The Islamic thread

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: BBond
Well, the people who are taking credit for getting George Bush elected believe in a literal translation of the Old and New Testaments of the Bible. They believe every word of the Bible is the word directly from God. So they embrace the barbarity, right? Maybe that's why they find it so easy to excuse the barbarity America is committing right now in Iraq.

You single out all of Islam for criticism when every religion has its radicals and in the hands of radicals every religion has, is, and will again be barbaric.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought many Christians did not see the Bible as the literal word of God as directly sent by God. Some do, but most do not, right or wrong?

In addition I highly doubt that this group of people you are talking about are solely responsible for the election of George W. Bush.

If these people want to do whatever crazy things that are in their thousands of old year documents or ideas that include stuff like killing homosexuals, atheists, or murdering children that have sex, then yes, they are barbaric and their laws should never be passed.

No, I don't single out Islam. As I said, any system of laws that is direct and literal from a thousand plus year old document or ideas is going to be outdated, cruel, and barbaric in today's times. People should practice Islam just as people practice Christianity and anything else. However, a country's laws should not be a direct and literal form of each religion's respective laws. Do you agree or disagree?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: hatim
Made up stuff...Mass enocided LOL!!

You are not civilized btw. You donot know how to go about a debate even. You can live in the darkness of barbarism for all I care....And then when I think what I want you want to "eliminate" me!!

And what about the millions of people your government has killed in the name of freeom? Is that "civilized" and "educated" ?? If not why don't you do something about it? Thats because you are oppressed!!

Yes, you have stated your support of 'proper executions' (as you put it) for atheists since you believe that atheists think that they are God, which doesn't even make sense. You have also stated that homosexuals should be thrown off of cliffs with a boulder following them.

That is clearly a solid example of barbarism.

What about the millions of people your government does not allow to vote? Oh, that's pretty normal where you are. And your government has never killed anyone...sure it hasn't. Pakistan - that great country that does so much!

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I think educated people will not follow by laws that do not make sense in today's time.

obviosuly nothing will make sense unless you study it.... e=mc^2 ???You won't understand if you don't know whats it all about....

 

[BBond]

I don't believe most Christians believe the Bible is the literal word of God. I'm referring to the "radical" Christians who do.

I doubt they are solely responsible for electing George Bush, I said they believe they are responsible and I beleive they do.

I believe in total and complete separation of chruch and state. But the current administration obviously doesn't believe as I do. That's the point I'm trying to make. Islam has its own "radicals" and Christianity has its own "radicals" too. Currently, the Christian radicals are in power here in the USA so I find it difficult to criticize Islam while we are all, apparently, in the same boat.

It's matter of perspective. A religious theory of relativity. Our view in relation to it changes our perception of it.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
in the end the claim that women and men are different is just an excuse for oppression through islamic law. in the end it must be competely separated from the state. it is no basis for any decent law ...and the apologists just need to stop it. its like trying to reform slavery, its just better to throw it out. islamic law is fundamentally intolerant of atheists/agnostics..any religion other then the few it mentions(not that its that tolerant of those either)..and of course homosexuals. it should not be tolerated.

Agreed. Any set of laws completely derived from thousand plus year old documents is likely to be barbaric and cruel in today's time.

From what I have read of Islamic Law, it is intolerant and very cruel.

Have you read the Old Testament?

No. Why?

Well, if you want to talk about intolerance and cruelty the Old Testament would make a very good case study in both.

Absolutely. It falls under the category of 'thousand plus year old documents' and such.

Would you want your laws to be direct and literal from the Old Testament or Islamic Law?

Well, the people who are taking credit for getting George Bush elected believe in a literal translation of the Old and New Testaments of the Bible. They believe every word of the Bible is the word directly from God. So they embrace the barbarity, right? Maybe that's why they find it so easy to excuse the barbarity America is committing right now in Iraq.

You single out all of Islam for criticism when every religion has its radicals and in the hands of radicals every religion has, is, and will again be barbaric.

you must be really naive

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: BBond
I don't believe most Christians believe the Bible is the literal word of God. I'm referring to the "radical" Christians who do.

I doubt they are solely responsible for electing George Bush, I said they believe they are responsible and I beleive they do.

I was under the assumption that this group is relatively small. Do you have any idea how large it is?

