Originally posted by: dszd0g
Originally posted by: hatim
The university im studyiying has both male and female students.
In my coutry hardly anyone selnds their daugters to school. This is more true for the poorer...Apparently they think its not important for women to get education as they will be working at home. But then it was the prophet who told both men and women to get knowledge.
You seem to argue with me and then contradict yourself. I realize that these statements are not equivalent ly opposite in meaning, but the way they are presented creates a contradiction.
Yes my uni is different...Theres a huge difference in the mainstream madrassahs and where I go...
And yes women are encouraged to work. However more from home.
It seems like you are saying women can have jobs too... but not the same jobs. You are not presenting a very good argument.
They can have the same jobs as long as they work in there place. I mean a woman miner won't mean much...There are some jobs a man has to do and some women....Likewise some jobs are for anyone...But it depends on the social atmosphere of a workplace. A man should not be allowed to work at a place where there are only women working.
Theres nothing a man can do that a women can't.....
And physical differences to equate to mental differences. Man and woman have had different roles since the pre historic stone age. There are so many things that women must do and some which men...
Getting good at contradicting yourself. I read the above as "do equate" and treated it as a typo. Please correct me if that was not your intention.
The first one I meant according to islamic law and second physically. Theres no stopping a woman from doing any job according to her will...but there are guidelines which she may follow if she wishes....Nobodies going to get punished for not veiling herself or for working at a man's place...The only place where they will get into trouble is adultery...So we have been shown the best way to avoid adultery....Get married.....
Just because you donont see more women on the street working doesnt mean that they are oppressed. Thats part of Islamic culture. Men are supposed to earn bread while women are supposed to take care of things at home...Physical differences = emotional differences = different roles
Western culture considers this sexist. A lot of westerm feminists would like to see men take more of a role at home and let women share in bringing in the bread. For these feminists, ideally they would only have to take a few months off at the final stages of pregnancy and when the child is new born and then split time at home raising the child.
Personally I think children suffer a lot in western culture. I personally have noticed where one parent stays home to raise the child the child seems to turn out better. Although, I have one friend whose dad worked from home and raised him while his mom was the main bread maker. He turned out almost entirely like his dad.
The more I learn about women the more I learn that men and women really are the same. The differences are almost entirely in how men and women are raised differently or taught to express themselves. Boys cry, but men don't because they were raised not to. Women do not express themselves sexually the same way men do, because they were taught it is not proper, but that doesn't mean they do not have the same thoughts. Any man who thinks women do not think about sex as much as men, still has a lot to learn about women.
But you must all agree with me that men are more crazy about sex then women.
In general men show it more, because that is what is socially acceptable. I believe it has nothing to do with any difference between men and women other than how they are raised culturally. Women can often be just as big of nymphomaniacs as men.
Because there is no reason why a women in Islam woulld be as oppressed as sex symbols like in the US.....
Yes, in a lot of western cultures women are forced into being objects of sexual obsession. This is oppressive in a different way, especially because most women do not have perfect bodies. We raise women with all sorts of neurosis because of this.
There you go...And in a place where adultery would be counted as a huge sin and punishable by stoning or 100 lashes (depending if the offenders are married or not) it would not be ideal... + We have better things to do than have sex...ie preparing for the afterlife...
There have also been numberous empires that have fallen due to love...Imagine the social problems at a lesser level....some of which are depicted pretty well in dramas and films...A huge time waste isnt it? Specially when you can just get married and get reward for having sex?
And you feel Bush is a good president?
No.
Then do something about it! Otherwise you are the oppressed view because not everything according to your view is happening...Now someone mentioned the unhappiness of one women being an indication that they are oppressed because the law is not exactly how she wants it to be. :/
You will not let a man play in a women's team just because he is a man and not women. Thats DISCRIMINATION....Why?
Yes, it is discrimination. Not all discrimination is bad or inappropriate.
What is bad discrimination and why is it bad?
Becasue they arephysically different and emotionally different...
I do not think women are as emotionally different as you seem to believe.
The same way a small boy would not let any girl stare at him.....
Now maybe we are getting to your problem Sorry, that was just too easy.