The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

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fskimospy

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BUTCH1

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Yes, someone with a history of theft and deception with their prior employers does not exactly make for the world’s most credible accuser.
Everything about her screams "sleazebag", if Biden had committed this violent assault against her 30 years ago why would she later and on more than one occasion praise Biden. It's obvious she would not, her chartacer is for shit, if she wants to be taken serious submit to a polygraph administered by a pro.
 

fskimospy

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Everything about her screams "sleazebag", if Biden had committed this violent assault against her 30 years ago why would she later and on more than one occasion praise Biden. It's obvious she would not, her chartacer is for shit, if she wants to be taken serious submit to a polygraph administered by a pro.
The fact that she apparently told people of some sort of assault contemporaneously makes her story more credible but I agree that everything else about her makes her less credible, especially the facts that she has repeatedly changed her story about her experiences with Biden and that she effusively praised his work defending women from assault until recently.

We will almost certainly never know what happened here but the people pretending this is a particularly credible accuser that the media is covering up are engaging in motivated or bad faith reasoning.
 

Blackjack200

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This medium post is pretty damning for Reade.


Doesn’t mean her accusations can’t be true but it does show how her story has repeatedly changed over time, how people who know her do not believe her, and how bizarrely she has acted with regards to Russia.

You claim to not know who people like Briahna Joy Grey and Neera Tanden are, but you post articles by the Krassenstein brothers. Hmmm. It's almost like you're a deeply disingenuous person.
 

fskimospy

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You claim to not know who people like Briahna Joy Grey and Neera Tanden are, but you post articles by the Krassenstein brothers. Hmmm. It's almost like you're a deeply disingenuous person.
I have never heard of the Krassenstein brothers before either, I just found the compilation of Reade’s own postings informative because of how they contradict her current position. Their commentary is meaningless to me, as is basically all commentary. It sounds like you consume a lot of left wing opinion so you’re familiar with these various personalities but I don’t.

If the article has falsified any of her postings or has omitted information that you think is relevant I’m very open to hearing it.
 

Jhhnn

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I have never heard of the Krassenstein brothers before either, I just found the compilation of Reade’s own postings informative because of how they contradict her current position. Their commentary is meaningless to me, as is basically all commentary. It sounds like you consume a lot of left wing opinion so you’re familiar with these various personalities but I don’t.

If the article has falsified any of her postings or has omitted information that you think is relevant I’m very open to hearing it.

The "left wing" media he consumes is mostly intentionally divisive right wing disinformation in disguise. It's the same as it was in 2016. When the GOP recycles the Ukrainian corruption smear, he'll be onboard with that, too, I'm sure. The fact that Bernie backs Biden while he & others like him do not leads me to doubt their sincerity, anyway. Had Bernie won the nom they'd really be screwed.
 

amrnuke

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The fact that she apparently told people of some sort of assault contemporaneously makes her story more credible but I agree that everything else about her makes her less credible, especially the facts that she has repeatedly changed her story about her experiences with Biden and that she effusively praised his work defending women from assault until recently.

We will almost certainly never know what happened here but the people pretending this is a particularly credible accuser that the media is covering up are engaging in motivated or bad faith reasoning.
I'm going to assume something happened until proven otherwise.

I'm also going to say she should get the same treatment as Dr Ford, and Biden should get at least the same "plow right through" to get him acquitted that Kavanaugh got, or perhaps even the complete dismissal that Trump got.

We must have consistency in this nation!
 

VRAMdemon

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So...Your daughter was sexually assaulted and your response is, not to go to the police, not to hire a lawyer, but to call Larry King? And then be all coy about the senator's name instead of just fucking blasting it right there which WOULD actually direct a shitstorm his way? The caller’s identity can’t be corroborated since her mother is deceased. And secondly, the caller is being extremely vague. She claims that her daughter is having “problems with a senator” and chose not to go the press “out of respect for him”. This doesn’t mean anything without context. Workplace issues can encompass far more things than sexual harassment.

Still, let’s say that call is indeed her mom and what she’s saying is 100% legit. So she felt brave enough to contemplate going to the press about being sexually assaulted by a prominent senator in 1993, but somehow continued to publicly sing his praises in the years thereafter until... now? Why the sudden about-face? Why didn’t she come forward last year when Biden has already declared his candidacy and the first wave of sexual harassment/touchy-feely allegations were already receiving media attention? She would have actually appeared far more credible then. Why wait until he became the presumptive Democratic nominee?

