The Joy of Obesity

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Ocuflox

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Do you really have any idea what you're talking about?

Many of the folks here do not seem to understand that a great many of the obese people they see HAVE dieted. Over and over and over again. And that the yo-yo dieting is the cause for their obesity. Had they never tried dieting, many obese people would simply be chubby.

Calorie restrictive dieting is dangerous. And the more you limit your calories, the more dangerous it is. It turns chubby people into obese people.

starving oneself not calorie restrictive dieting is dangerous? it is probably the safest and most effective way to lose weight along with exercise.

Focusing on calorie restriction alone IS starving yourself.

 

[Ocuflox]

there is a huge difference between calorie restricition and starvation

 

[Rainsford]

Exercise. Ever notice you don't see many really fat people at the gym? It's not just coincidence. And actually, being in shape (as in, muscle instead of flab) helps you lose weight even when you AREN'T working out because muscles raise your metabolism (IIRC).

 

[MaxDepth]

Check out the newest National Geographic. It has a great article about obesity. And there is a picture that shows the healthy protions of food we should eat, but don't. For instance, a cut of beef should be no bigger than a deck of cards. A potion of pasta should be no bigger than our computer mouse. It is a really good read.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Ocuflox
there is a huge difference between calorie restricition and starvation

Not really. Calorie restriction is making your body eat itself to live. Starvation is starvation, be it fast, or slow.

 

[homestarmy]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Do you really have any idea what you're talking about?

Many of the folks here do not seem to understand that a great many of the obese people they see HAVE dieted. Over and over and over again. And that the yo-yo dieting is the cause for their obesity. Had they never tried dieting, many obese people would simply be chubby.

Calorie restrictive dieting is dangerous. And the more you limit your calories, the more dangerous it is. It turns chubby people into obese people.

bullshit.

 

[Maetryx]

Damn, Amused. That is some appocalytpic doom and gloom on the calorie-restricting diet. You're making me nervous. I've lost 20lbs. on a calorie restricting diet over the last couple of months. So far I haven't added activies/exercising into the equation. If what you're saying is true, then I need to re-think my strategy.

My mother-in-law lost 70lbs. on a calorie restricting diet and looks great. She was my main motivation to try it out (I'm following Weight Watchers without going to the meetings). But the pattern you described has played out in her life as well. This is probably the 3rd time she's lost a bunch of weight on Weight Watchers. Her doctor told her she needed to pick a weight and stay at it.

For me the challenge is thinking of an activity/exercise that I actually enjoy. I am pretty much a stereotypical nerd with my hobbies and preferences.

I'm thinking maybe I'll start a militia just for the physical exercise. Or maybe a Nirvana cover band.

 

[homestarmy]

Originally posted by: KB
Dieting is not the answer, and that is why obese people can't lose the weight. Resistance training and excercise are significantly more important than dieting when it comes to losing weight. Obese people usually hate to excercise.

I just lost 50 lbs, all diet no exersize.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: homestarmy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Do you really have any idea what you're talking about?

Many of the folks here do not seem to understand that a great many of the obese people they see HAVE dieted. Over and over and over again. And that the yo-yo dieting is the cause for their obesity. Had they never tried dieting, many obese people would simply be chubby.

Calorie restrictive dieting is dangerous. And the more you limit your calories, the more dangerous it is. It turns chubby people into obese people.

bullshit.

Another baseless denial.

This is why people end up HEAVIER after every severe calorie restrictive diet. This is why people who start out chubby end up obese after yo-yo dieting.

You can call BS all you like, it wont change the facts. Our bodies are built to protect themselves from starvation. And it does so by lowering it's metabolism and storing extra fat. The more you starve your body, the more it fights back by lowering it's metabolism even more, and storing even more fat.

 

[amcdonald]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: amcdonald

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Do you really have any idea what you're talking about?

Many of the folks here do not seem to understand that a great many of the obese people they see HAVE dieted. Over and over and over again. And that the yo-yo dieting is the cause for their obesity. Had they never tried dieting, many obese people would simply be chubby.

Calorie restrictive dieting is dangerous. And the more you limit your calories, the more dangerous it is. It turns chubby people into obese people.

I don't believe this at all.

Too bad the scientific evidence is against you. People who go on crash diets nearly always gain back MORE then they started out with if they ever stop the diet. And to maintain the weight they have dieted down to requires eating a severely restrictive diet for the rest of their lives because their body has learned how to store fat more efficiently for the next starvation cycle.

