The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

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JEDIYoda

Lifer
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ask taj so supply links to what he claims to be the truth..........he can`t! So according to the forum rules , he has been called and as such either he provides links or he shuts up.....simple
 

Starbuck1975

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Several Democrat Senators rushed to demand Dr. Ford’s allegations receive consideration long before there were any details to give them validity.

In this thread, we see people questioning the motives of the alleged victim, much as Republicans did against Dr. Ford.

Why would Tara Reade willingly come forward knowing full well the backlash that accusers of powerful men often face?

Maybe Ronan Farrow can look into this.
 

fskimospy

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Several Democrat Senators rushed to demand Dr. Ford’s allegations receive consideration long before there were any details to give them validity.

In this thread, we see people questioning the motives of the alleged victim, much as Republicans did against Dr. Ford.

Why would Tara Reade willingly come forward knowing full well the backlash that accusers of powerful men often face?

Maybe Ronan Farrow can look into this.

Well, the inconsistencies in her story do affect her credibility but what’s nice is that Democrats aren’t hypocrites and I don’t see anyone saying her allegations shouldn’t be investigated.

Credible allegations should always be vetted and investigated because that’s the right thing to do. The main problem is that conservative hypocrites flipped out about numerous credible allegations against Kavanaugh and rammed through his confirmation before they could be investigated. We have plenty of time to investigate this now so that shameful spectacle doesn’t need to be repeated.
 

HomerJS

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Several Democrat Senators rushed to demand Dr. Ford’s allegations receive consideration long before there were any details to give them validity.

In this thread, we see people questioning the motives of the alleged victim, much as Republicans did against Dr. Ford.

Why would Tara Reade willingly come forward knowing full well the backlash that accusers of powerful men often face?

Maybe Ronan Farrow can look into this.
I'll speak for myself I didn't question her motives but I did ask show evidence she told anyone prior to 2019 Joe Biden grabbed her genitalia?

In Blasey-Fords case the were people who were told her story many years before Kavanaugh was considered.
 

fskimospy

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I'll speak for myself I didn't question her motives but I did ask show evidence she told anyone prior to 2019 Joe Biden grabbed her genitalia?

In Blasey-Fords case the were people who were told her story many years before Kavanaugh was considered.

Her brother and friend say she told them of an incident at the time. I think that enhances her credibility. She's also dramatically changed the story she told though from an incident that's pretty innocuous to a sexual assault, which undermines her credibility. That and the Putin stuff is just super weird.

Still I think it's credible enough it deserves investigation, although I would be surprised if an investigation can turn up that much. It's not like Kavanaugh where he was perjuring himself left and right.
 
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Again you're spouting bullshit and talking about different points. However you cannot change the fact that there is far more reason to believe Tara Reade's accusations against creepy Joe Biden the serial sexual predator and the mainstream Democrats support of something they've been railing against for 3-4 years.

The hypocrisy is stunning as well as delicious.

You are simply lying about this since again it makes 100% sense that especially one of them would have no memory of the event, and Ford never claimed to have told the other witnesses about what happened. In the case of Mark Judge she had no reason to talk to him about the event since he was there to see it according to her testimony, and the blackout drunk point on Mark Judge has also already been covered on top of the reason he had potential motivation to intentionally lie. Their testimony simply did not actually refute what Ford claimed.


Who else could it possibly be? We're talking about someone who was a federal judge by 2012, went to an elite boys school, and by the same period was a "highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington." Mark Judge incidentally fits as someone else who went to that same school and could have been considered by some part of that group of members of society in Washington by 2012, which further fits with Ford's public claim.

The last one actually massively narrows down the pool of candidates because most federal judges do not live in the DC area in the first place, but other areas in the country so they are unlikely to be described as being part of such a group, especially given they also have to be the right age to have plausibly been at such a party and going to such a boys school at the time. There is a real possibility that if you do enough research Kavanaugh would be the only person who would possibly fit the description. This is especially true given the person needed to have been living in the DC area during the specific period. While I suppose it is theoretically possible someone from another part of the country happened to come to such a party while briefly visiting and tried to rape her, it would also be unlikely that if Ford did not say something at the time to someone else she would know that person's full name and for example that they eventually became a federal judge. (I suppose Ford could have been preparing a potential future false accusation against Kavanaugh all the way back to 2012 and planning her behavior accordingly, but that would certainly seem to be an unlikely scenario.)


