The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

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fskimospy

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Other people like her brother, who also changed his story, her anonymous friend & her supposed & vague dead mother on Larry King?

Don't be a chump. She's changed her story & her persona too many times to have any credibility. Yeh, sure, it might be true but I might find a diamond in a goat's ass if I look hard enough.
I agree that repeatedly changing her story badly damaged her credibility.
 
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woolfe9998

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Meh, I'm not sure what to make about that. It's definitely super weird but I don't know what other conclusions to make about it.

Again, the fact that she told people at the time increases her credibility and the fact that she's repeatedly changed her story and praised Biden for his defense of women reduces her credibility. Hard to say what happened.

After 2016, I'm not prepared to write that off. We know for a fact Putin has already been trying to help Trump for 2020, and specifically in regards to scandalizing Biden. Reade's sudden effusive praise for Putin after criticizing him for years is hard to explain. Her current opinions of Putin in and of themselves are borderline delusional, suggesting that they aren't her real opinions. Reade has possibly stolen money from a charity, indicating that she has money/greed problems.

If she wants to be considered credible, she should agree to open up her finances for a thorough audit. This may sound harsh, but I am not prepared to believe any sudden scandals popping up against Biden during this election season without extraordinary proof. Not after 2016. I simply don't trust Trump, the GOP, or its Russian allies.
 

fskimospy

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It does not help her cause, in my opinion, that her earlier milder versions of what happened didn't draw attention but fingers in her pussy did. I wonder if frustration and anger weren't involved in that escalation rather than more detailed facts. it smells to high heavens when you change your story. I have trouble with, he's a great guy and he only raped me a little bit but I can make it sound much worse if you don't listen. All the facts the first time please.
Yes, I agree that repeatedly making her allegations worse when they didn’t get much traction also damages her credibility.

Like I said, I don’t find her particularly credible but there’s something to be said for the fact that she apparently told people contemporaneously.
 

fskimospy

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After 2016, I'm not prepared to write that off. We know for a fact Putin has already been trying to help Trump for 2020, and specifically in regards to scandalizing Biden. Reade's sudden effusive praise for Putin after criticizing him for years is hard to explain. Her current opinions of Putin in and of themselves are borderline delusional, suggesting that they aren't her real opinions. Reade has possibly stolen money from a charity, indicating that she has money/greed problems.

If she wants to be considered credible, she should agree to open up her finances for a thorough audit. This may sound harsh, but I am not prepared to believe any sudden scandals popping up against Biden during this election season without extraordinary proof. Not after 2016. I simply don't trust Trump, the GOP, or its Russian allies.
I agree that these sort of dirty tricks should be expected and if this is one it won’t be the last. ANY salacious stories about the democratic nominee should be viewed with extreme skepticism due to the fact that we know a hostile foreign government is currently running an espionage campaign against our country and the federal government is, at a minimum, not doing anything about it.
 

Starbuck1975

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People not coming forward for years is not at all unusual with sexual assault allegations and shouldn’t be held against her in my opinion. To me the primary problems with her credibility come from the fact that she has repeatedly changed her story, apparently has at least some history of theft and deception with other employers, and the fact that she effusively praised Biden for his work defending women for years. I can understand remaining silent but affirmatively praising him?
I would offer Weinstein as a good example for how that could happen
 

soundforbjt

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I would offer Weinstein as a good example for how that could happen
With Weinstein, Cosby, Epstein, Trump, Clinton, etc., there were/are multiple allegations by many women over years of time. Surely Tara isn't the only woman to drive Joe wild enough to cross the line. Where's the other allegations and when do we expect them to surface (October?)?
 

woolfe9998

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For those making comparisons with the Brett Kavanaugh allegation, a better comparison is with the allegation by "Katie Johnson" that Trump raped her in 1994 when she was 13, as allegedly facilitated by Jeff Epstein. Unlike the 20+ allegations of groping by various women, this story has barely been picked up by the mainstream press. Because it isn't that credible.

So much for media hypocrisy.
 

Jhhnn

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I agree that these sort of dirty tricks should be expected and if this is one it won’t be the last. ANY salacious stories about the democratic nominee should be viewed with extreme skepticism due to the fact that we know a hostile foreign government is currently running an espionage campaign against our country and the federal government is, at a minimum, not doing anything about it.


Shee-it, Sherlock. Trump & the GOP are actively running a campaign of destruction on the institutions of the govt of the People & have been for 40 years. Privatize everything & profit. The Russians are just happy to help them out.
 

Blackjack200

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Nah, that doesn’t add up. With Weinstein they had to continually praise him because their livelihoods depended on it. Here she could have simply said nothing about Biden and lost nothing but instead went out of her way to praise his record on women.

