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No one read the Bible? These people are not following it. CLEARLY!

Jesus said, he who is without sin cast the first stone.

What ever fucked up religion they have, it sure as hell isn't Judeo based.

But you know, I don't bother atheist, but they bother me every time they want a cross taken down from a memorial. So you have the "separation of church and state." That means something completely different! It does not mean take a cross from a burial ground. This country was founded on judo-christain beliefs. Like it or not. Anyone hear of that little line: We are endowed by our creator? What? Punk ass atheists want to change the Declaration Of Independence now too?

Judeo. Unless you're starting a new religion whereby infant's foreskins are karate chopped off.
 

shira

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There is a Zen story about a man chased of a cliff by a tiger. Clinging to roots he sees another tiger. As he hangs there weakening he spied a strawberry growing next to him on the cliff. He plucked it and it tasted so good.

This story changed my life and turned me inside out.
Something seems a little anachronistic about this Zen story. I mean, I don't think strawberries were eaten as a sweet fruit until the 14th century at the earliest, and that was in Europe. They were native to South America, too, but I don't think that was recognized until the 18th century. In any event, it's highly unlikely that strawberries reached Asia before the late 19th or early 20th century. Yet these Zen stories are usually set in the 7th to 10th century AD.

So where did a man in the 8th or 9th century, chased by tigers (which are strictly Asian animals), see a SWEET strawberry growing wild? And why would he have even tried to eat it, since strawberries way back then were strictly used for medicinal purposes?

I don't know, Moonie. But this tiger/strawberry story seems rather contrived.
 

JEDIYoda

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Something seems a little anachronistic about this Zen story. I mean, I don't think strawberries were eaten as a sweet fruit until the 14th century at the earliest, and that was in Europe. They were native to South America, too, but I don't think that was recognized until the 18th century. In any event, it's highly unlikely that strawberries reached Asia before the late 19th or early 20th century. Yet these Zen stories are usually set in the 7th to 10th century AD.

So where did a man in the 8th or 9th century, chased by tigers (which are strictly Asian animals), see a SWEET strawberry growing wild? And why would he have even tried to eat it, since strawberries way back then were strictly used for medicinal purposes?

I don't know, Moonie. But this tiger/strawberry story seems rather contrived.
Rather than address the point of the story...you decide to try to pick apart the story! Unless of course you lack the ability to comprehend what Moonbeam said in the context of the story.,...
 
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Rather mnthan address the point of the story...you decide to try to pick apart the story! Unless of course you lack the ability to comprehend what Moonbeam said in the context of the story.,...

That a dude got to eat a strawberry just before he was ripped apart by a hungry animal?
 

Moonbeam

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Well, this certainly changed the dude's life (into tiger poop), if not Moonbeam's.

I tried earlier to find some info on what fruit strawberry might have actually been, but the story itself is reputedly one told by the Buddha himself.
 

realibrad

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I thought from earlier posts that perhaps you had a serious interest in understanding.

Belive it or not but I do. I'm one of the few people I know that likes to learn about others opinions. My comment to him was to bait him into a response. I doubt he understood the meaning of the story.
 

Moonbeam

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Belive it or not but I do. I'm one of the few people I know that likes to learn about others opinions. My comment to him was to bait him into a response. I doubt he understood the meaning of the story.

I'm surprised then that you seemed uninterested in how I know you know God exists.
 

shira

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I'm surprised then that you seemed uninterested in how I know you know God exists.
Not trying to crash your small party with Realibrad, but why are you trying to be all mystical and mysterious? Why not just say what you intend to say rather than engaging in a dance? Ego?
 

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As to the point I wished to make regarding how things may depend on how you look at something, you are a rational person who believes in science and science says an electron is a particle or a wave depending on which point of view you take. Now I believe that is true, but I also find it to be quite crazy, not where I would expected reason to lead me at all. Quantum mechanics seems to me to be completely other than what my poor brain was designed to handle. I accept such science as a matter of faith, faith in math I can't myself do.

Can't do or won't do?

Someday my life goal might be to teach Calculus to a person with down syndrome. Just to make all the people without down syndrome feel extremely guilty. I want them to feel guilty that for all the faith they have in this or that, they forgot the most important faith of all: Faith in themselves.

I bet I could do it too. Teach a person with down syndrome how to do Calculus. It might take years, and some...let's say... creative techniques...but I bet I could one day do it.
 
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When you are doing rate of change by hitting the brake, you are doing calculus on the fly.
 

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Can't do or won't do?

Someday my life goal might be to teach Calculus to a person with down syndrome. Just to make all the people without down syndrome feel extremely guilty. I want them to feel guilty that for all the faith they have in this or that, they forgot the most important faith of all: Faith in themselves.

I bet I could do it too. Teach a person with down syndrome how to do Calculus. It might take years, and some...let's say... creative techniques...but I bet I could one day do it.

Why don't you start now ?
 
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That a dude got to eat a strawberry just before he was ripped apart by a hungry animal?
so you have no idea what the meaning of the story was all about? ok..keep on trucking!! I knew you had a learning disability!!
 

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Why don't you start now ?

I have other goals that take precedence over making people feel extremely guilty. Also I have a feeling some people might even resent me for doing it instead of changing their beliefs.

Moonbeam might not be one of those people that would resent it though. I don't know him very well but from what I have seen from his posts he might be just intelligent enough to 'get it' rather than resent it. Maybe even more than just intelligent enough. Maybe a lot more. Who knows. He might not even know himself. Some of our knowledge is subconscious, meaning even we are not aware of what we can do.
 

Moonbeam

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Not trying to crash your small party with Realibrad, but why are you trying to be all mystical and mysterious? Why not just say what you intend to say rather than engaging in a dance? Ego?

I follow a sophisticated psychological procedure to recruit new members for my church. If you don't carefully set the hook they will get away. It's a delicate issue because my teaching doesn't come cheap.

In your case, however, and if you wish, I am sure for a small down payment. we can move quickly to the good stuff. And as to ego, we can begin as soon as you say please.

But if you want mysterious and mystical, try watching cricket.

Teacher teacher the sounds these letters make is all very interesting but what I want and demand is the knowledge to read a book. Could it be that if you have experienced something you might know best how to lead others to it? I know the infinite value of what I know. It makes not a wit of difference to me that you are suspicious and fear being taken in. I went through all of that myself. But the blackness of hopelessness made my need very great. My job is to give as best I can. I am a nobody and far from perfect but I try my best. I won. There is nothing left for me to gain. I defeated the Nothing and all I had to do was die. railibrad sounds like he might be well along the way.
 

Moonbeam

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Can't do or won't do?

Someday my life goal might be to teach Calculus to a person with down syndrome. Just to make all the people without down syndrome feel extremely guilty. I want them to feel guilty that for all the faith they have in this or that, they forgot the most important faith of all: Faith in themselves.

I bet I could do it too. Teach a person with down syndrome how to do Calculus. It might take years, and some...let's say... creative techniques...but I bet I could one day do it.

My point wasn't to decide whether I can't or won't. My point was that the ideas implicit in the mathematics are not ideas the mind is build to handle. I can think in three dimensions and imagine that running in time, but I cannot imagine a 5th dimension, etc. If I invented the math, it would still be spatially incomprehensible to me. The notion that there is a God is similarly alien to my rational thinking processes. What I was taught about God didn't make sense. But for me the thought that our human love means nothing was emotionally crippling. I wanted to die and as it happened I did and then there was this strawberry a resolution of opposites in an instant flash of intuition.
 
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