I believe in total and complete separation of chruch and state. But the current administration obviously doesn't believe as I do. That's the point I'm trying to make. Islam has its own "radicals" and Christianity has its own "radicals" too.

Obviously. You seem to be trying to argue about something completely different than what I am arguing about. I was responding about a post that states that Islamic Law is wrong to be implemented by the state - which I applied a general statement that applies to other religions and then stated Islamic Law falls under this general statement as that was who I was quoting and the title of this thread.

Currently, the Christian radicals are in power here in the USA so I find it difficult to criticize Islam while we are all, apparently, in the same boat.

That's nice, but I'm arguing against religious law being implemented literally by the government. Any religion's laws cannot be established literally by any government. It will result in cruel and intolerant behavior.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: BBond
I don't believe most Christians believe the Bible is the literal word of God. I'm referring to the "radical" Christians who do.

I doubt they are solely responsible for electing George Bush, I said they believe they are responsible and I beleive they do.

I believe in total and complete separation of chruch and state. But the current administration obviously doesn't believe as I do. That's the point I'm trying to make. Islam has its own "radicals" and Christianity has its own "radicals" too. Currently, the Christian radicals are in power here in the USA so I find it difficult to criticize Islam while we are all, apparently, in the same boat.

It's matter of perspective. A religious theory of relativity. Our view in relation to it changes our perception of it.

People like you disgust me, really. I mean how the heck can you compare Christian radicals, if there is such a thing, to mass murderers like the extremist muslims?? just wow. Please use some common sense.

There is a huge difference in believing something and then actually carrying it out.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond
I don't believe most Christians believe the Bible is the literal word of God. I'm referring to the "radical" Christians who do.

I doubt they are solely responsible for electing George Bush, I said they believe they are responsible and I beleive they do.

I believe in total and complete separation of chruch and state. But the current administration obviously doesn't believe as I do. That's the point I'm trying to make. Islam has its own "radicals" and Christianity has its own "radicals" too. Currently, the Christian radicals are in power here in the USA so I find it difficult to criticize Islam while we are all, apparently, in the same boat.

It's matter of perspective. A religious theory of relativity. Our view in relation to it changes our perception of it.

People like you disgust me, really. I mean how the heck can you compare Christian radicals, if there is such a thing, to mass murderers like the extremist muslims?? just wow. Please use some common sense.

There is a huge difference in believing something and then actually carrying it out.

But we're carrying out mass murder in the Middle East right now while being led by a madman who considers himself a Christian "fundamentalist".

When you recognize that fact the disgust you feel for me will be, I hope, directed in the proper direction.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond
I don't believe most Christians believe the Bible is the literal word of God. I'm referring to the "radical" Christians who do.

I doubt they are solely responsible for electing George Bush, I said they believe they are responsible and I beleive they do.

I believe in total and complete separation of chruch and state. But the current administration obviously doesn't believe as I do. That's the point I'm trying to make. Islam has its own "radicals" and Christianity has its own "radicals" too. Currently, the Christian radicals are in power here in the USA so I find it difficult to criticize Islam while we are all, apparently, in the same boat.

It's matter of perspective. A religious theory of relativity. Our view in relation to it changes our perception of it.

People like you disgust me, really. I mean how the heck can you compare Christian radicals, if there is such a thing, to mass murderers like the extremist muslims?? just wow. Please use some common sense.

There is a huge difference in believing something and then actually carrying it out.

But we're carrying out mass murder in the Middle East right now while being led by a madman who considers himself a Christian "fundamentalist".

When you recognize that fact the disgust you feel for me will be, I hope, directed in the proper direction.

Amazing. I just dont know where to begin.

"We're carrying out mass murder". That statement belonds in the Anandtech Hall of Fame. No really it does. Did you get that from al jazeera or some radical islamic website? or maybe your hatred of America is so strong that you feel that way. Bush is defending this nation with all he has. Madmen are people like Saddam, who is out of power thanks to Bush.

Have you recently converted to Islam?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond
I don't believe most Christians believe the Bible is the literal word of God. I'm referring to the "radical" Christians who do.

I doubt they are solely responsible for electing George Bush, I said they believe they are responsible and I beleive they do.