Some obese people need to restrict calories down to a ridiculously low level to lose any weight at all. And when they do, their mind literally drives them crazy. Your body has a very strong built in defense against starvation.

And people who quit smoking almost always start again, with the patch or not...
It's an issue of willpower IMHO.
I've quit smoking cold turkey after a pack a day for 3 years, and I lost weight when I wanted to after researching an effective way to do so. I just have very little pity for someone who can't take control of their body. If there is a good reason I can sympathize, but usually it is ignorance/lack of willpower.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: homestarmy

Originally posted by: KB
Dieting is not the answer, and that is why obese people can't lose the weight. Resistance training and excercise are significantly more important than dieting when it comes to losing weight. Obese people usually hate to excercise.

I just lost 50 lbs, all diet no exersize.

Great, Many people have lost hundreds of pounds. Yet when you go back 5 years later, most are HEAVIER than they were when they started.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: amcdonald

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: amcdonald

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Do you really have any idea what you're talking about?

Many of the folks here do not seem to understand that a great many of the obese people they see HAVE dieted. Over and over and over again. And that the yo-yo dieting is the cause for their obesity. Had they never tried dieting, many obese people would simply be chubby.

Calorie restrictive dieting is dangerous. And the more you limit your calories, the more dangerous it is. It turns chubby people into obese people.

I don't believe this at all.

Too bad the scientific evidence is against you. People who go on crash diets nearly always gain back MORE then they started out with if they ever stop the diet. And to maintain the weight they have dieted down to requires eating a severely restrictive diet for the rest of their lives because their body has learned how to store fat more efficiently for the next starvation cycle.

Some obese people need to restrict calories down to a ridiculously low level to lose any weight at all. And when they do, their mind literally drives them crazy. Your body has a very strong built in defense against starvation.

And people who quit smoking almost always start again, with the patch or not...
It's an issue of willpower IMHO.
I've quit smoking cold turkey after a pack a day for 3 years, and I lost weight when I wanted to after researching an effective way to do so. I just have very little pity for someone who can't take control of their body. If there is a good reason I can sympathize, but usually it is ignorance/lack of willpower.

Smokers don't smoke more every time they fall off the wagon. Fat people end up heavier after they fall off their diet wagon. Because all they have done is trained their body to store up more fat for the next starvation cycle.

 

[OgreFade]

I lost 13 lbs just by working while I'm at work. The lazy guys at work get no muscle and no weight loss. I got muscle and weight loss.

 

[homestarmy]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: homestarmy

Originally posted by: KB
Dieting is not the answer, and that is why obese people can't lose the weight. Resistance training and excercise are significantly more important than dieting when it comes to losing weight. Obese people usually hate to excercise.

I just lost 50 lbs, all diet no exersize.

Great, Many people have lost hundreds of pounds. Yet when you go back 5 years later, most are HEAVIER than they were when they started.

5 years? God, come on. So I was better off staying fat? Wow, that is ridiculous.

Those people just gave up, it has nothing to do with how they acted 5 years ago.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: XietyCOM
1 hour @ the gym, 4 times a week + no fast food = stay in shape.

easy. if they don't have 4 hours/week for their own sake, they deserve to be fat and made fun of.

An obese person like that showing up at the gym... "made fun of" is putting it mildly.. But still, they need to start somewhere. This is where personal trainers getting on their a$$ every day would really earn their $.

How's Ruben Studdard doing these days ?

 

[Ocuflox]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Ocuflox
there is a huge difference between calorie restricition and starvation

Not really. Calorie restriction is making your body eat itself to live. Starvation is starvation, be it fast, or slow.

what do you think your body uses for energy when you are not eating (the postabsorptive state)? itself...glycogen, protein, triglycerides from liver, muscle, and adipose cells converted into glucose

secondly, if you assume that losing 2lbs a week is safe (which is accepted by most dieticians) for dieting than starvation can be defined as losing more than 2lbs a week. thus, if you calculate how many calories a day you will need to RESTRICT yourself to lose 2lbs a week - you would be on a calorie restricted diet.

 

[homestarmy]

Maybe we should send some of the useless fatties to the starving countries overseas?

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: Ocuflox
there is a huge difference between calorie restricition and starvation

Yup.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: homestarmy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: homestarmy

Originally posted by: KB
Dieting is not the answer, and that is why obese people can't lose the weight. Resistance training and excercise are significantly more important than dieting when it comes to losing weight. Obese people usually hate to excercise.

I just lost 50 lbs, all diet no exersize.