Of course the legal requirement for a conviction for jaywalking is actually ordinarily the same for any other crime that could theoretically reach a jury. She did not refuse to specify any of those things, she simply asserted she could not remember them. Ideally of course she would remember everything perfect even after so long ago, but again who she told in the past about the incident is actually the sort of thing which has been used to successfully obtain rape convictions in the past in terms of evidence. Of course an underlying point is the standard to use evidence of past behavior to block a nomination to something like the Supreme Court is lower than an actual criminal conviction.


You're simply acting preposterously and showing how far you are willing to sink with your partisanship. Among other things, unlike all the facts supporting Ford's story, Tara Reade dramatically changed her story publicly from simply claiming Biden touched her inappropriately to some degree and that was it, to suddenly now claiming a digital penetration. There are clear reasons to take one story far more seriously than the other one. You owe me and others on this forum an apology for your false accusation against us.
 

fskimospy

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Please source that claim.


There were no witnesses to Reade’s assault, but she told The Intercept that she’d spoken to a close friend, as well as her brother, at the time of the alleged assault, and both have confirmed this with The Intercept.
 
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Aegeon

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Again you're spouting bullshit and talking about different points. However you cannot change the fact that there is far more reason to believe Tara Reade's accusations against creepy Joe Biden the serial sexual predator and the mainstream Democrats support of something they've been railing against for 34 years.

The hypocrisy is stunning as well as delicious.
We have clearly established otherwise in this thread, and all you have been able to to is misstate some basic facts of the Kavanaugh case and not admit it even when called out about it. I will conclude your failure to effectively respond to my posts and continuing to fail to cite sources for yours is a concession at this point. I will agree at least that your hypocrisy would be considered stunning, although as noted your pattern of "arguing" on this forum means this is not the case.
 

Vic

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The truth hurts doesn't in fskimo? Go vote for Joe Biden, the creepy sexual predator and pretend your hands are clean.
You're going to vote again for a creepy sexual predator who brags about grabbin em by the pussy and who paid to have sex with a pornstar while his 3rd wife was pregnant with his 5th child. A little shoulder rub doesn't even come close to that, hypocrite.
 

HomerJS

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Again you're spouting bullshit and talking about different points. However you cannot change the fact that there is far more reason to believe Tara Reade's accusations against creepy Joe Biden the serial sexual predator and the mainstream Democrats support of something they've been railing against for 3-4 years.

The hypocrisy is stunning as well as delicious.
You have ZERO credibility because you support the guy who admitted he is a sexual predator.

Why should anyone believe a word that spills out of your fucking mouth???
 
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Jhhnn

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I pity anybody who can't detect the eau de bullshit wafting from the escalation of the accusations. Accusers who embellish their original accounts have zero credibility. Ask any judge.
 

fskimospy

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I wonder what the media narrative would be if Sanders was accused of sexual assault and then Brianna Joy Gray or Nina Turner scrubbed their social media accounts of their support for Christine Blasey Ford.

Oh wait, no I don't.

Do you really wonder? It would probably be close to nothing because nobody gives a shit what campaign advisers do.

You guys are acting like Trumpkins again, now inventing your own new conspiracy theory of the media biased against you.
 
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Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Well, the inconsistencies in her story do affect her credibility but what’s nice is that Democrats aren’t hypocrites and I don’t see anyone saying her allegations shouldn’t be investigated.
Out of the starting gate, Democrats were quick to believe Dr. Ford and the less credible Avenatti circus. I don’t see Warren, Harris or Gillibrand hash tagging that they believe Reade.

