The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

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dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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You're asking why someone that was concealing a sexual assault by a US Senator was sharing inconsistent stories about why she left that job? Is that seriously what you're asking?
Inconsistent stories on the record. Yes, I am asking that. I also noticed you injected the word concealing. You got a source for where she used that as an excuse for why she lied so many times? I was under the impression that she just didn't want to come forward because she feared her reputation would be tarnished, not that she was actively covering it up for Biden.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Inconsistent stories on the record. Yes, I am asking that. I also noticed you injected the word concealing. You got a source for where she used that as an excuse for why she lied so many times? I was under the impression that she just didn't want to come forward because she feared her reputation would be tarnished, not that she was actively covering it up for Biden.

Jesus fucking Christ dude.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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You're asking why someone that was concealing a sexual assault by a US Senator was sharing inconsistent stories about why she left that job? Is that seriously what you're asking?

Ah yes, clearly her desire to conceal her sexual assault prompted her to say that she was fired from her job due to Biden's sexual harassment but he didn't know about it and then changed it to that she was fired from her job and he caused it because reasons.

Like, what?

I do like how your new tack is to now say that anyone questioning her numerous conflicting statements on the record about the time period in question is bad for doing so, as if alleging a sexual assault now means you cannot be questioned.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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I mean the whole thing I've been referring to is essentially a series of direct quotes from her with screenshots and links to the relevant material (some are screenshots because she's subsequently deleted the pieces). The only relevant defenses are that the quotes are fake, that the quotes lack relevant context that would change their meaning, or that the quotes are misleadingly edited.

I seriously don't even know what he's having a meltdown about although it was pretty funny when he challenged my Internet Honor.

The piece establishes that Tara Reade is not a credible person in the first place, so of course he has to discredit it. This clinches it-


Her reply to Hummer is classic grifter material. "You're a bad person! I can't believe you'd hurt me over the $1400 I stole from you!"
 

emperus

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Am I missing something, she was willing to come forward in that past that a Senator sexually harassed her, but waited until years later to add the detail that she was digitally penetrated? Someone explain.
 

fskimospy

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The piece establishes that Tara Reade is not a credible person in the first place, so of course he has to discredit it. This clinches it-


Her reply to Hummer is classic grifter material. "You're a bad person! I can't believe you'd hurt me over the $1400 I stole from you!"

I'm sure that deceiving and stealing from a prior employer also has no relevance to this! Especially the part where she accuses her past employer of misconduct with no evidence.
 

fskimospy

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Am I missing something, she was willing to come forward in that past that a Senator sexually harassed her, but waited until years later to add the detail that she was digitally penetrated? Someone explain.

Basically, last year she said Joe Biden ran his finger up her neck or something creepy like that but she didn't consider it a sexual thing. Then this year she said he sexually assaulted her. Last year she also said she was forced out of the office but thinks Biden didn't even know or notice. Now she says Biden orchestrated her blacklisting throughout DC.

Apparently pointing out that these are two dramatically different accounts that need to be reconciled makes you a bad person.
 

fskimospy

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Also, noting that none of the other staff in Biden't office during the time in question, from the top all the way down to the other interns have any recollection of any part of her account,say the office was basically the exact opposite of what she says, and say she has misrepresented her duties in that position makes you a bad person too.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Basically, last year she said Joe Biden ran his finger up her neck or something creepy like that but she didn't consider it a sexual thing. Then this year she said he sexually assaulted her. Last year she also said she was forced out of the office but thinks Biden didn't even know or notice. Now she says Biden orchestrated her blacklisting throughout DC.

Apparently pointing out that these are two dramatically different accounts that need to be reconciled makes you a bad person.
OR and this is just a possibility, the person losing their shit at those differences being pointed out has a completely different agenda than getting at the truth.
 
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sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Then why would she explicitly say she didn't consider Biden's acts sexual in nature? She didn't have to say that. She volunteered it.

And then why would she tell one interviewer that Biden probably doesn't know why she left and then tell another that Biden fired her?

Is Rape Sexual? Many have argued it isn't, what does that mean?
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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The piece establishes that Tara Reade is not a credible person in the first place, so of course he has to discredit it. This clinches it-


Her reply to Hummer is classic grifter material. "You're a bad person! I can't believe you'd hurt me over the $1400 I stole from you!"

This is just a Smear, totally unrelated and has no bearing on the Allegation. You understand that, right?
 

Jhhnn

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OR and this is just a possibility, the person losing their shit at those differences being pointed out has a completely different agenda than getting at the truth.

You mean concern trolling the Democrats for Trump? I think there's been a lot of it since 2016. It didn't even start until after he lost the primary back then & it's always been about Bad Democrats! & Bothsides! rather than wonderful Bernie. Just a different flavor of divisive & corrosive bullshit, pandering to the Left version of the Right Wing culture warrior headset. They'll both burn it down, given the chance. Putin loves 'em all.
 

interchange

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Oct 10, 1999
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The story is getting more troubling. I haven't commented at this point because I've been having some difficulty understanding my own feelings on the subject.

Personally, I don't make much of the Larry King call or the witness supporting a claim of harassment. That supports her original story and other accounts of Biden's inappropriate past behavior.

