The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

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Greenman

Lifer
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Gosh, in a thread about the sexual predation of a staffer by creepy Joe Biden we get a smearing of Russia, Russia, Russia. I am so surprised. /s

Face it, Joe Biden sexually assaulted a female staffer in 1993. End of story.

It doesn't matter how much you monkey dance it, deny it or pretend it didn't happen. It happened and this woman has corroborating evidence that it happened how, where and when she claimed. To see all these leftist Democrats expose themselves for the sanctimonious hypocrites i've always known them to be is just the freaking icing on my political cake. So thank you for the extra bit of flavor to my dessert.
What do you expect them to do? All the progressive candidates have been rejected. Joe is the democrats only hope at getting rid of Trump, and the favorite weapon of the left has been fired at Joe. There isn't any good answer, other than tossing out the "she must be believed" concept.
The diehard halfwits will continue to find nuances of application that exonerate their guy, while clearly proving the guilt of anyone on the right, the rest of the nation will realize that weaponizing accusations of sexual misconduct was a mistake, as the truth can't be proven 30 years later.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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What do you expect them to do? All the progressive candidates have been rejected. Joe is the democrats only hope at getting rid of Trump, and the favorite weapon of the left has been fired at Joe. There isn't any good answer, other than tossing out the "she must be believed" concept.
The diehard halfwits will continue to find nuances of application that exonerate their guy, while clearly proving the guilt of anyone on the right, the rest of the nation will realize that weaponizing accusations of sexual misconduct was a mistake, as the truth can't be proven 30 years later.

Democrats are not the Left. That's why Biden is winning.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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What do you expect them to do? All the progressive candidates have been rejected. Joe is the democrats only hope at getting rid of Trump, and the favorite weapon of the left has been fired at Joe. There isn't any good answer, other than tossing out the "she must be believed" concept.
The diehard halfwits will continue to find nuances of application that exonerate their guy, while clearly proving the guilt of anyone on the right, the rest of the nation will realize that weaponizing accusations of sexual misconduct was a mistake, as the truth can't be proven 30 years later.

Accusers who embellish their story from touchy to rapey have no credibility. Zero. Zip. Nothing. Nada. We all know this. Making it into a play about hypocrisy is utterly dishonest. You know that, too.
 
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JEDIYoda

Lifer
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What do you expect them to do? All the progressive candidates have been rejected. Joe is the democrats only hope at getting rid of Trump, and the favorite weapon of the left has been fired at Joe. There isn't any good answer, other than tossing out the "she must be believed" concept.
The diehard halfwits will continue to find nuances of application that exonerate their guy, while clearly proving the guilt of anyone on the right, the rest of the nation will realize that weaponizing accusations of sexual misconduct was a mistake, as the truth can't be proven 30 years later.
People didn`t need nuances,Trump was guilty as hell!! No nuances needed!!
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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Accusers who embellish their story from touchy to rapey have no credibility. Zero. Zip. Nothing. Nada. We all know this. Making it into a play about hypocrisy is utterly dishonest. You know that, too.
Their you go, Joe is in the clear and you can vote for him with a clear conscience while still staunchly supporting women that have been abused by men.
Btw, I haven't followed this story closely, as I expected something like this to come up. Joe has always been creepy, even Obama alluded to it with a comment about Joe's back rubs. But I never thought he was any kind of sexual predator, and I still don't.
I do think he has dementia, and it's my belief that should he win the white house the VP will be taking over before his term ends. I'm not trying to denigrate Joe, this is simply end of life stuff that many of us will face. I wish him well and hope he selects a quality VP.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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Their you go, Joe is in the clear and you can vote for him with a clear conscience while still staunchly supporting women that have been abused by men.
Btw, I haven't followed this story closely, as I expected something like this to come up. Joe has always been creepy, even Obama alluded to it with a comment about Joe's back rubs. But I never thought he was any kind of sexual predator, and I still don't.
I do think he has dementia, and it's my belief that should he win the white house the VP will be taking over before his term ends. I'm not trying to denigrate Joe, this is simply end of life stuff that many of us will face. I wish him well and hope he selects a quality VP.
If Joe has Dementia, what does Trump have...serious question?
 