I believe in total and complete separation of chruch and state. But the current administration obviously doesn't believe as I do. That's the point I'm trying to make. Islam has its own "radicals" and Christianity has its own "radicals" too. Currently, the Christian radicals are in power here in the USA so I find it difficult to criticize Islam while we are all, apparently, in the same boat.

It's matter of perspective. A religious theory of relativity. Our view in relation to it changes our perception of it.

People like you disgust me, really. I mean how the heck can you compare Christian radicals, if there is such a thing, to mass murderers like the extremist muslims?? just wow. Please use some common sense.

There is a huge difference in believing something and then actually carrying it out.

But we're carrying out mass murder in the Middle East right now while being led by a madman who considers himself a Christian "fundamentalist".

When you recognize that fact the disgust you feel for me will be, I hope, directed in the proper direction.

Amazing. I just dont know where to begin.

"We're carrying out mass murder". That statement belonds in the Anandtech Hall of Fame. No really it does. Did you get that from al jazeera or some radical islamic website? or maybe your hatred of America is so strong that you feel that way. Bush is defending this nation with all he has. Madmen are people like Saddam, who is out of power thanks to Bush.

Have you recently converted to Islam?

Well Bush invaded Iraq on the same pretext of "defending the nation" that Osama Bin Laden attacked the twin towers on the pretext of "defending Islam" ....Doesn't make the two very different...Both killed innocent civilians who were not responsible for anything..... YOU ARE DISCRIMINATING BETWEEN AMERICANS AND NON AMERICANS... YOU THINK AMERICAN LIVES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN AFGHAN OR IRAQI LIVES.

Saddam was no threat to the world....And the killing and suffering during his reign wa partly due to america....They bought him into poewr in the first place. And then they impose sanctions leading to suffering more to the people than the government....

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond
I don't believe most Christians believe the Bible is the literal word of God. I'm referring to the "radical" Christians who do.

I doubt they are solely responsible for electing George Bush, I said they believe they are responsible and I beleive they do.

I believe in total and complete separation of chruch and state. But the current administration obviously doesn't believe as I do. That's the point I'm trying to make. Islam has its own "radicals" and Christianity has its own "radicals" too. Currently, the Christian radicals are in power here in the USA so I find it difficult to criticize Islam while we are all, apparently, in the same boat.

It's matter of perspective. A religious theory of relativity. Our view in relation to it changes our perception of it.

People like you disgust me, really. I mean how the heck can you compare Christian radicals, if there is such a thing, to mass murderers like the extremist muslims?? just wow. Please use some common sense.

There is a huge difference in believing something and then actually carrying it out.

But we're carrying out mass murder in the Middle East right now while being led by a madman who considers himself a Christian "fundamentalist".

When you recognize that fact the disgust you feel for me will be, I hope, directed in the proper direction.

Amazing. I just dont know where to begin.

"We're carrying out mass murder". That statement belonds in the Anandtech Hall of Fame. No really it does. Did you get that from al jazeera or some radical islamic website? or maybe your hatred of America is so strong that you feel that way. Bush is defending this nation with all he has. Madmen are people like Saddam, who is out of power thanks to Bush.

Have you recently converted to Islam?

Well Bush invaded Iraq on the same pretext of "defending the nation" that Osama Bin Laden attacked the twin towers on the pretext of "defending Islam" ....Doesn't make the two very different...Both killed innocent civilians who were not responsible for anything..... YOU ARE DISCRIMINATING BETWEEN AMERICANS AND NON AMERICANS... YOU THINK AMERICAN LIVES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN AFGHAN OR IRAQI LIVES.

Saddam was no threat to the world....And the killing and suffering during his reign wa partly due to america....They bought him into poewr in the first place. And then they impose sanctions leading to suffering more to the people than the government....

Lose those caps there buddy. Oh what, your shouting now?

Attack on Iraq was because Saddam failed to disarm. He posed a threat to us and our allies. End of story.

The difference between the two is that we don't kill innocent people with intent. Those evil monsters on 9/11 crashed those planes with the intent on murdering as many women, children and men as possible. I was in New York City that day. Will never ever forget that day. The mass hysteria caused by those scum of the earth.

The next day, the city was full of heavy mist, the smell of the rubble. The smell of people being burnt alive, and dead bodies. Those that were around NYC or in it know what I'm talking about.

