The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

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Oh nice, HumblePee decided to piss all over himself in this thread too. Just remember to not use your surrogate penis, I don't wanna pull a muscle laughing at yet another "responsible gun owner" shooting themselves.

You go to a certain kind of way too vivid imagery too often. We allow a ton here, but the key is not too offensively raunchy, too often.

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fskimospy

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Depends on where you are at. Some states/munipalities criminalize attempts at sexual gratification as sexual assault. Like if someone masturbates off of an act. If Biden was using the hair smelling to wank off it could be sexual assault criminal charge. Impossible to prove unless he is doing in front of the person though.

The accusations against Biden are not only smelling hair. They include kissing, hugging, and touching intimate parts.



unwanted kissing in some states counts as a sex crime.



The thigh is listed in many states as an intimate body part for sexual assault charges of sexual contact.

Many of the allegations may not be listed as sexual crimes by various states, but would be listed as other types of crimes though. My post didn't list that all those were sexual crimes. I stated that multiple people have alleged Joe Biden of sexual assault.



Tara Reade, Lucy Flores, and Caitlyn Caruso would be multiple people and depending on where those actions occurred would be criminal sexual assault charges.

Biden also has a larger history of sexual harassment allegations which are civil offenses still.
Great, so if that’s the case please show us a conviction for someone kissing the back of someone’s head or touching them on the thigh. Not the inner thigh, just the thigh.

Or is your argument that these acts constitute sexual assault but literally no one in the history of the United States has been convicted of it?
 
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How is that different than Dr. Ford’s allegations?
This comparison is completely inappropriate. The allegations to compare to are those against Trump, which number over 20.

As for Kavanaugh, other accusers did come forward. Republicans conveniently forget that.
 

eelw

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If Tara has people willing to consistently corroborate those accusations against Trump over time, her allegations should receive the same level of consideration and validation that Democrats afforded to Dr. Ford.
But it’s the history actions by the person that come into play. None of us are denying Joe is creepy by being so touchy and feely. So out of the blue he’s being accused of sexual assault? Unlike Trump, we have many allegations of his history of sexual assault claims. It’s like if someone came out now to claim Sanders raped them. We can support #MeToo while being able to see if an allegation is a political hit job.
 
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HumblePie

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Great, so if that’s the case please show us a conviction for someone kissing the back of someone’s head or touching them on the thigh. Not the inner thigh, just the thigh.

Or is your argument that these acts constitute sexual assault but literally no one in the history of the United States has been convicted of it?

(https://www.roanoke.com/news/crime/...cle_5e94da35-dc37-5f7a-8302-8eaa8d39be5f.html)
(https://www.fox43.com/article/news/...-job/521-b15e9cd8-97b5-4a12-8776-c5689c87a93b
(https://law.justia.com/cases/oregon/court-of-appeals/2006/a124680.html)

No one has been brought up on criminal charges for unwanted kissing? Oregan law doesn't define what parts explicitly are intimate. Had Lucy Flores's incident happened in Oregan it could be sexual assault.

As far as the thigh is concern, some states stipulate inner thigh and some just state thigh. Again it depends on where the incident occurred. I already made that as a qualification to my previous post.

Don't get me started on the UCMJ either.

(https://www.sapr.mil/public/docs/ucmj/UCMJ_Article120_Rape_Sexual_Assault.pdf)

any touching, or causing another per-son to touch, either directly or through the cloth-ing, any body part of any person, if done with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person. Touching may be accomplished by any part of the body.

It just has to be defined as an unwanted sexual act. While not a civilian crime, it would be a military crime.

So no one literally in the history of the United States has been convicted of these crimes? Care to apologize yet?
 

Starbuck1975

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I mean it’s a transparently ridiculous claim and no DA would ever bring such a charge, hence why I challenged him to link a case, we all know that’s impossible.

