The joy of religion - part xxxxxxxxx

[Cerpin Taxt]

I'm rather impressed that you've not been driven irate by him.

Eh, at this point it's just about seeing how far he's willing to go to maintain the charade.

 

[bshole]

Religions start out good, as a way of helping people to get past bad feelings about themselves and the world around them.

The problem is that the bad feelings are based on objective reality. They are going to die. Everybody they love is going to die. They are going to suffer greatly both emotionally and physically before they die. To top this off, there is no meaning to their life and no existence for them after their short lifespan. It is a big fucking cosmic joke. They ONLY way you can avoid the bad feeling is if you can delude yourself that objective reality is untrue. That is simply impossible for a great portion of humanity.

PS. My son is failing 3 classes this year already. How the heck can two parents with master's degrees sire such a fucking waste of humanity? I can barely tolerate the sight of the little shit anymore. Gangsta rap, complete and utter disregard for authority, pants around the knees, laziness beyond all reality, not a shred of intellectual curiosity.... well on his way to a life in prison or welfare. I am about to wash my hands of multi-culturalism.

 

[Zorkorist]

Religions, like Government, rely on others to say what is right and what is wrong.

The individual is the only thing that matters.

-John

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

The problem is that the bad feelings are based on objective reality. They are going to die. Everybody they love is going to die. They are going to suffer greatly both emotionally and physically before they die. To top this off, there is no meaning to their life and no existence for them after their short lifespan. It is a big fucking cosmic joke. They ONLY way you can avoid the bad feeling is if you can delude yourself that objective reality is untrue. That is simply impossible for a great portion of humanity.

As I've pointed out on several occasions before, the above is utter hogwash.

PS. My son is failing 3 classes this year already. How the heck can two parents with master's degrees sire such a fucking waste of humanity? I can barely tolerate the sight of the little shit anymore. Gangsta rap, complete and utter disregard for authority, pants around the knees, laziness beyond all reality, not a shred of intellectual curiosity.... well on his way to a life in prison or welfare. I am about to wash my hands of multi-culturalism.

Maybe his problem is that he has taken on the guise of your hopelessness.

 

[Moonbeam]

bshole: The problem is that the bad feelings are based on objective reality.

M: I know that you believe this. I believed the same thing. While in the process of trying to identify why I suffered, what my bad feelings were based on, why I believed them to be real when the zen folk were saying what Itook to be the same thing, I experienced an insight, a flash of intuition, a revolution in my understanding. I can't give you the experience itself, but only invite you to consider the possibility that such an experience is possible.

b: They are going to die. Everybody they love is going to die.

M: Yes.

b: They are going to suffer greatly both emotionally and physically before they die.

M: I can suffer physically but I do not suffer emotionally.

b: To top this off, there is no meaning to their life and no existence for them after their short lifespan. It is a big fucking cosmic joke.

M: Yes, but one you do not find is funny.

b: They ONLY way you can avoid the bad feeling is if you can delude yourself that objective reality is untrue. That is simply impossible for a great portion of humanity.

M: Do you remember you used to believe and we're happy and lost that when your faith died. That is what happened to me. Where did your joy go? What was it based on? Who were you before you were told there is a God? What was your emotional state?

 

[MagickMan]

Well for all your bluff and bluster you haven't shown any fault in the reasoning. It is quite a case study in the frustration of arrogance by ignorance, all your flailing and angry floundering.

It's fun watching such an ignorant prick, like yourself, believe you have such answers, especially when you don't even understand the fucking question.

I don't need to. My sentence was grammatically correct. This seems to be another case of you imagining problems where none exist.

Why do you do that? Is it the embarrassment?

So was my retort, technically. Hey, you want to sound like a pretentious cockbag? That's your business.

Embarrassment? Over your pea-brained bullshit? Your ego is fun to play with, I've enjoyed it for >a week now. :awe: I stopped taking your self-important douchebaggery seriously years ago, every once in a while I poke you just to see what you'll do, and it seldom disappoints.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

It's fun watching such an ignorant prick, like yourself, believe you have such answers, especially when you don't even understand the fucking question.

Rabble rabble rabble rabble

All this was about was proving that a particular God could not exist because I can prove that it's attributes are absurd. 6 pages later and you're still just telling me that I'm wrong but never showing why that is. Do you think you're persuading any one of anything other than the apparent fact that your tiny fragile ego refuses to admit that you don't have a substantive rebuttal?

So was my retort, technically.

Did I suggest it wasn't?

Hey, you want to sound like a pretentious cockbag? That's your business.

It is a shame that you struggle so much with reading. Perhaps you need more practice. A lot more.

Embarrassment? Over your pea-brained bullshit? Your ego is fun to play with, I've enjoyed it for >a week now. :awe: I stopped taking your self-important douchebaggery seriously years ago, every once in a while I poke you just to see what you'll do, and it seldom disappoints.

I hope making this spectacle of yourself is worth it.

Now, ever gonna address my argument?

 

[Moonbeam]

Rabble rabble rabble rabble

Now, ever gonna address my argument?

My guess is, unless my post changes things, that the comment:

"Embarrassment? Over your pea-brained bullshit? Your ego is fun to play with, I've enjoyed it for >a week now. I stopped taking your self-important douchebaggery seriously years ago, every once in a while I poke you just to see what you'll do, and it seldom disappoints."

was intended to inform you of your insignificance in his mind, and that having now poked you and seen and enjoyed the expected results, he would now be moving on to new pleasures. As the forums shit throwing baboon, he came only to show you his ass which so resembles his face, an ass and a face fitting and proper to one with his kind of ego.