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JSt0rm

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What do you expect them to do? All the progressive candidates have been rejected. Joe is the democrats only hope at getting rid of Trump, and the favorite weapon of the left has been fired at Joe. There isn't any good answer, other than tossing out the "she must be believed" concept.
The diehard halfwits will continue to find nuances of application that exonerate their guy, while clearly proving the guilt of anyone on the right, the rest of the nation will realize that weaponizing accusations of sexual misconduct was a mistake, as the truth can't be proven 30 years later.

bothsides.txt

Now you feel ok voting for a rapist. See how that works?
 
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Again you are lying, and doing so after I had previously established the actual facts. Ford in fact claimed before her friend responded publicly that her friend was UNAWARE of the incident at the time and she did not say anything to her friend. All her friend could not remember in terms of being a witness is if she was specifically at a party with her, Ford, and Kavanaugh which as far as she was concerned nothing exceptional seemed to have occurred and she was being questioned about it decades latter. (Absolutely ideally her friend would remember the party and how why did not say anything Ford was clearly really shaken by something that happened at the party there, but that was always clearly a longshot.)


Obviously the amount of evidence goes in the opposite direction. First of all, as far as I can tell from available articles, as of right now neither of Tara Reade's witnesses has actually said what they were specifically told at the time which matters in terms of their value as witnesses to confirm her story, and we don't know who one of them is at all. (We also don't actually know how well they remember the details of what she said by the way even assuming they will completely accurate in what they say.) By contrast, all of I believe at least 5 witnesses who Ford talked to prior to the period when Kavanaugh got nominated (or even was about to) get nominated to the Supreme Court, went public and submitted affidavits or took other steps which risked perjury charges if they were later shown to have lied.

We also had Ford herself specifically pass a polygraph test regarding her claims.

Ford also had a witnesses who has to be viewed as inherently highly creditable. Unlike someone more personally involved, the therapist clearly does not have the same sort of personal relationship which might persuade him/her to theoretically make up a story to support Ford. Even more crucially there are was the original copy of his/her notes from 2012 to the US Senate as potential evidence. If she had pulled a stunt like forging the notes right before they were submitted to the FBI, there are ways to check and if the Senate had investigated things more closely it is essentially guaranteed they would have subjected the notes to forensic analysis to make sure they matched up with being written in 2012. (Both the Trump administration and the Senate obviously had the incentive to look for anything to discredit the allegations if they were actually further holding up the nomination.) If they did not match up with the 2012 date the therapist would be looking at a perjury charge and presumably losing her license among other things. You can try to suggest Ford had some reason to make up a fictional assault in 2012 (which just happened to perfectly match Kavanaugh with the description of a perpetrator) or the like but not go pubic with it for many years, but it is a vastly harder case to make.

You also had issues with Kavanaugh making claims in his defense which were either clearly false or highly implausible while Biden does not have a similar issues in relation to this specific claim. (We have also already covered the issue of Tara Reade changing her story publicly.) Again there are basic reasons to treat one account more seriously than the other, and you are still getting basic facts wrong about the Ford accusation.
A polygraph test that she refused to give FBI access to the records and her counselor which she also refused to give the FBI access to her therapists notes.





"Grassley asked for the notes from therapy sessions in which Ford said she discussed the alleged assault. Ford gave some of those notes to the Washington Post in the interview that named her as Kavanaugh’s accuser, and said during her Senate Judiciary Committee testimony that the notes were relevant to her allegations.

Grassley also requested copies of "all audio or video recordings" that were produced during the polygraph exam Ford took, as well as all charts and data that were used in preparing the polygraph report.

Ford told lawmakers that she only discussed the lie-detector test with her lawyers and did not talk about any tips on how to pass a polygraph.

A statement released by Grassley and the committee on Tuesday included a sworn statement from an unidentified ex-boyfriend of Ford's that raised "specific concerns about the reliability of her polygraph examination results." "The Senate therefore needs this information," he said in the letter."
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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A polygraph test that she refused to give FBI access to the records and her counselor which she also refused to give the FBI access to her therapists notes.