I definately dont think American lives are more important than anyone else's lives. Thats why we liberated Afghanistan, to give the people there freedom. Look, they just had successful elections there recently all thanks to the USA.

 

[Aimster]

Raildogg,

Saddam posed a threat to us how Raildogg? When did Saddam ever attack the U.S?

BTW what were you doing in NYC that day? I find it hard to believe you were in NYC. I think you are making it up.

We didn't attack Afghanistan because we cared about the people. We don't care about the people of Afghanistan. We went in because of Osama.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Raildogg,

Saddam posed a threat to us how Raildogg? When did Saddam ever attack the U.S?

BTW what were you doing in NYC that day? I find it hard to believe you were in NYC. I think you are making it up.

We didn't attack Afghanistan because we cared about the people. We don't care about the people of Afghanistan. We went in because of Osama.

Before you make yourself look stupid again, I used to live in New York City. I moved to the south recently. Wow man dont comment on things you dont know about. Absurd.

Thats right, we attack Afghanistan to hunt for the dirty scum al qaeda and taliban. As a result of that, we gave freedom to the people there. I know things are definately not where we want in Afghanistan at the moment, with the people mainly living off of poppy seeds etc and exporting opium through the neighboring countries, which in turn travels to Europe. Anyways.

Saddam was pursuing nuclear weapons, if you dont believe that, read the book by Kadeer Hamza, the father of the Iraqi nuclear program who fled Iraq. It was only a matter of time before he got them.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond
I don't believe most Christians believe the Bible is the literal word of God. I'm referring to the "radical" Christians who do.

I doubt they are solely responsible for electing George Bush, I said they believe they are responsible and I beleive they do.

I believe in total and complete separation of chruch and state. But the current administration obviously doesn't believe as I do. That's the point I'm trying to make. Islam has its own "radicals" and Christianity has its own "radicals" too. Currently, the Christian radicals are in power here in the USA so I find it difficult to criticize Islam while we are all, apparently, in the same boat.

It's matter of perspective. A religious theory of relativity. Our view in relation to it changes our perception of it.

People like you disgust me, really. I mean how the heck can you compare Christian radicals, if there is such a thing, to mass murderers like the extremist muslims?? just wow. Please use some common sense.

There is a huge difference in believing something and then actually carrying it out.

But we're carrying out mass murder in the Middle East right now while being led by a madman who considers himself a Christian "fundamentalist".

When you recognize that fact the disgust you feel for me will be, I hope, directed in the proper direction.

Amazing. I just dont know where to begin.

"We're carrying out mass murder". That statement belonds in the Anandtech Hall of Fame. No really it does. Did you get that from al jazeera or some radical islamic website? or maybe your hatred of America is so strong that you feel that way. Bush is defending this nation with all he has. Madmen are people like Saddam, who is out of power thanks to Bush.

Have you recently converted to Islam?

Well Bush invaded Iraq on the same pretext of "defending the nation" that Osama Bin Laden attacked the twin towers on the pretext of "defending Islam" ....Doesn't make the two very different...Both killed innocent civilians who were not responsible for anything..... YOU ARE DISCRIMINATING BETWEEN AMERICANS AND NON AMERICANS... YOU THINK AMERICAN LIVES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN AFGHAN OR IRAQI LIVES.

Saddam was no threat to the world....And the killing and suffering during his reign wa partly due to america....They bought him into poewr in the first place. And then they impose sanctions leading to suffering more to the people than the government....

Lose those caps there buddy. Oh what, your shouting now?

Attack on Iraq was because Saddam failed to disarm. He posed a threat to us and our allies. End of story.

The difference between the two is that we don't kill innocent people with intent. Those evil monsters on 9/11 crashed those planes with the intent on murdering as many women, children and men as possible. I was in New York City that day. Will never ever forget that day. The mass hysteria caused by those scum of the earth.

The next day, the city was full of heavy mist, the smell of the rubble. The smell of people being burnt alive, and dead bodies. Those that were around NYC or in it know what I'm talking about.

I definately dont think American lives are more important than anyone else's lives. Thats why we liberated Afghanistan, to give the people there freedom. Look, they just had successful elections there recently all thanks to the USA.

"Attack on Iraq was because Saddam failed to disarm. He posed a threat to us and our allies. End of story." Prove it!

