The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation

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Aegeon

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I can’t link you to common sense. Kavanaugh held a number of prominent government positions, and was floated on a few short lists as under consideration for SCOTUS. The accusations only surfaced after he received the nomination. People are questioning why Reade has chosen to come forward now. That same reasoning applies to Dr. Ford.
The problem with this argument is the quite clear evidence that Ford tried to air the issue (albeit while retaining anonymity) PRIOR to Kavanaugh being actually nominated for the Supreme Court, although when reports had surfaced he was being considered. This very much fits with a scenario where Ford as she claimed was trying to manage to discretely bring the issue to the attention of the White House so they would actually pick someone else as the nominee, but there would not be be a big spectacle regarding the allegations which would lead to the degree of exposure she ended up experiencing. (What happened is the accusation later leaked and her anonymity was blown, at which point she felt she needed to publicly defend herself and go on the record on what happened.)

If Ford's actual goal had been to spike any Supreme Court nomination by a conservative at the time, trying to air her claim as early as she did simply did not make sense. Particularly if the White House had been closely divided on whom to select, the issue could have spooked them and cause them to go for the other candidate with the general public presumably not aware of this. (Or at least not until at least several decades later when archival records got released.) The reality is the other candidates under serious consideration by the Trump administration were also very conservative, so if the goal was merely to try to stop a conservative nominee from being confirmed, Ford should have absolutely sat on her claim until Kavanaugh's nomination had been announced before talking to anyone.

Basically the political motivation only makes sense if Ford very deeply cared about a fairly exotic legal issue where there might have been a difference between the conservative potential nominees. Alternately she could have theoretically held a severe personal grudge against Kavanaugh for some other reason and made up the claim as a result, but there seems to be a lack of obvious reasons this would be the case since in general they were not close or interacted that often even though they lived in the same general area. By contrast, especially with the recent and more severe March of this year accusation there are really obvious possible political motives for Reade to have chosen to make a false claim at that time, especially since this was after Biden's comeback, with some assuming his nomination chances were dead after the early Iowa and New Hampshire results, but Biden now had clear front-runner status after Super Tuesday.
 
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Starbuck1975

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The problem with this argument is the quite clear evidence that Ford tried to air the issue (albeit while retaining anonymity) PRIOR to Kavanaugh being actually nominated for the Supreme Court, although when reports had surfaced he was being considered. This very much fits with a scenario where Ford as she claimed was trying to manage to discretely bring the issue to the attention of the White House so they would actually pick someone else as the nominee, but there would not be be a big spectacle regarding the allegations which would lead to the degree of exposure she ended up experiencing. (What happened is the accusation later leaked and her anonymity was blown, at which point she felt she needed to publicly defend herself and go on the record on what happened.)

If Ford's actual goal had been to spike any Supreme Court nomination by a conservative at the time, trying to air her claim as early as she did simply did not make sense. Particularly if the White House had been closely divided on whom to select, the issue could have spooked them and cause them to go for the other candidate with the general public presumably not aware of this. (Or at least not until at least several decades later when archival records got released.) The reality is the other candidates under serious consideration by the Trump administration were also very conservative, so if the goal was merely to try to stop a conservative nominee from being confirmed, Ford should have absolutely sat on her claim until Kavanaugh's nomination had been announced before talking to anyone.

Basically the political motivation only makes sense if Ford very deeply cared about a fairly exotic legal issue where there might have been a difference between the conservative potential nominees. Alternately she could have theoretically held a severe personal grudge against Kavanaugh for some other reason and made up the claim as a result, but there seems to be a lack of obvious reasons this would be the case since in general they were not close or interacted that often even though they lived in the same general area. By contrast, especially with the recent and more severe March of this year accusation there are really obvious possible political motives for Reade to have chosen to make a false claim at that time, especially since this was after Biden's comeback, with some assuming his nomination chances were dead after the early Iowa and New Hampshire results, but Biden now had clear front-runner status after Super Tuesday.
The reasoning you gave for Dr. Ford coming forward easily applies to Reade.
 

Starbuck1975

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No but it is Reades problem that she has made this political......you can`t have it both ways......Reade herself made it political.....
No, Democrats made #metoo political and now its proven inconvenient to their front runner. Can’t have it both ways.
 

Starbuck1975

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Except I already linked the words from both women and their reasons for coming forward now. Apparently you only believe women when it’s convenient. Maybe you should evaluate all relevant info before being a both sides bitch.
I have evaluated all relevant information and have determined it futile to reason with waterboyBidenbitches.
 

Starbuck1975

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The timing of when Reade was charged with a crime is a problem for her, not Biden, haha.