"Grassley asked for the notes from therapy sessions in which Ford said she discussed the alleged assault. Ford gave some of those notes to the Washington Post in the interview that named her as Kavanaugh’s accuser, and said during her Senate Judiciary Committee testimony that the notes were relevant to her allegations.

Grassley also requested copies of "all audio or video recordings" that were produced during the polygraph exam Ford took, as well as all charts and data that were used in preparing the polygraph report.

Ford told lawmakers that she only discussed the lie-detector test with her lawyers and did not talk about any tips on how to pass a polygraph.

A statement released by Grassley and the committee on Tuesday included a sworn statement from an unidentified ex-boyfriend of Ford's that raised "specific concerns about the reliability of her polygraph examination results." "The Senate therefore needs this information," he said in the letter."

you dont actually care about this.
 
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JEDIYoda

Lifer
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A polygraph test that she refused to give FBI access to the records and her counselor which she also refused to give the FBI access to her therapists notes.





"Grassley asked for the notes from therapy sessions in which Ford said she discussed the alleged assault. Ford gave some of those notes to the Washington Post in the interview that named her as Kavanaugh’s accuser, and said during her Senate Judiciary Committee testimony that the notes were relevant to her allegations.

Grassley also requested copies of "all audio or video recordings" that were produced during the polygraph exam Ford took, as well as all charts and data that were used in preparing the polygraph report.

Ford told lawmakers that she only discussed the lie-detector test with her lawyers and did not talk about any tips on how to pass a polygraph.

A statement released by Grassley and the committee on Tuesday included a sworn statement from an unidentified ex-boyfriend of Ford's that raised "specific concerns about the reliability of her polygraph examination results." "The Senate therefore needs this information," he said in the letter."
Hahahaa what does this prove other than here you are again looking for a scrap of truth to attempt to back up your lies and misinformation, so what do you do>? You find something anythinga nd then you misrepresent it all to hell!!
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
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you dont actually care about this.
He really doesn`t care...if he did he would have never posted an article that would just reaffirm what we all know that he is a liar and misrepresents pretty much 100 % of what he rants about!!
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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Their you go, Joe is in the clear and you can vote for him with a clear conscience while still staunchly supporting women that have been abused by men.
Btw, I haven't followed this story closely, as I expected something like this to come up. Joe has always been creepy, even Obama alluded to it with a comment about Joe's back rubs. But I never thought he was any kind of sexual predator, and I still don't.
I do think he has dementia, and it's my belief that should he win the white house the VP will be taking over before his term ends. I'm not trying to denigrate Joe, this is simply end of life stuff that many of us will face. I wish him well and hope he selects a quality VP.

If you can't tear him down from one angle, find another. When do we circle back around to corruption in Ukraine? They're still investigating Hunter, right? As if any of it matters in the face of the malevolent incompetence of Trump & the GOP.
 

VRAMdemon

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It's laughable watching Trumps cult followers concerned about Biden's transgressions with women and ignoring Trumps transgressions with women. At the same time also laughable watching Sanders cult followers concerned with Biden's health problems and "cognitive decline" and ignoring Sanders health problems and "cognitive decline". The mental gymnastics are Olympic gold medal worthy. Carry on fanatical soldiers.
 
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fskimospy

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It's laughable watching Trumps cult followers concerned about Biden's transgressions with women and ignoring Trumps transgressions with women. At the same time also laughable watching Sanders cult followers concerned with Biden's health problems and "cognitive decline" and ignoring Sanders health problems and "cognitive decline". The mental gymnastics are Olympic gold medal worthy. Carry on fanatical soldiers.

Call me crazy but it's almost like they don't actually care about those issues at all.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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If you can't tear him down from one angle, find another. When do we circle back around to corruption in Ukraine? They're still investigating Hunter, right? As if any of it matters in the face of the malevolent incompetence of Trump & the GOP.
Did you read what I wrote? It's like you're seeing different words than what I typed.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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You do know that guy is a TV comedian? You do know it don't you?
How else would you cover the shit show *circus* that was Kavanaughs hearing?
You know Last Week Today is in deep contrast to Fox news, "that guy" uses *facts* and then makes a funny ... Fox News makes shit up and then sells it as hardcore truth.
I really do pity you. Lost soul.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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He's an asshole that speaks in hyperbole. So rectal/cranial inversion would be my guess.
You are not being honest, read a transcript of one of his "speeches" and give an honest opinion...asshole doesn't cut it. You're making a medical claim about Biden based on no medical knowledge/training. So I want your medical opinion of Trump.
 