The thing that does concern me more is her friend's account. That's the most compelling evidence I've seen supporting Reade's most recent claims. I am still suspicious of it. Notably, from the BI piece:

It was after that story, LaCasse said, that she and Reade first revisited the conversation they'd had about Biden in the mid-'90s. "She mentioned that she had come forward," LaCasse said, "and so I said, 'Oh my gosh. Yeah. I do remember that.'"

Her friend connected with her after her story became public which dug up memories. That kind of refreshed memory under the influence of the relevant details being provided to her is highly suspect. Not presuming any fault on the part of LaCasse. It's simply the nature of memory, particularly when we have an emotional attachment to a particular report.

All that said, I do think the story supports Tara Reade's most recent claim. And here's the rub. There is more than typical in these cases which directly threatens the credibility of Reade. Nothing presented conclusively demonstrates an overt sexual assault happened or didn't happen. So we are in an in-between space. And even those calling for further investigation -- who is going to do it? and who will release the findings? and who would act upon the findings? If it's criminal, it's already dead in the water apparently from statute of limitations (which I wouldn't personally be in support of existing for sexual assault, but none of us get a choice here). Even if it weren't, it seems really unlikely that a criminal charge could be applied anyway. We are probably left with media. Which is probably telling quite a distorted story, and in some cases perhaps intentionally. What to do then?

Personally, if there were any situation we were facing other than voting to remove Trump, I would not vote for Biden even if that meant, for example, 4 more years of GW Bush. I disagree with @fskimospy in that our civil rights is an exercise in choosing the best of what's available. We are meant to be a more active government as a people, and I believe that, on the whole, a pattern of that approach degrades quality of government. Better in most cases to vote under principle and reward in the long run the candidates who have the best principles.

This is different. Trump is an imminent threat to America. My second choice, if it's not voting for Biden, would be revolution.
 

fskimospy

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Seems that this totally throws her credibility out the window. But do go on.
It’s astonishing that they are arguing that someone’s history of lying to, stealing from, and (apparently) lying about misconduct of one of their employers has no impact on the credibility of their statements about misconduct for another employer.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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The story is getting more troubling. I haven't commented at this point because I've been having some difficulty understanding my own feelings on the subject.

Personally, I don't make much of the Larry King call or the witness supporting a claim of harassment. That supports her original story and other accounts of Biden's inappropriate past behavior.

The thing that does concern me more is her friend's account. That's the most compelling evidence I've seen supporting Reade's most recent claims. I am still suspicious of it. Notably, from the BI piece:



Her friend connected with her after her story became public which dug up memories. That kind of refreshed memory under the influence of the relevant details being provided to her is highly suspect. Not presuming any fault on the part of LaCasse. It's simply the nature of memory, particularly when we have an emotional attachment to a particular report.

All that said, I do think the story supports Tara Reade's most recent claim. And here's the rub. There is more than typical in these cases which directly threatens the credibility of Reade. Nothing presented conclusively demonstrates an overt sexual assault happened or didn't happen. So we are in an in-between space. And even those calling for further investigation -- who is going to do it? and who will release the findings? and who would act upon the findings? If it's criminal, it's already dead in the water apparently from statute of limitations (which I wouldn't personally be in support of existing for sexual assault, but none of us get a choice here). Even if it weren't, it seems really unlikely that a criminal charge could be applied anyway. We are probably left with media. Which is probably telling quite a distorted story, and in some cases perhaps intentionally. What to do then?

Personally, if there were any situation we were facing other than voting to remove Trump, I would not vote for Biden even if that meant, for example, 4 more years of GW Bush. I disagree with @fskimospy in that our civil rights is an exercise in choosing the best of what's available. We are meant to be a more active government as a people, and I believe that, on the whole, a pattern of that approach degrades quality of government. Better in most cases to vote under principle and reward in the long run the candidates who have the best principles.

This is different. Trump is an imminent threat to America. My second choice, if it's not voting for Biden, would be revolution.
That’s all well and good but while you are rewarding the candidates with the best principles your opponents are voting strategically and beating you.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Ah yes, clearly her desire to conceal her sexual assault prompted her to say that she was fired from her job due to Biden's sexual harassment but he didn't know about it and then changed it to that she was fired from her job and he caused it because reasons.

Like, what?

I do like how your new tack is to now say that anyone questioning her numerous conflicting statements on the record about the time period in question is bad for doing so, as if alleging a sexual assault now means you cannot be questioned.

The time period in question, which was nearly 30 years ago. The incident in question, the story hasn't changed, other than she wasn't telling it, to now she is.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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This is just a Smear, totally unrelated and has no bearing on the Allegation. You understand that, right?

It goes to credibility, your honor. Reade made a backhanded admission to the fraud, ran a guilt trip on Hummer for calling her out & promised to pay her back when Reade got her mess of a life sorted out. Then bye-bye. Standard perpetual victim scam. And Hummer let it go because it wasn't enough money to make it a big deal. You can't get blood out of a turnip, anyway.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
15,995
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Am I missing something, she was willing to come forward in that past that a Senator sexually harassed her, but waited until years later to add the detail that she was digitally penetrated? Someone explain.

Explain what? Sexual harassment is in an entirely different league from sexual assault.
 
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