I definately dont think American lives are more important than anyone else's lives. - Then you will probably be with the most of the rest of the world in out rightly condemning the unjust murder of thousands of innocent Iraqis.


The next day, the city was full of heavy mist, the smell of the rubble. The smell of people being burnt alive, and dead bodies. Those that were around NYC or in it know what I'm talking about.
Imagne if you can the scene in Fallujah whe the US made their final push inside....

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond
I don't believe most Christians believe the Bible is the literal word of God. I'm referring to the "radical" Christians who do.

I doubt they are solely responsible for electing George Bush, I said they believe they are responsible and I beleive they do.

I believe in total and complete separation of chruch and state. But the current administration obviously doesn't believe as I do. That's the point I'm trying to make. Islam has its own "radicals" and Christianity has its own "radicals" too. Currently, the Christian radicals are in power here in the USA so I find it difficult to criticize Islam while we are all, apparently, in the same boat.

It's matter of perspective. A religious theory of relativity. Our view in relation to it changes our perception of it.

People like you disgust me, really. I mean how the heck can you compare Christian radicals, if there is such a thing, to mass murderers like the extremist muslims?? just wow. Please use some common sense.

There is a huge difference in believing something and then actually carrying it out.

But we're carrying out mass murder in the Middle East right now while being led by a madman who considers himself a Christian "fundamentalist".

When you recognize that fact the disgust you feel for me will be, I hope, directed in the proper direction.

Amazing. I just dont know where to begin.

"We're carrying out mass murder". That statement belonds in the Anandtech Hall of Fame. No really it does. Did you get that from al jazeera or some radical islamic website? or maybe your hatred of America is so strong that you feel that way. Bush is defending this nation with all he has. Madmen are people like Saddam, who is out of power thanks to Bush.

Have you recently converted to Islam?

Well Bush invaded Iraq on the same pretext of "defending the nation" that Osama Bin Laden attacked the twin towers on the pretext of "defending Islam" ....Doesn't make the two very different...Both killed innocent civilians who were not responsible for anything..... YOU ARE DISCRIMINATING BETWEEN AMERICANS AND NON AMERICANS... YOU THINK AMERICAN LIVES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN AFGHAN OR IRAQI LIVES.

Saddam was no threat to the world....And the killing and suffering during his reign wa partly due to america....They bought him into poewr in the first place. And then they impose sanctions leading to suffering more to the people than the government....

Lose those caps there buddy. Oh what, your shouting now?

Attack on Iraq was because Saddam failed to disarm. He posed a threat to us and our allies. End of story.

The difference between the two is that we don't kill innocent people with intent. Those evil monsters on 9/11 crashed those planes with the intent on murdering as many women, children and men as possible. I was in New York City that day. Will never ever forget that day. The mass hysteria caused by those scum of the earth.

The next day, the city was full of heavy mist, the smell of the rubble. The smell of people being burnt alive, and dead bodies. Those that were around NYC or in it know what I'm talking about.

I definately dont think American lives are more important than anyone else's lives. Thats why we liberated Afghanistan, to give the people there freedom. Look, they just had successful elections there recently all thanks to the USA.

"Attack on Iraq was because Saddam failed to disarm. He posed a threat to us and our allies. End of story." Prove it!

I definately dont think American lives are more important than anyone else's lives. - Then you will probably be with the most of the rest of the world in out rightly condemning the unjust murder of thousands of innocent Iraqis.


The next day, the city was full of heavy mist, the smell of the rubble. The smell of people being burnt alive, and dead bodies. Those that were around NYC or in it know what I'm talking about.
Imagne if you can the scene in Fallujah whe the US made their final push inside....

Completely different scenarios. In one scenario you had dirty scum crashing planes into buildings. In the other, we were getting rid of the city of terrorists.

But keep it coming.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster
Raildogg,

Saddam posed a threat to us how Raildogg? When did Saddam ever attack the U.S?

BTW what were you doing in NYC that day? I find it hard to believe you were in NYC. I think you are making it up.

We didn't attack Afghanistan because we cared about the people. We don't care about the people of Afghanistan. We went in because of Osama.

Before you make yourself look stupid again, I used to live in New York City. I moved to the south recently. Wow man dont comment on things you dont know about. Absurd.