Credible allegations should always be vetted and investigated because that’s the right thing to do. The main problem is that conservative hypocrites flipped out about numerous credible allegations against Kavanaugh and rammed through his confirmation before they could be investigated. We have plenty of time to investigate this now so that shameful spectacle doesn’t need to be repeated.
Newsweek, Vox and Huffpost are now reporting on the Biden allegations. The coronavirus urgency is the only thing protecting Biden right now.
 

Blackjack200

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Do you really wonder? It would probably be close to nothing because nobody gives a shit what campaign advisers do.

You guys are acting like Trumpkins again, now inventing your own new conspiracy theory of the media biased against you.

They don't?
 

fskimospy

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Out of the starting gate, Democrats were quick to believe Dr. Ford and the less credible Avenatti circus. I don’t see Warren, Harris or Gillibrand hash tagging that they believe Reade.

Well Ford’s allegations were both more serious and more credible and had direct impact on a congressional proceeding with an extremely short time table (done to protect Kavanaugh).

So like, duh.

Newsweek, Vox and Huffpost are now reporting on the Biden allegations. The coronavirus urgency is the only thing protecting Biden right now.

If it turns out to be credible then sure, although I doubt much will come of it personally.

But I mean even if he were guilty of this and ten more just like it that wouldn’t really change things in my mind. He’s the nominee and anyone who is the nominee against Trump gets my vote. Period.
 

Vic

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Out of the starting gate, Democrats were quick to believe Dr. Ford and the less credible Avenatti circus. I don’t see Warren, Harris or Gillibrand hash tagging that they believe Reade.

Newsweek, Vox and Huffpost are now reporting on the Biden allegations. The coronavirus urgency is the only thing protecting Biden right now.

The people who insisted Dr. Ford wasn't credible and who smeared her reputation are now insisting everyone must believe Reade or else be branded a hypocrite. The irony is rich, and only goes to show who the real hypocrites are. Just so they can protect the re-election hopes of the Orange Clown who grabs em by the pussy and destroyed the US economy.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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I'll speak for myself I didn't question her motives but I did ask show evidence she told anyone prior to 2019 Joe Biden grabbed her genitalia?
Biden also has a reputation for being a bit creepy. It could just be a generational thing. Newsweek has an article out now that documents her attempts to go through numerous channels to assert her allegations.

In Blasey-Fords case the were people who were told her story many years before Kavanaugh was considered.
Initially, those details were not known when Democrats rushed to believe Dr. Ford and demand an investigation. Not seeing anywhere near a comparable benefit of the doubt extended to the victim in response to the allegations against Biden.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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The people who insisted Dr. Ford wasn't credible and who smeared her reputation and now insisting everyone believe Reade or be branded a hypocrite. The irony is rich, and only goes to show who the real hypocrites are. Just so they can protect the re-election hopes of the Orange Clown who grabs em by the pussy and destroyed the US economy.
Equally rich are those who exploited Dr. Ford to achieve their political goals, who are now hypocritically silent.

#ibelieveher*

*when politically convenient
 

NWRMidnight

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Damn, it's pretty bad when you go into a topic, read thru it and feel like you need to put on 3 foot waders because the BS is so thick and deep it makes you feel like you are really standing in it.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
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They don’t. I bet you that woman has nationwide poll recognition in the low single digits. I had never even heard of the Sanders advisers you were so sure there would be a media firestorm about, haha.

I seem to remember the candidate you supported making quite a big deal about the behavior of surrogates and supporters. And I remember the media dutifully reporting on it.
 

Vic

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Equally rich are those who exploited Dr. Ford to achieve their political goals, who are now hypocritically silent.

#ibelieveher*

*when politically convenient
Yes, we already know that the only reason you believe her is because it is politically convenient for you do so this time. Which is what makes you the hypocrite, quite obviously.

And are you gonna argue this lie to death like you do every other blatant lie you so hypocritically tell on this forum? Will you go on and on for page after page changing the definitions of common words to suit your lies as usual? Will it be as 'equally rich' as the time you argued for days that serving halal meals in a public school would put non-Muslim food suppliers out of work until you found that the food supplier was Tyson?
Some of us have more important things to do than argue with you and your well-deserved reputation for persistent dishonesty.
 
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