It’s especially interesting that it’s fundamentally a crime of deception, similar to when she stole from her other employer through deception, how she deceptively edited her writings to support her new allegations, her deceptive claims that those weird Russia writings, etc. If you are still trying to claim this history isn’t troubling you’re full of shit.

You guys hitched your hopes to someone who turned out to be a lifelong grifter. That was a mistake.
Standard playbook to discredit the character of the accuser.
 

sandorski

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Yes, a further edit.

No.

1) “But this is not a story about sexual misconduct” and “But this is not only a story about sexual misconduct” = totally opposite in meaning. However, those are Incomplete.

2) She wrote Originally: "But this is not a story about sexual misconduct; it is a story about abuse of power. " that does not convey the same meaning as “But this is not a story about sexual misconduct”. What she originally wrote emphasizes the Power aspect of Sexual Assault in much the same way that Psychology does as explained here.

As such, "But this is not a story about sexual misconduct; it is a story about abuse of power. " and "But this is not just a story about sexual misconduct; it is a story about abuse of power. " are not opposite in meaning at all. It is simply a change in framing.

The original article posted with the Edits set out to deceive the Reader by showing an incomplete thought with the very first example. As you will notice that all the other edits don't amount to anything suspicious, they just add descriptive details.
 

JEDIYoda

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No, Democrats made #metoo political and now its proven inconvenient to their front runner. Can’t have it both ways.
actually if you would read what is being posted....she did make it political, regarsless....here is what she said -- refute it if you cane...

"I wish he would (withdraw from the race)," Reade said. "But he won't. But I wish he would. That's how I feel emotionally."

As for a polygraph test, Reade questioned the standard it would set for sexual assault survivors if they were all asked to take polygraphs.

"I'm not a criminal. Joe Biden should take the polygraph," she said. "I will take one if Joe Biden takes one. " -- Now she is playing games -- knowing full well he will not take one nor should he IMO!

Reade had previously said that her motivation for coming forward was not political. In her interview with Kelly, she addressed concerns about her credibility and amended that statement: "I think everything's political."

"But this is deeper than that," Reade went on. "This is about watching the person that assaulted me be elevated to the highest office of the land."
 

Aegeon

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The reasoning you gave for Dr. Ford coming forward easily applies to Reade.
No it clearly absolutely does not in the ways that are relevant. The equivalent would have been Reade trying to discretely air the issue when Biden was being considered for the VP position, but Obama had not announced a decision yet. Given the importance of the VP position and if something had happens to Obama Biden would have been President, it is also comparatively stranger she did not try to bring the accusation to the attention of the Obama campaign at the time. Even if she was willing to personally overlook the issue at the time and still support Obama for President, logically speaking she should have been worried what supposedly happened to her suggests a serial offender, so you think she would have tried to warn the Obama campaign to avoid a scenario with the risk a bunch of other accusers come out during the general election and torpedoing Obama's campaign. Obama has made it clear they definitely did not receive any such warning or similar notification about such an issue in the past even when they engaged in a throughout background check of Biden before selecting him for VP.

By the time Reade went public in March of this year with the different and more serious allegation, the only relevant candidates still in the race for nominee were Biden and Sanders, with Biden also being generally considered the second most conservative of the plausible Democratic candidates (at least in terms of having a shot to win). To a far greater degree than with the Supreme Court candidates at the time of Kavanaugh's nomination, there were obvious political differences between the other plausible candidates for nomination which made the potential political motivation vastly more apparent.

This was also very late in the process where there would have been a real question of who else could take the nomination, with some theories of motivation assuming the action was merely designed to try to cause Biden to lose the general election. By contrast, its not clear how much political difference there would have been at all, with the allegation potentially not getting general attention at all if the public did not know the White House skipped nominating Kavanaugh over such an allegation that they heard about about fairly discretely through sources. Essentially from a judicial decision perspective, some of the other candidates would tend to be classified as more conservative if anything, so it would have to have been a fairly obscure legal issue Ford secretly cared incredibly deeply about for such an issue to be the reason for her to have theoretically been motivated to actually have tried to air a false accusation to stop his nomination when she initially did.
 

JEDIYoda

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No it does not and I have already posted links that prove you wrong.
His problem is he doesn`t read other peoples links and if he does he doesn`t comment on anything that is proof he is wrong...it is really obvious.....
 

ivwshane

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The term growing in popularity is BlueMAGA. Emphasizing the similarity in behaviours between them and the MAGA crowd.

Projection at its finest. There is a reason people think Bernie bro’s are the lefts version of a trump voter.
 

ch33zw1z

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What a sad and empty world it must be for you, with people practicing Socal Distancing from you long before COVID-19. I'll say a prayer for your soul.

He's a man without a party. Republicans got on the crazy train so now all he has is trying to find even the smallest way to #bothsides any topic to death. Ignignokt1975
 
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