With her twitter account she was complimentary about Biden up to 2018 but then started posting about Biden doing favors for the DuPont company and supporting an investigation into Ukraine. Nothing about assault. She also coincidentally went from tweeting/retweeting anti-Putin commentary in the first year of the Trump presidency (when she was praising Biden) to writing fawning blogs about Putin.

This whole thing has "publicity-hungry narcissistic fabulism partisan political take-down" written all over it. Who'd be surprised if there were no such allegation made between now and November? Hell, they've probably got them set to time-release for maximum impact. Where there's smoke, there's often a smoke machine. Where the fuck is the Hunter Biden bullshit now?. I thought so

This is such a sloppily put together attempt at a political take-down that has the signature of Jacob Wohl all of over it if you didn’t know any better. Another bullshit aspect about it is how many people insist on taking it seriously in the name of “fairness” either out of fear of being called hypocrites by Republicans and bitter Bernie supporters. I will absolutely put the blame on #MeToo as well for enshrining the norm of treating all allegations as if they’re equal and 100% honest to the point it’s become taboo to express healthy skepticism at a particular accusation.

I mean, come on Trump conservatives...if we want to be FAIR we should also be paying attention to the stories of these women:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald...ct_allegations

And really, not enough people really give a shit about this to matter. Trump's admitting to and casual attitude towards sexual assault came up during the campaign but the public decided that Hillary Clinton's fucking emails were more important in terms of recreational outrage. As long as Joe doesn't delete any of his emails he'll be fine.

I don't think Joe "raped" anyone. I have no doubt that Joe was probably a touchy, feeling, butt-pinching creep back in the day, but that seems to have been litigated already and the country seems to have nominated him, for better or worse. We are stuck with 2 dirty old white men to pick as our leaders. When I vote for Biden in November (which is a no brainer) It will be a vote for his VP pick

In an ideal world, Joe Biden wouldn't be the Dems' OR MY nominee. But we don't live in an ideal world and it's either an imperfect, flawed, old Joe Biden or 4 more years stacking the courts and this complete Trump republican shit show.

But, here we are. The choice is obvious. I'm done. Rant complete...carry on
 

fskimospy

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So...Your daughter was sexually assaulted and your response is, not to go to the police, not to hire a lawyer, but to call Larry King? And then be all coy about the senator's name instead of just fucking blasting it right there which WOULD actually direct a shitstorm his way? The caller’s identity can’t be corroborated since her mother is deceased. And secondly, the caller is being extremely vague. She claims that her daughter is having “problems with a senator” and chose not to go the press “out of respect for him”. This doesn’t mean anything without context. Workplace issues can encompass far more things than sexual harassment.

Still, let’s say that call is indeed her mom and what she’s saying is 100% legit. So she felt brave enough to contemplate going to the press about being sexually assaulted by a prominent senator in 1993, but somehow continued to publicly sing his praises in the years thereafter until... now? Why the sudden about-face? Why didn’t she come forward last year when Biden has already declared his candidacy and the first wave of sexual harassment/touchy-feely allegations were already receiving media attention? She would have actually appeared far more credible then. Why wait until he became the presumptive Democratic nominee?

With her twitter account she was complimentary about Biden up to 2018 but then started posting about Biden doing favors for the DuPont company and supporting an investigation into Ukraine. Nothing about assault. She also coincidentally went from tweeting/retweeting anti-Putin commentary in the first year of the Trump presidency (when she was praising Biden) to writing fawning blogs about Putin.

This whole thing has "publicity-hungry narcissistic fabulism partisan political take-down" written all over it. Who'd be surprised if there were no such allegation made between now and November? Hell, they've probably got them set to time-release for maximum impact. Where there's smoke, there's often a smoke machine. Where the fuck is the Hunter Biden bullshit now?. I thought so

This is such a sloppily put together attempt at a political take-down that has the signature of Jacob Wohl all of over it if you didn’t know any better. Another bullshit aspect about it is how many people insist on taking it seriously in the name of “fairness” either out of fear of being called hypocrites by Republicans and bitter Bernie supporters. I will absolutely put the blame on #MeToo as well for enshrining the norm of treating all allegations as if they’re equal and 100% honest to the point it’s become taboo to express healthy skepticism at a particular accusation.

I mean, come on Trump conservatives...if we want to be FAIR we should also be paying attention to the stories of these women:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald...ct_allegations

And really, not enough people really give a shit about this to matter. Trump's admitting to and casual attitude towards sexual assault came up during the campaign but the public decided that Hillary Clinton's fucking emails were more important in terms of recreational outrage. As long as Joe doesn't delete any of his emails he'll be fine.

