The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

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Jhhnn

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Have you examined the idea that you are? If my criticisms based upon Facts is being "a useful idiot", what does that tell you about the situation? Am I to base myself upon Denialism and "Fake News" in order to be in your good graces?

Fact- Tara Reade has heavily embellished her original account, rendering the whole thing highly suspect. But it's what you want to hear so you'll broadcast anything that tends to discredit Biden, of course, because Bernie. He's so wonderful. He is our voice. He alone can fix it. Blah, blah, blah. It's the progressive version of Trumpism.
 
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Vic

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And all this time I thought they were just people that wanted someone else to pay their bills.
Is that why you vote for Republican Presidents who have signed 3 economic bailouts in less than 20 years, totalling some $10 trillion dollars in wealth redistribution from taxpayers and the middle class to corporate interests? Because if that isn't wanting someone else to pay their bills, then nothing is. But hey, let's all cheer that Trump is 'fighting socialism' by handing out $1200 govt checks as if he were Oprah.
 
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sandorski

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Fact- Tara Reade has heavily embellished her original account, rendering the whole thing highly suspect. But it's what you want to hear so you'll broadcast anything that tends to discredit Biden, of course, because Bernie. He's so wonderful. He is our voice. He alone can fix it. Blah, blah, blah. It's the progressive version of Trumpism.

I merely said it should be Investigated. Not sure what you think was "embellished", different details are not necessarily embellishment.

As for Bernie fixing things, that has always been his stated goal. The same can not be said for Biden whose goal is merely to restore things back before Trump.
 

alcoholbob

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It's not because she didn't support Biden. She's in the progressive wing of the party, just like Biden's first accuser, the shoulder woman.

I'm not being disingenuous. Right now the progressives are trying to take down Biden.

Do you have that same standard when establishmentarians smear progressives, or do you agree with AOC that progressives and centrists would be in two different parties outside of the U.S., and thus politics simply comes down to a power struggle for you to push the left out of power in the Democratic party?
 

fskimospy

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False, they want the Democratic Party to return to its' roots and start paying attention to Workers. Stop with the fucking Russian Smears, they are pathetic.

Yes, they are akin to the Tea Party, ask yourself "Why?". Back in 2016, long before the Democratic Candidate was selected, the writing was on the wall that there was widespread dissatisfaction with the system. Neo-Liberalism the world over is being rejected. The Rightward move has occurred because the Rightwing began to address this dissatisfaction. The US Liberals have been trying to maintain the very system that is being rejected, until it addresses this movement it will struggle with gaining Power. Bernie's Progressivism is a return to FDR and a message that addresses the growing dissatisfication with Neo-Liberalism.

You realize the Tea Party was due to racism, not a problem with neoliberalism, right?
 

alcoholbob

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You realize the Tea Party was due to racism, not a problem with neoliberalism, right?

The tea party was funded by Kochs and big business for tax cuts and de-regulation. Certainly neoliberals share the same worldview as the Kochs in terms of using private money to further private interests in the public sphere which is helping them spread the movements they create by tacitly both agreeing to same framework of continuing private financing of elections. It may not be a "problem" of commission, but still clearly a sin by omission.

Certainly the Tea Party used dog whistles to draw right wing racists to their manufactured libertarian-fascist movement (because lets just be real, there aren't that many Libertarians in real life unless you pay people to pretend to be), but I think it's overly simplistic here to say the only "problem" are the right wing rubes that got drawn into that sham.
 
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sandorski

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You realize the Tea Party was due to racism, not a problem with neoliberalism, right?

Incorrect. Like after the Stock Market Crash of 29, one of the reactions to that Economic failure was a rise in Xenophobia culminating in Fascism. The Tea Party is a parallel of that. The Economy failed, Xenophobia increased, Obama was a perfect target for that rise. It was not because of Obama/Racism that the Tea Party formed though.
 

fskimospy

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Incorrect. Like after the Stock Market Crash of 29, one of the reactions to that Economic failure was a rise in Xenophobia culminating in Fascism. The Tea Party is a parallel of that. The Economy failed, Xenophobia increased, Obama was a perfect target for that rise. It was not because of Obama/Racism that the Tea Party formed though.

It was definitely because of Obama and racism, the empirical research shows as much.

That being said you don’t even need to look at the research, you can just look at things with your own eyes. It’s not a coincidence that the tea party started protesting out of control government spending and debt in February 2009 and then abruptly stopped caring in January 2017.
 
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Running the Bowling Green protocol again I see.
There was plenty PLENTY of evidence against Kavanaugh. Still is. Educate yourself on the concept of evidence. Before embarrassing your self in public again.
What was it? The charge from the guy in Rhode Island? nope. The Avenatti charges? nope. List the evidence, the whole world awaits.
 
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Due Process ? Nope, who was it that said it's just a job interview and you don't get due process for a job interview........Who was it that said it ? Can anyone remember ? Bueller? Bueller? Eskimo?
 

sandorski

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It was definitely because of Obama and racism, the empirical research shows as much.

That being said you don’t even need to look at the research, you can just look at things with your own eyes. It’s not a coincidence that the tea party started protesting out of control government spending and debt in February 2009 and then abruptly stopped caring in January 2017.