‘Smelling someone’s hair is sexual assault’ has to be one of the stupidest things someone on here has ever said and that’s saying a lot.
I welcome you to start smelling the hair of your female coworkers and report back how that works out for you.
 

fskimospy

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I welcome you to start smelling the hair of your female coworkers and report back how that works out for you.
I think it would be inappropriate and I would get in trouble at work for doing it. Do you think I would be convicted of sexual assault if I did it?
 

fskimospy

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(https://www.roanoke.com/news/crime/...cle_5e94da35-dc37-5f7a-8302-8eaa8d39be5f.html)
(https://www.fox43.com/article/news/...-job/521-b15e9cd8-97b5-4a12-8776-c5689c87a93b
(https://law.justia.com/cases/oregon/court-of-appeals/2006/a124680.html)

No one has been brought up on criminal charges for unwanted kissing? Oregan law doesn't define what parts explicitly are intimate. Had Lucy Flores's incident happened in Oregan it could be sexual assault.

As far as the thigh is concern, some states stipulate inner thigh and some just state thigh. Again it depends on where the incident occurred. I already made that as a qualification to my previous post.

Don't get me started on the UCMJ either.

(https://www.sapr.mil/public/docs/ucmj/UCMJ_Article120_Rape_Sexual_Assault.pdf)

It just has to be defined as an unwanted sexual act. While not a civilian crime, it would be a military crime.

So in other words not a single case of someone being convicted of sexual assault for kissing someone on the back of their head or touching their thigh.

Thanks for the second confirmation.
 

Starbuck1975

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This comparison is completely inappropriate. The allegations to compare to are those against Trump, which number over 20.

As for Kavanaugh, other accusers did come forward. Republicans conveniently forget that.

The other accusations against Kavanaugh never solidified as anything substantial, they were part of the Avenatti circus.

There are two comparisons, Trump to Biden and Biden to Kavanaugh.

Republicans are hypocrites to accuse Biden given their support of Trump.

Democrats are hypocrites for attacking Reade given their support of Dr. Ford.
 

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I think it would be inappropriate and I would get in trouble at work for doing it. Do you think I would be convicted of sexual assault if I did it?
Depends on the power dynamic and if the woman perceived your advances as sexual in nature and without consent.
 

fskimospy

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The other accusations against Kavanaugh never solidified as anything substantial, they were part of the Avenatti circus.

There are two comparisons, Trump to Biden and Biden to Kavanaugh.

Republicans are hypocrites to accuse Biden given their support of Trump.

Democrats are hypocrites for attacking Reade given their support of Dr. Ford.
It’s kind of amazing that you’ve decided Democrats are hypocrites for attacking someone who is probably lying but not attacking someone who is probably telling the truth.
 

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The other accusations against Kavanaugh never solidified as anything substantial, they were part of the Avenatti circus.

There are two comparisons, Trump to Biden and Biden to Kavanaugh.

Republicans are hypocrites to accuse Biden given their support of Trump.

Democrats are hypocrites for attacking Reade given their support of Dr. Ford.

So democrats now must believe all women who make sexual assault accusations without question?

Can you show me a single democrat politician that has stated all women must be believed without question? How long should I wait?
 
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But it’s the history actions by the person that come into play. None of us are denying Joe is creepy by being so touchy and feely. So out of the blue he’s being accused of sexual assault? Unlike Trump, we have many allegations of his history of sexual assault claims. It’s like if someone came out now to claim Sanders raped them. We can support #MeToo while being able to see if an allegation is a political hit job.

Did you notice that they're not talking about Reade's accusation any more? Of course not, because she's been exposed as a liar of the worst sort. False charges of sexual assault are the lowest of low blows. They don't care, because they have no shame. Where's Joseph Welch when we need him?
 

fskimospy

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Depends on the power dynamic and if the woman perceived your advances as sexual in nature and without consent.
Really. You think a prosecutor is going to bring a criminal case of sexual assault against someone for smelling hair and a jury is going to convict.

Seriously. Lol.

Since you think that’s a possibility and there are hundreds of millions of Americans and years of legal history surely you can find me a single case where this has ever happened in all of American history.
 

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I came i saying I didn't care about the main point. My original comment was about the hypocrisy going on here. Go read it if you don't believe it. I never engaged a strawman because I never made one to counter someone else's claim in this thread. I made an out of the blue comment from the get go and fskimospy and others like you do what you always do. Which is not to read my post and make strawman arguments, deflect, and do ad hominen attacks. I said not a word in response in my first post to anyone else's post directly. It was straight up talking about the hypocrisy. I didn't know there is a rule that I have to only talk about the main point of a thread in this forum. Is there such a one?