Thats right, we attack Afghanistan to hunt for the dirty scum al qaeda and taliban. As a result of that, we gave freedom to the people there. I know things are definately not where we want in Afghanistan at the moment, with the people mainly living off of poppy seeds etc and exporting opium through the neighboring countries, which in turn travels to Europe. Anyways.

Saddam was pursuing nuclear weapons, if you dont believe that, read the book by Kadeer Hamza, the father of the Iraqi nuclear program who fled Iraq. It was only a matter of time before he got them.

You have proof you used to live in NYC? What University did you attend while you were in NYC? Kind of early for a college student to be out in the middle of NYC at 9A.M don't you think?

Saddam was pursuing nuclear weapons? You mean you can get nuclear weapons by drawing them on a piece of paper and wishing for them to become real? Interesting.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster
Raildogg,

Saddam posed a threat to us how Raildogg? When did Saddam ever attack the U.S?

BTW what were you doing in NYC that day? I find it hard to believe you were in NYC. I think you are making it up.

We didn't attack Afghanistan because we cared about the people. We don't care about the people of Afghanistan. We went in because of Osama.

Before you make yourself look stupid again, I used to live in New York City. I moved to the south recently. Wow man dont comment on things you dont know about. Absurd.

Thats right, we attack Afghanistan to hunt for the dirty scum al qaeda and taliban. As a result of that, we gave freedom to the people there. I know things are definately not where we want in Afghanistan at the moment, with the people mainly living off of poppy seeds etc and exporting opium through the neighboring countries, which in turn travels to Europe. Anyways.

Saddam was pursuing nuclear weapons, if you dont believe that, read the book by Kadeer Hamza, the father of the Iraqi nuclear program who fled Iraq. It was only a matter of time before he got them.

You have proof you used to live in NYC? What University did you attend while you were in NYC? Kind of early for a college student to be out in the middle of NYC at 9A.M don't you think?

Saddam was pursuing nuclear weapons? You mean you can get nuclear weapons by drawing them on a piece of paper and wishing for them to become real? Interesting.

Aimster, your pissing me off here. I have lived in New York City for a long time and I dont need to prove it to you or anyone else. Now if you have specific questions regarding the city or w/e then ask. But this is just ridiculous. And at that time I was not attending college.

Read the book by Iraq's chief nuclear scientist who had regular meetings with Saddam and knew what the man was thinking of. Kadeer Hamza.

Please, think before you post.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BBond
I don't believe most Christians believe the Bible is the literal word of God. I'm referring to the "radical" Christians who do.

I doubt they are solely responsible for electing George Bush, I said they believe they are responsible and I beleive they do.

I believe in total and complete separation of chruch and state. But the current administration obviously doesn't believe as I do. That's the point I'm trying to make. Islam has its own "radicals" and Christianity has its own "radicals" too. Currently, the Christian radicals are in power here in the USA so I find it difficult to criticize Islam while we are all, apparently, in the same boat.

It's matter of perspective. A religious theory of relativity. Our view in relation to it changes our perception of it.

People like you disgust me, really. I mean how the heck can you compare Christian radicals, if there is such a thing, to mass murderers like the extremist muslims?? just wow. Please use some common sense.

There is a huge difference in believing something and then actually carrying it out.

But we're carrying out mass murder in the Middle East right now while being led by a madman who considers himself a Christian "fundamentalist".

When you recognize that fact the disgust you feel for me will be, I hope, directed in the proper direction.

Amazing. I just dont know where to begin.

"We're carrying out mass murder". That statement belonds in the Anandtech Hall of Fame. No really it does. Did you get that from al jazeera or some radical islamic website? or maybe your hatred of America is so strong that you feel that way. Bush is defending this nation with all he has. Madmen are people like Saddam, who is out of power thanks to Bush.

Have you recently converted to Islam?

Well Bush invaded Iraq on the same pretext of "defending the nation" that Osama Bin Laden attacked the twin towers on the pretext of "defending Islam" ....Doesn't make the two very different...Both killed innocent civilians who were not responsible for anything..... YOU ARE DISCRIMINATING BETWEEN AMERICANS AND NON AMERICANS... YOU THINK AMERICAN LIVES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN AFGHAN OR IRAQI LIVES.