I don't think Joe "raped" anyone. I have no doubt that Joe was probably a touchy, feeling, butt-pinching creep back in the day, but that seems to have been litigated already and the country seems to have nominated him, for better or worse. We are stuck with 2 dirty old white men to pick as our leaders. When I vote for Biden in November (which is a no brainer) It will be a vote for his VP pick

In an ideal world, Joe Biden wouldn't be the Dems' OR MY nominee. But we don't live in an ideal world and it's either an imperfect, flawed, old Joe Biden or 4 more years stacking the courts and this complete Trump republican shit show.

But, here we are. The choice is obvious.
People not coming forward for years is not at all unusual with sexual assault allegations and shouldn’t be held against her in my opinion. To me the primary problems with her credibility come from the fact that she has repeatedly changed her story, apparently has at least some history of theft and deception with other employers, and the fact that she effusively praised Biden for his work defending women for years. I can understand remaining silent but affirmatively praising him?
 
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VRAMdemon

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People not coming forward for years is not at all unusual with sexual assault allegations and shouldn’t be held against her in my opinion. To me the primary problems with her credibility come from the fact that she has repeatedly changed her story, apparently has at least some history of theft and deception with other employers, and the fact that she effusively praised Biden for his work defending women for years. I can understand remaining silent but affirmatively praising him?

No...I'm not talking about coming forward 27 years ago. She had the perfect opportunity to feel comfortable in coming forward when his touching and groping were in the news recently. BEFORE he became the nominee.
 
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JEDIYoda

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Everything about her screams "sleazebag", if Biden had committed this violent assault against her 30 years ago why would she later and on more than one occasion praise Biden. It's obvious she would not, her chartacer is for shit, if she wants to be taken serious submit to a polygraph administered by a pro.
Maybe she didn`t report it at the time because the old man has a special skill set.......
 

Jhhnn

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No...I'm not talking about coming forward 27 years ago. She had the perfect opportunity to feel comfortable in coming forward when his touching and groping were in the news recently. BEFORE he became the nominee.

Please. Nobody has accused Biden of groping other than Reade.
 

soundforbjt

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No...I'm not talking about coming forward 27 years ago. She had the perfect opportunity to feel comfortable in coming forward when his touching and groping were in the news recently. BEFORE he became the nominee.
She also had a perfect opportunity when he ran for President on 2008, but she stayed silent then as well.
 

Jhhnn

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I think they meant the shoulder touching and head kissing stuff.

In context, "Groping" has a sexual connotation that none of the women involved (other than Reade) claim to have felt at the time. It's just not an accurate descriptor. Some people are just more physical & our views on that change over time, as well. It's often done in a way intended to be reassuring or complimentary.
 

dank69

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People not coming forward for years is not at all unusual with sexual assault allegations and shouldn’t be held against her in my opinion. To me the primary problems with her credibility come from the fact that she has repeatedly changed her story, apparently has at least some history of theft and deception with other employers, and the fact that she effusively praised Biden for his work defending women for years. I can understand remaining silent but affirmatively praising him?
To me, the bigger red flag is her description of Putin.
 

fskimospy

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To me, the bigger red flag is her description of Putin.

Meh, I'm not sure what to make about that. It's definitely super weird but I don't know what other conclusions to make about it.

Again, the fact that she told people at the time increases her credibility and the fact that she's repeatedly changed her story and praised Biden for his defense of women reduces her credibility. Hard to say what happened.
 

Moonbeam

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Meh, I'm not sure what to make about that. It's definitely super weird but I don't know what other conclusions to make about it.

Again, the fact that she told people at the time increases her credibility and the fact that she's repeatedly changed her story and praised Biden for his defense of women reduces her credibility. Hard to say what happened.
It does not help her cause, in my opinion, that her earlier milder versions of what happened didn't draw attention but fingers in her pussy did. I wonder if frustration and anger weren't involved in that escalation rather than more detailed facts. it smells to high heavens when you change your story. I have trouble with, he's a great guy and he only raped me a little bit but I can make it sound much worse if you don't listen. All the facts the first time please.
 

Jhhnn

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Meh, I'm not sure what to make about that. It's definitely super weird but I don't know what other conclusions to make about it.

Again, the fact that she told people at the time increases her credibility and the fact that she's repeatedly changed her story and praised Biden for his defense of women reduces her credibility. Hard to say what happened.

Other people like her brother, who also changed his story, her anonymous friend & her supposed & vague dead mother on Larry King?

Don't be a chump. She's changed her story & her persona too many times to have any credibility. Yeh, sure, it might be true but I might find a diamond in a goat's ass if I look hard enough.
 
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