There is discussion within this long thread about challenges in Biden's character and how that affects his electability among those who haven't found Reade's allegation of rape credible. I know. I participated in those conversations.

More specifically, not including that Biden once publicly misrepresented his educational background is quite a weak argument for hypocrisy. The direct counter example of Reade misrepresenting her educational background is a tiny and recent part of this thread. That Biden had once also done so has no relevance as to whether Reade has a credible story to tell. And it is actually something I didn't even know about until you brought it up here.

I think it's fine to discuss. There's tangential relevance to the thread. But not under the implication that someone is bad for not having discussed it.

If the touching is unwanted, it certainly is sexual assault. How the hell are you this ignorant of the law?

Sexual criminal statues are actually significantly variable in different jurisdictions. An act may be sexual harassment and also assault. More generally, the distinguishing features of a sexual assault are that the contact be explicitly sexual and intentional in nature or with intent to lead to a sexual act and involves some component which degrades capacity to consent such as use of force, threat, intimidation, use of authority, or a person who inherently lacks capacity.

For Biden, it could be possible that something alleged rose to assault, but it is not an argument any victim made which I am aware. For example, if there was consequence or threat thereof and any evidence that a specifically sexual act was desired.
 

HumblePie

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So in other words not a single case of someone being convicted of sexual assault for kissing someone on the back of their head or touching their thigh.

Thanks for the second confirmation.

Did you not read the story of Oregon? We also don't know which part of the thigh Biden touched on Caitlyn since she didn't elaborate. I also noted that the laws exist on the books. These types of low levels crimes as such that convicted stories aren't likely to have a record I can easily find on the internet. Doesn't mean the convictions haven't happened or makes the actions still not illegal in those areas that have those laws as a sexual assault crime. Why are you adamant to defend Biden here when I said multiple people have alleged sexual assault actions against him. Lack of conviction stories for small crimes like this posted on the internet doesn't at all detract from the statement I made. Your dismissal of it all though is very telling.
 
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How is that different than Dr. Ford’s allegations?
3 separate people claimed similar experiences with Kavanaugh during the time he went to college. Nobody else has accused Biden of anything like Tara's story over a what? 40+ year career?

Corroboration of Ford's accusation can be found here:
In June 2013, five years before the Kavanaugh nomination, Ford was having lunch with a friend named Adela Gildo-Mazzon, who has been a California realtor for 15 years. During that lunch, Ford told Gildo-Mazzon that she had almost been raped by a man who is a federal judge. She also stated in her affidavit that she had not talked to Ford since May 2018, which was before Kennedy had resigned and before Kavanaugh had been nominated.
In 2016, Ford was standing in a public area with Keith Koegler, who was a family friend of the Fords and also their son’s softball coach, watching their children play. During the conversation they were having, Ford told Koegler that she had been assaulted by a man who is now a federal judge. That was two years before Kavanaugh was nominated to the Supreme Court.
In 2017, Ford told a neighbor named Rebecca White that she had been assaulted by an older teen who is now a federal judge. That was the year before the Kavanaugh nomination.
In 2002 when Russell and Christine Ford got married, she told him that she was a sex-abuse victim. That was 16 years before the Kavanaugh nomination. In 2012, Russell listened to Christine tell her therapist that two boys pinned her to a bed, molested her, and prevented her from screaming. Russell stated that during the therapy session, Christine mentioned Kavanaugh’s name. That was 6 years before the Kavanaugh nomination.
Depends on the power dynamic and if the woman perceived your advances as sexual in nature and without consent.
So I take it you haven't had harassment training recently.
 

fskimospy

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Did you not read the story of Oregon? We also don't know which part of the thigh Biden touched on Caitlyn since she didn't elaborate. I also noted that the laws exist on the books. The types of crimes when convicted aren't like to have a record I can easily find on the internet. Doesn't mean the convictions haven't happened or makes the actions still not illegal in those areas that have those laws as a sexual assault crime. Why are you adamant to defend Biden here when I said multiple people have alleged sexual assault actions against him. Lack of conviction stories for small crimes like this posted on the internet doesn't at all detract from the statement I made. Your dismissal of it all though is very telling.
I did read the story, it was not kissing someone on the back of the head.

