HP Stream 7, a Lenovo IdeaPad 100s 11.6" CloudBook, and a few Gigabyte Brix with J1900.
The Winbook and HP Stream 7 aren't actively cooled, to my knowledge, but they can still Skype for quite a while without any noticeable throttling, and the Brix J1900 units have a fan, and they don't throttle at all. Only the Compute Sticks that I've had, throttle way, way, down, and overheat really badly.
So, maybe the Intel Compute Sticks are better, having active cooling, but my belief is that the small form-factor, doesn't allow for the necessary metal mass needed for a decent heatsink. (Like the tablets, evidently have.)
Edit: I should mention, I define "thermal throttling", as running at any clock speed lower than maximum burst speed 100% of the time, due to thermal margins.
So, by that definition, and the example that you posted, they do indeed thermal throttle, slightly.
Edit: If you think my definition of "thermal throttling" is incorrect, due to base clock being lower than burst, then just think of it as "less than the maximum performance possible, due to thermal margin".
http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/Notebooks/Acer/Aspire_ES1-332-P91H/dxvachecker.PNG
Apollo Lake hardware decoder supports HEVC Main10 up to 8K resolution, matching Kaby Lake in capability. Too bad no VP9 10bit Profile2 hardware decoding support, only VP9 Profile0 8bit.