Wait, you're suggesting that political staff careers don't depend on being in the good graces of powerful politicians? Okay, that's one take I guess.
 

Blackjack200

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Shee-it, Sherlock. Trump & the GOP are actively running a campaign of destruction on the institutions of the govt of the People & have been for 40 years. Privatize everything & profit. The Russians are just happy to help them out.

Blue-anon
 

fskimospy

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Wait, you're suggesting that political staff careers don't depend on being in the good graces of powerful politicians? Okay, that's one take I guess.
Lolwut. Another possible take is the ‘I don’t know shit about this but I’ll comment anyway’ I guess.

She’s not in a political staff career, nor has she been for a very long time and she praised him as recently as a few years ago on her personal twitter account. If you want to make the argument that maintaining an expert witness, writing, and special needs children career in California requires staying in the good graces of Joe Biden, and this is accomplished by praising him on Twitter feel free to make that argument.
 

Blackjack200

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Really weird how The Intercept and Business Insider are getting all the scoops. It's almost like the NYT, WP, CNN, et al. are not vigorously pursuing this story. Wonder why that would be.

 

amrnuke

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Keep denying guys. Looks great on you.
Let's say she's as credible as Dr Ford, Anita Hill, and many others.
What's your point?
If her credibility is the same, we should get the same outcome: which is that nothing happens. Correct?
 

fskimospy

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Really weird how The Intercept and Business Insider are getting all the scoops. It's almost like the NYT, WP, CNN, et al. are not vigorously pursuing this story. Wonder why that would be.

Yes, it’s all a conspiracy against you, just like with everything else.

That she told other people about this contemporaneously is already known.
 

fskimospy

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Keep denying guys. Looks great on you.
It’s unclear to me what you think her telling four people instead of three improves for her. Her issues are with her credibility due to shifting stories, not whether or not she told someone else.

What if she told ten people? A hundred people? What does that change?
 

Blackjack200

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Let's say she's as credible as Dr Ford, Anita Hill, and many others.
What's your point?
If her credibility is the same, we should get the same outcome: which is that nothing happens. Correct?

I'm pretty sure I said in this threat that the most honest thing for Biden supporters to do is to acknowledge that there are credible allegations against Biden for sexual assault but that they are voting for him anyway because the of the circumstances. I personally disagree with that, but I think it's a legitimate, defensible position.
 

fskimospy

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I'm pretty sure I said in this threat that the most honest thing for Biden supporters to do is to acknowledge that there are credible allegations against Biden for sexual assault but that they are voting for him anyway because the of the circumstances. I personally disagree with that, but I think it's a legitimate, defensible position.

I think this accusation is not super credible for the reasons I’ve outlined already but I’ve repeatedly said that some parts of it increase her credibility and that it should be investigated further. I’m certainly not dismissing it.

To be clear though even if this turned out to be 100% true I would vote for Biden without hesitation.
 

eelw

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Lol this new witness will be voting Biden despite what she recalls about this allegation
 

amrnuke

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I'm pretty sure I said in this threat that the most honest thing for Biden supporters to do is to acknowledge that there are credible allegations against Biden for sexual assault but that they are voting for him anyway because the of the circumstances. I personally disagree with that, but I think it's a legitimate, defensible position.
Surely.
If we say her allegations are as credible as Ford's and Hill's, then we either keep intellectual honesty and say, if we were calling for Trump and Kavanaugh to resign/disqualify, then we should do the same for Biden.
If we say her allegations are not as credible as Ford's and Hill's and provide rational, unbiased reasons, then there is no intellectual disconnect.
However, the whole thing is uncertain.

For me, it's the same Kavanaugh, Trump, Biden. Allegations, unproven, lack of corroborating evidence, the end result should be the same -- that is, since nothing happened w/r/t Kavanaugh and Trump, nothing should happen.

Let's just vote based on who is the best fit.
 

Moonbeam

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Other people like her brother, who also changed his story, her anonymous friend & her supposed & vague dead mother on Larry King?

Don't be a chump. She's changed her story & her persona too many times to have any credibility. Yeh, sure, it might be true but I might find a diamond in a goat's ass if I look hard enough.
Good to know you are only a casual looker.




Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
 

Starbuck1975

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With Weinstein, Cosby, Epstein, Trump, Clinton, etc., there were/are multiple allegations by many women over years of time. Surely Tara isn't the only woman to drive Joe wild enough to cross the line. Where's the other allegations and when do we expect them to surface (October?)?
Biden should be afforded due process. While the quantity of allegations may establish a pattern, it doesn’t mean Biden didn’t get frisky with Reade. If more people start corroborating Reade’s account, it lends credibility to her accusation, but it doesn’t make the accusation true.

Biden, however, is facing scrutiny to the standard he advocated for.
 
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