That assessment is assbackwards. Remember 2008? That kind of Economic disruption does not happen without social consequences.
 

fskimospy

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That assessment is assbackwards. Remember 2008? That kind of Economic disruption does not happen without social consequences.

Yes, I’m sure that’s why they conveniently appeared right after the first black president was inaugurated and then disappeared immediately after he left.

You don’t have to take my word for it though, there’s plenty of empirical research establishing racism as a core component of the tea party.
 
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Vic

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That assessment is assbackwards. Remember 2008? That kind of Economic disruption does not happen without social consequences.
And those social consequences were that tea partiers falsely blamed the economic disruption on black people and other minorities. They still blame the recession on the black President, even though he was elected into office a year after it had already started, and they still blame black people and other minorities for causing it (under a false narrative that the govt forced banks to make loans to them).
 

sandorski

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Yes, I’m sure that’s why they conveniently appeared right after the first black president was inaugurated and then disappeared immediately after he left.

You don’t have to take my word for it though, there’s plenty of empirical research establishing racism as a core component of the tea party.

The first Black President coincided with 2008. We have a Historical perspective to draw from in the Great Depression. We also have the rise of Xenophobia/Rightwing movements in Europe and other parts of the World. On top of that, Obama won twice. Another data point is that a number of Obama voters switched to voting for Trump in 2016. This idea that there is no dissatisfaction with the System itself is foolishness.
 

sandorski

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And those social consequences were that tea partiers falsely blamed the economic disruption on black people and other minorities. They still blame the recession on the black President, even though he was elected into office a year after it had already started, and they still blame black people and other minorities for causing it (under a false narrative that the govt forced banks to make loans to them).

Like I said, the Economic failure gave rise to Xenophobia. Xenophobia did not rise because the US elected a Black Man. People seek Scapegoats in times of duress.
 

fskimospy

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The first Black President coincided with 2008. We have a Historical perspective to draw from in the Great Depression. We also have the rise of Xenophobia/Rightwing movements in Europe and other parts of the World. On top of that, Obama won twice. Another data point is that a number of Obama voters switched to voting for Trump in 2016. This idea that there is no dissatisfaction with the System itself is foolishness.
I didn’t say there was no dissatisfaction with the system, just that the tea party didn’t actually give a shit about that. Again, don’t take my word for it, go read the research yourself.

Since it looks like we are in for a nasty recession again and federal debt and spending is through the roof though I’m sure the tea party will be showing up again any minute now. Because it totally wasn’t about racism.

*checks watch*

...aaaaaaany minute now.
 

sandorski

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I didn’t say there was no dissatisfaction with the system, just that the tea party didn’t actually give a shit about that. Again, don’t take my word for it, go read the research yourself.

Since it looks like we are in for a nasty recession again and federal debt and spending is through the roof though I’m sure the tea party will be showing up again any minute now. Because it totally wasn’t about racism.

*checks watch*

...aaaaaaany minute now.

sigh, The Tea Party is an agent of Xenophobia, but People flocked to it because of Economic duress. This phenomena was not limited to the US and occurred around the same time. Whatever "Research" you are talking about is just plain wrong, probably just an apologetic.

Even at the time We knew that the Tea Party was not a Grassroots effort, but was being orchestrated by certain people like the Koch Bros. They captured a segment of those affected by the 2008 Recession to use for their particular Political goals.
 

fskimospy

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sigh, The Tea Party is an agent of Xenophobia, but People flocked to it because of Economic duress. This phenomena was not limited to the US and occurred around the same time.

So where is the tea party now? Are they just tired from all that protesting and are resting?

Just want to know when I can expect their return as it’s totally economic distress and not racism.

Whatever "Research" you are talking about is just plain wrong, probably just an apologetic.

Oh okay then.
 

sandorski

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So where is the tea party now? Are they just tired from all that protesting and are resting?

Just want to know when I can expect their return as it’s totally economic distress and not racism.



Oh okay then.

How do you explain this happening elsewhere?

How do you explain the divide in Age between Biden and Bernie within the Democratic Party?
 

fskimospy

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How do you explain this happening elsewhere?

Not sure how you think this disproves my point. The tea party clearly didn’t care about the economic policy problems for the incredibly obvious reason that the exact same policies continued and accelerated under Trump and they don’t care.
 

sandorski

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Not sure how you think this disproves my point. The tea party clearly didn’t care about the economic policy problems for the incredibly obvious reason that the exact same policies continued and accelerated under Trump and they don’t care.

So, the rise of Xenophobia/Rightwing in Europe/Elsewhere after the 2008 Recession that coincides with the same in the US is because of American Racism? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? It doesn't matter if the Tea Party was genuine or not, it was an attempt by certain Republicans to grab some Political Power after a significant defeat.
 

fskimospy

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So, the rise of Xenophobia/Rightwing in Europe/Elsewhere after the 2008 Recession that coincides with the same in the US is because of American Racism? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? It doesn't matter if the Tea Party was genuine or not, it was an attempt by certain Republicans to grab some Political Power after a significant defeat.

Great, so now you’re agreeing with me that the tea party was motivated by racism, not economics.
 
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