Saddam was no threat to the world....And the killing and suffering during his reign wa partly due to america....They bought him into poewr in the first place. And then they impose sanctions leading to suffering more to the people than the government....

Lose those caps there buddy. Oh what, your shouting now?

Attack on Iraq was because Saddam failed to disarm. He posed a threat to us and our allies. End of story.

The difference between the two is that we don't kill innocent people with intent. Those evil monsters on 9/11 crashed those planes with the intent on murdering as many women, children and men as possible. I was in New York City that day. Will never ever forget that day. The mass hysteria caused by those scum of the earth.

The next day, the city was full of heavy mist, the smell of the rubble. The smell of people being burnt alive, and dead bodies. Those that were around NYC or in it know what I'm talking about.

I definately dont think American lives are more important than anyone else's lives. Thats why we liberated Afghanistan, to give the people there freedom. Look, they just had successful elections there recently all thanks to the USA.

"Attack on Iraq was because Saddam failed to disarm. He posed a threat to us and our allies. End of story." Prove it!

I definately dont think American lives are more important than anyone else's lives. - Then you will probably be with the most of the rest of the world in out rightly condemning the unjust murder of thousands of innocent Iraqis.


The next day, the city was full of heavy mist, the smell of the rubble. The smell of people being burnt alive, and dead bodies. Those that were around NYC or in it know what I'm talking about.
Imagne if you can the scene in Fallujah whe the US made their final push inside....

Completely different scenarios. In one scenario you had dirty scum crashing planes into buildings. In the other, we were getting rid of the city of terrorists.

But keep it coming.

Terrorists or freedom figters?? The US invaded their coutry...They have every right to fight back!

And there were far more civilians involved in Fallujah then the the US....The US has probably killed 100 times more civilians then those two planes that hit the two towers...And that in my eyes makes bush 100 times more worse than OBL!

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster
Raildogg,

Saddam posed a threat to us how Raildogg? When did Saddam ever attack the U.S?

BTW what were you doing in NYC that day? I find it hard to believe you were in NYC. I think you are making it up.

We didn't attack Afghanistan because we cared about the people. We don't care about the people of Afghanistan. We went in because of Osama.

Before you make yourself look stupid again, I used to live in New York City. I moved to the south recently. Wow man dont comment on things you dont know about. Absurd.

Thats right, we attack Afghanistan to hunt for the dirty scum al qaeda and taliban. As a result of that, we gave freedom to the people there. I know things are definately not where we want in Afghanistan at the moment, with the people mainly living off of poppy seeds etc and exporting opium through the neighboring countries, which in turn travels to Europe. Anyways.

Saddam was pursuing nuclear weapons, if you dont believe that, read the book by Kadeer Hamza, the father of the Iraqi nuclear program who fled Iraq. It was only a matter of time before he got them.

You have proof you used to live in NYC? What University did you attend while you were in NYC? Kind of early for a college student to be out in the middle of NYC at 9A.M don't you think?

Saddam was pursuing nuclear weapons? You mean you can get nuclear weapons by drawing them on a piece of paper and wishing for them to become real? Interesting.

Aimster, your pissing me off here. I have lived in New York City for a long time and I dont need to prove it to you or anyone else. Now if you have specific questions regarding the city or w/e then ask. But this is just ridiculous. And at that time I was not attending college.

Read the book by Iraq's chief nuclear scientist who had regular meetings with Saddam and knew what the man was thinking of. Kadeer Hamza.

Please, think before you post.

All you had to do was tell me the name of your high school? Why is that so difficult? You were obviously in school when this happend so why not tell me the name of the school?

Saddam thinking is not the same as Saddam buidling.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: hatim
Terrorists or freedom figters?? The US invaded their coutry...They have every right to fight back!

And there were far more civilians involved in Fallujah then the the US....The US has probably killed 100 times more civilians then those two planes that hit the two towers...And that in my eyes makes bush 100 times more worse than OBL!

You continually insinuate that the US military went into Iraq with the express intention of killing civilians on a massive scale. This claim is ridiculous. Your claim of >300,000 Iraqi civilian casualties is equally ridiculous, as even the highest estimate doesn't approach that number.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: hatim
Terrorists or freedom figters?? The US invaded their coutry...They have every right to fight back!