I think your inability to find a single, solitary case where the law has been applied in the way you claim it applies should indicate to you that your understanding of it is wrong.

Yes though, I’m sure there are zillions of cases that you just can’t happen to find.
 

eelw

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The other accusations against Kavanaugh never solidified as anything substantial, they were part of the Avenatti circus.



Democrats are hypocrites for attacking Reade given their support of Dr. Ford.
Again this is credibility of individuals involved. Ford kept the accusation to state representative in efforts stop the nomination. But her story of Kavanaugh getting black out drunk falls in line with many others during his college days. Again, if there were as many accusers again Biden we would have believed Reade’s allegations more initially.
 

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Did you not read the story of Oregon? We also don't know which part of the thigh Biden touched on Caitlyn since she didn't elaborate. I also noted that the laws exist on the books. The types of crimes when convicted aren't like to have a record I can easily find on the internet. Doesn't mean the convictions haven't happened or makes the actions still not illegal in those areas that have those laws as a sexual assault crime. Why are you adamant to defend Biden here when I said multiple people have alleged sexual assault actions against him. Lack of conviction stories for small crimes like this posted on the internet doesn't at all detract from the statement I made. Your dismissal of it all though is very telling.

That's a lie. None of the women involved characterized Biden's actions as sexual assault. Not one. A few found it creepy, or claimed they did, but none of the many women interviewed by NPR even characterized it as that. And, uhh, you know, I figure women know when they're being sexually assaulted. Just a hunch. Funny how you seem to think that you know more about it than they do.
 

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I did read the story, it was not kissing someone on the back of the head.

I think your inability to find a single, solitary case where the law has been applied in the way you claim it applies should indicate to you that your understanding of it is wrong.

Yes though, I’m sure there are zillions of cases that you just can’t happen to find.

It happened to his girlfriend but she goes to a different school
 

HumblePie

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Sexual criminal statues are actually significantly variable in different jurisdictions. An act may be sexual harassment and also assault. More generally, the distinguishing features of a sexual assault are that the contact be explicitly sexual and intentional in nature or with intent to lead to a sexual act and involves some component which degrades capacity to consent such as use of force, threat, intimidation, use of authority, or a person who inherently lacks capacity.

For Biden, it could be possible that something alleged rose to assault, but it is not an argument any victim made which I am aware. For example, if there was consequence or threat thereof and any evidence that a specifically sexual act was desired.

Places like Oregon only define the assault has to be sexual in nature on an intimate part of the body. As i said, it is different in different places and some allegations are very hard to prove. I linked the story of a man going to jail for kissing a woman on the neck as a sexual assault charge in Oregon. I have stated more than a few times that different jurisdictions have different definitions for sexual assault. Unwanted touching though is at least at minimum considered battery in all of the United States.

Also, if the acts happened in different countries it could be sexual assault crimes.
 

HumblePie

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That's a lie. None of the women involved characterized Biden's actions as sexual assault. Not one. A few found it creepy, or claimed they did, but none of the many women interviewed by NPR even characterized it as that. And, uhh, you know, I figure women know when they're being sexually assaulted. Just a hunch. Funny how you seem to think that you know more about it than they do.

I'll grant you this that my wording could have been clearer here and you are right. The women alleged sexual actions that could be taken in some places as allegations of sexual assault from that list. I should have done a little bit better of qualifying that statement there. At the same time, I didn't say they claimed criminal charges against Biden either.
 

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It happened to his girlfriend but she goes to a different school
Haha true. I can’t believe this thread has devolved into people claiming you can get sent to prison for criminal sexual assault for smelling someone’s hair.

For fuck’s sake, people.
 

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Haha true. I can’t believe this thread has devolved into people claiming you can get sent to prison for criminal sexual assault for smelling someone’s hair.

For fuck’s sake, people.

Yeah, this is one for the ages. It might not quite reach the pinnacle of claiming that allowing gay marriage was a slippery slope to allowing people to marry their toaster, but it's perilously close to that zenith. Yet this discussion is still young. It may yet ascend to even higher levels of hilarity.
 
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