 

[bshole]

was intended to inform you of your insignificance in his mind, and that having now poked you and seen and enjoyed the expected results, he would now be moving on to new pleasures. As the forums shit throwing baboon, he came only to show you his ass which so resembles his face, an ass and a face fitting and proper to one with his kind of ego.

Wait, you have seen his face and his ASS? Is there some kind of lover's quarrel going on here?

 

[Moonbeam]

Wait, you have seen his face and his ASS? Is there some kind of lover's quarrel going on here?

Why do you ask?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Wait, you have seen his face and his ASS?

If you've seen one, you've seen the other.

 

[shira]

Why is not my conclusion justified? <sic> You have never been able to answer that.

And you bitch about my English. For shame. :\

I think MagickMan believes that the construction "Why is not my conclusion justified?" is ungrammatical. I agree that "Why is not x . . . " is less frequently used than "Why is x not . . .", but the former is indeed grammatical. In the same way that both "Is the sky not blue?" and "Is not the sky blue?" are both grammatical.

But it's understandable that someone stuck in a rigid belief system would apply that same mental inflexibility to English grammar.

Edit: It's actually a little ironic that MM - in his critique of CT's grammar - has himself strayed from the straight and narrow; just look at his use of "[sic]". He used angle brackets rather than the standard square brackets, and he didn't insert the "[sic]" at the location in the text he wanted to identify as non-standard. Much better would have been

Why is not [sic] my conclusion justified?

But as I pointed out above, that "[sic]" would still have been wrong, because there's nothing ungrammatical about the original sentence.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

If "Why isn't my conclusion justified?" is grammatically correct, then "Why is not my conclusion justified?" must also be correct. It's not even Yoda-speak, which he suggested it was.

 

[Moonbeam]

If "Why isn't my conclusion justified?" is grammatically correct, then "Why is not my conclusion justified?" must also be correct. It's not even Yoda-speak, which he suggested it was.

Your conclusion justified is.

 

[MagickMan]

Rabble rabble rabble rabble

You'd need to upgrade to be rabble, right now you're just a shitstain. Don't worry, though, I'll come by and poke you again sometime. Not the next time you're an insufferable prick, because that would be every fucking day, but I'll get back around at some point in the future.

 

[MagickMan]

My guess is, unless my post changes things, that the comment:

"Embarrassment? Over your pea-brained bullshit? Your ego is fun to play with, I've enjoyed it for >a week now. I stopped taking your self-important douchebaggery seriously years ago, every once in a while I poke you just to see what you'll do, and it seldom disappoints."

was intended to inform you of your insignificance in his mind, and that having now poked you and seen and enjoyed the expected results, he would now be moving on to new pleasures. As the forums shit throwing baboon, he came only to show you his ass which so resembles his face, an ass and a face fitting and proper to one with his kind of ego.

Awww, Moonie, you're so jealous that you're not the only shit-flinger around here anymore. Stiff upper lip, ya wise and beautiful woman.

Wait, you have seen his face and his ASS? Is there some kind of lover's quarrel going on here?

He's sooo jealous, too.

 

[MagickMan]

But it's understandable that someone stuck in a rigid belief system would apply that same mental inflexibility to English grammar.

You're saying atheists have rigid belief systems? Wha?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You'd need to upgrade to be rabble, right now you're just a shitstain. Don't worry, though, I'll come by and poke you again sometime. Not the next time you're an insufferable prick, because that would be every fucking day, but I'll get back around at some point in the future.

And here he runs away, snarling, attempting to impress that he is threatening, but we can all see the tail tucked under and between his legs as he cowers into the distance...

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You're saying atheists have rigid belief systems? Wha?

Surely some do, and some do not.

You don't think that all atheists have identical worldviews, do you?

 

[shira]

You're saying atheists have rigid belief systems? Wha?

You seem to be guilty of the logical fallacy "affirming the consequent."

To put it simply, the fact that everyone who is a true-believer in God has a rigid belief system doesn't imply that everyone with a rigid belief system is a true-believer in God.

 

[Moonbeam]

You seem to be guilty of the logical fallacy "affirming the consequent."

To put it simply, the fact that everyone who is a true-believer in God has a rigid belief system doesn't imply that everyone with a rigid belief system is a true-believer in God.

I think what he was saying is that he achieved some sort of gotcha if you mistook him for a believer, which if true is probably something you would survive.

 

[MagickMan]

You seem to be guilty of the logical fallacy "affirming the consequent."

To put it simply, the fact that everyone who is a true-believer in God has a rigid belief system doesn't imply that everyone with a rigid belief system is a true-believer in God.

Because that actually what you meant? Fuck no. Not that it actually matters to you. Right? :\

 

[MagickMan]

And here he runs away, snarling

No, I'm laughing at you, have been for a while. I know, I shouldn't make fun of the mentally "challenged"... oh well.

 

[Moonbeam]

No, I'm laughing at you, have been for a while. I know, I shouldn't make fun of the mentally "challenged"... oh well.

But that's just the point. Not only do you make fun of the mentally challenged, you decide who, in your opinion, they are, by standards that are unique to you on the basis of an internal judgment that they not only deserve that ridicule and laughter, but that the world in general is improved by you doing it. I see a bully who believes that bullying others is a good thing to do and I believe also that you believe that this is the self you don't see in you but project on me.

I don't know if I am right with absolute certainty and being right in not my issue here. The thing I want to focus on is that in my opinion, in a tide of criticism of your attitude revealed in your posting here by others you have suggested that maybe you shouldn't be doing it, making fun of the mentally challenged. Oh well, you say and I agree. It's the first sign that I see that somewhere within you there may be a real human being.

Oh well, is good enough for me. All I want to say is that I am glad you made that post. I hope you don't mind the complement but if you do, remember I'm really just a nobody and what I say shouldn't be thought of as very important.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I'm so Zen I gotta wear my