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fskimospy

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He's an asshole that speaks in hyperbole. So rectal/cranial inversion would be my guess.

So all the slurring, wandering off, losing his train of thought, and incoherent babbling doesn't bother you?

Seriously, listen to Trump talk for a few minutes and then ask yourself what you would think if a relative of yours talked in the same way. You would want to get them evaluated for some sort of dementia. The guy's brain is just mush at this point.
 

Aegeon

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A polygraph test that she refused to give FBI access to the records and her counselor which she also refused to give the FBI access to her therapists notes.


"Grassley asked for the notes from therapy sessions in which Ford said she discussed the alleged assault. Ford gave some of those notes to the Washington Post in the interview that named her as Kavanaugh’s accuser, and said during her Senate Judiciary Committee testimony that the notes were relevant to her allegations.

Grassley also requested copies of "all audio or video recordings" that were produced during the polygraph exam Ford took, as well as all charts and data that were used in preparing the polygraph report.

Ford told lawmakers that she only discussed the lie-detector test with her lawyers and did not talk about any tips on how to pass a polygraph.

A statement released by Grassley and the committee on Tuesday included a sworn statement from an unidentified ex-boyfriend of Ford's that raised "specific concerns about the reliability of her polygraph examination results." "The Senate therefore needs this information," he said in the letter."
You're either being deceptive at this point or did not do your research.

She did specifically later commit to turning over the original notes completely as soon as the FBI committed to a full investigation in a way that did not actually happen. Furthermore, the Senate had the power to force her to turn over the notes if necessary even if you argue she would have outright broken her agreement if that occurred. This means the risk of the therapist in particular facing perjury or comparable charges (if not Ford herself) absolutely existed if those notes were not actually from 2012, and you what you posted in no way changed that.

By contrast, when we get to weakness of Tara Reade's claim, we have the reality at this point that she has effectively already admired to lying to the public about any alleged encounter with Joe Biden. The version she is now claiming still has her altering what she said publicly about her encounter with Biden previously because she thought it would be more likely to be believed before now asserting this new version of events, but still has her being untruthful with the public which is clearly a problem with her credibility.

We also have the underlying fact that in spite of Joe Biden's prominent in national politics since 1973 including previous presidential runs and being Obama's Vice-President twice, no-one else has come forward with a comparable claim of something like digital penetration or something actually in the same type of category. Simply put arguably overtly familiar touching in the way the other involved individuals objected to in no way resembles that. You certainly would have expected others to come forward with their stories by now if this was part of a pattern of behavior. (I suppose in theory you could argue this was a one off action from Biden, but even Tara Reade's own story seems highly inconsistent with such an idea.)

Other point worth noting is Tara Reade went out of her way to praise Biden until very recently, including specifically his actions in stopping sexual assaults against women as recently as 2017.

Even if you assume she was simply not willing to come forward with what happened with her at the time, it still seems to defy belief that she would go out of her way to support praise of him specifically in this area if she had been previously sexually assaulted by him. In fact doing so would at least be pretty close to outright deceiving the public again if you buy her latest claim.

In other words those of who are a highly skeptical of Tara Reade's story have very good reasons to be so at this point.

You certainly come across as unbelievably partisan and willing to try to distort even the basic established facts to try to justify your partisanship and how you treat the two sets of accusations.
 
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Starbuck1975

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If you can't tear him down from one angle, find another. When do we circle back around to corruption in Ukraine? They're still investigating Hunter, right? As if any of it matters in the face of the malevolent incompetence of Trump & the GOP.
I suppose you could try nominating a candidate who’s baggage doesn’t make them susceptible to such attacks, but I guess socialism was just too scary.
 
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