Great, Many people have lost hundreds of pounds. Yet when you go back 5 years later, most are HEAVIER than they were when they started.

5 years? God, come on. So I was better off staying fat? Wow, that is ridiculous.

Those people just gave up, it has nothing to do with how they acted 5 years ago.

I never said you were better off staying fat.

HOW you lose the weight is as important as losing the weight. The facts are clear that the failure rate among those who use severe calorie restriction alone is astronomical. And not only to they gain all the weight back, but those who use severe calorie restriction gain back MORE weight than they started with.

 

[Heisenberg]

Originally posted by: Amused
I never said you were better off staying fat.

HOW you lose the weight is as important as losing the weight. The facts are clear that the failure rate among those who use severe calorie restriction alone is astronomical. And not only to they gain all the weight back, but those who use severe calorie restriction gain back MORE weight than they started with.

But you do agree that some calorie restriction along w/exercise is necessary? Because there's no way you can lose weight even with exercise if you're eating 5000 calories a day.

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Do you really have any idea what you're talking about?

Many of the folks here do not seem to understand that a great many of the obese people they see HAVE dieted. Over and over and over again. And that the yo-yo dieting is the cause for their obesity. Had they never tried dieting, many obese people would simply be chubby.

Calorie restrictive dieting is dangerous. And the more you limit your calories, the more dangerous it is. It turns chubby people into obese people.

is This True?!!
Is tshis trues?

HEH, I will eat as mjuch as possible and not deprive my body of calories!!!

:shocked:

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: Amused
I never said you were better off staying fat.

HOW you lose the weight is as important as losing the weight. The facts are clear that the failure rate among those who use severe calorie restriction alone is astronomical. And not only to they gain all the weight back, but those who use severe calorie restriction gain back MORE weight than they started with.

But you do agree that some calorie restriction along w/exercise is necessary? Because there's no way you can lose weight even with exercise if you're eating 5000 calories a day.

Of course. But the amount of 'extra' calories you can get away with varries from individual to individual. I'm a very muscular person, who has been training nearly 18 years now. My body has a metabolic 'setpoint' which if calories go over this setpoint, they're essentially "wasted". i.e. calorie consumption and bodyweight is a non linear relationship.

My body is so in tune, that if I want to get ripped for summer, I just eliminate processed foods entirely from my diet. I only eat foods in their natural form. In about 6 weeks I got my 6 pack back, at about 215lbs @ roughly 8% BF

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: Amused
I never said you were better off staying fat.

HOW you lose the weight is as important as losing the weight. The facts are clear that the failure rate among those who use severe calorie restriction alone is astronomical. And not only to they gain all the weight back, but those who use severe calorie restriction gain back MORE weight than they started with.

But you do agree that some calorie restriction along w/exercise is necessary? Because there's no way you can lose weight even with exercise if you're eating 5000 calories a day.

Well, of course. But that should come from cleaning up the diet, rather than focusing on calorie restriction. Most people, when focusining on calorie restriction over do it. They treat it simply as a matter of "will power" and skip this meal or that or simply eat far too little and send their bodies into starvation mode.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: RobCur

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bobbybe01
Do you really have any idea what you're talking about?

Many of the folks here do not seem to understand that a great many of the obese people they see HAVE dieted. Over and over and over again. And that the yo-yo dieting is the cause for their obesity. Had they never tried dieting, many obese people would simply be chubby.

Calorie restrictive dieting is dangerous. And the more you limit your calories, the more dangerous it is. It turns chubby people into obese people.

is This True?!!
Is tshis trues?

HEH, I will eat as mjuch as possible and not deprive my body of calories!!!

:shocked:

No, that's not the point. The point is that calorie restriction alone is almost always a bad way to lose weight in the long term. The only weight losers who gain back MORE then they started out with if they fall off the wagon (and the vast majority do) are those who severely restrict calories.

The best long term success is found in those who clean up their diet and regularly exercise. AND, people who lose weight this way do not usually end up gaining back even more weight if they fall off the wagon.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: KB
Dieting is not the answer, and that is why obese people can't lose the weight. Resistance training and excercise are significantly more important than dieting when it comes to losing weight. Obese people usually hate to excercise.

BINGO!

Calorie restrictive dieting is counter productive, and a major contributer to the numbers of morbidly obese in our soceity.

Millions of years of evolution cannot be overcome with "willpower." The body will fight to it's last breath any perceived starvation and loss of it's fat cells to calorie deprivation.

Hmm if it's not an intake/output problem, so why does stomach stapling work?