And there were far more civilians involved in Fallujah then the the US....The US has probably killed 100 times more civilians then those two planes that hit the two towers...And that in my eyes makes bush 100 times more worse than OBL!

More lies??

The US liberated their country and most Iraqi's see it that way. Many of these terrorists are sent in by countries that surround Iraq. These are mercenaries for hire. Freedom fighters my !@#.

The US has killed civilians?? If you mean by accident then you are certainly correct. There is a difference, and the great American soldiers dont deliberately kill innocent civilians.

When terrorists live and carry out their missions so close to civilians, civilian deaths are bound to happen. Just a nature of things, sadly. Many of these terrorists do it on purpose, they believe if they live among civilians the US would not hunt them down and destroy them. They are wrong.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Aimster
All you had to do was tell me the name of your high school? Why is that so difficult? You were obviously in school when this happend so why not tell me the name of the school?

Saddam thinking is not the same as Saddam buidling.

You dont know where I was so stop guessing. I have no intention of revealing that to you either.

Saddam building?

The same was said of Hitler many years ago.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Aimster
All you had to do was tell me the name of your high school? Why is that so difficult? You were obviously in school when this happend so why not tell me the name of the school?

Saddam thinking is not the same as Saddam buidling.

You dont know where I was so stop guessing. I have no intention of revealing that to you either.

Saddam building?

The same was said of Hitler many years ago.

Because you lied?

Hitler abandoned his nuclear dreams because he didn't believe in such power. Saddam had no way of making any nuclear weapons and he had no army like Hitler so I don't see why you are even comparing the two.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: hatim
Terrorists or freedom figters?? The US invaded their coutry...They have every right to fight back!

And there were far more civilians involved in Fallujah then the the US....The US has probably killed 100 times more civilians then those two planes that hit the two towers...And that in my eyes makes bush 100 times more worse than OBL!

You continually insinuate that the US military went into Iraq with the express intention of killing civilians on a massive scale. This claim is ridiculous. Your claim of >300,000 Iraqi civilian casualties is equally ridiculous, as even the highest estimate doesn't approach that number.

No matter what there intentions were they killed civilians did they not? On the pretext of defending their nation...Saddam to was innocent of what the US accused him for... WMDs....Iraq on the whole was innocent and the US had the primary aim of removing Saddam no matter how many civilians lives would be lsot. Do you think the US military is full of idiots? Did they not know from before that civilian casualties would take place? And besides the US is to be blamed for every civilian casualty there...All have been caused by the lack of security which the US bought with them... 300,000 Iraqis and Afghanis is no way out of propertion.....

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: hatim

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: hatim
Terrorists or freedom figters?? The US invaded their coutry...They have every right to fight back!

And there were far more civilians involved in Fallujah then the the US....The US has probably killed 100 times more civilians then those two planes that hit the two towers...And that in my eyes makes bush 100 times more worse than OBL!

You continually insinuate that the US military went into Iraq with the express intention of killing civilians on a massive scale. This claim is ridiculous. Your claim of >300,000 Iraqi civilian casualties is equally ridiculous, as even the highest estimate doesn't approach that number.

No matter what there intentions were they killed civilians did they not? On the pretext of defending their nation...Saddam to was innocent of what the US accused him for... WMDs....Iraq on the whole was innocent and the US had the primary aim of removing Saddam no matter how many civilians lives would be lsot. Do you think the US military is full of idiots? Did they not know from before that civilian casualties would take place? And besides the US is to be blamed for every civilian casualty there...All have been caused by the lack of security which the US bought with them... 300,000 Iraqis and Afghanis is no way out of propertion.....

Wait, first you said 300,000 Iraqis died, now Afghanis too? so its 300k for each country or just one? or half and half? which is it?

Also did you just make these numbers up or you saw it on al jazeera?

Saddam had WMDs. He has had them since the eighties. Clinton said many a time Saddam must disarm, he has WMDs. So is Clinton a liar as well? In fact many world leaders said he had WMDs.

So your letting the terrorists off the hook and blaming the US for every civilian casualty?? Well, if thats the way you want to believe, fine. But who is killing Iraqi security guards, policemen each day??

Everyday I hear how these dirty terrorist bums kill this number of Iraqi security guards and this number the next day.

But again, keep it coming.