The joy of religion - part xxxxxxxxx

[Cerpin Taxt]

I'm bored....

I take it as a theory. It's about a group of scientists' best guess over that subject, hard facts yet remain to be seen.

Ignorance of the magnitude exhibited by these statements is justifiably described as wanton and willful. If you had any honest interest in learning the facts of evolution, you would not make such ridiculous claims.

I don't believe the human has ever evolved at all, that is my understanding and best guess while looking back into our known human history.

Then it's really gonna blow your mind when you find out that humans haven't merely evolved, but our evolution is ongoing and continuous.

He was created as a human from the start, nothing out of the pro-evolution theorists did ever convince me otherwise.

It's pretty clear you don't understand the evidence, or worse that you don't care what the evidence is because you're not interested in the truth.

But I'd like to ask those scientists though: Why it was only one creature, out of thousands of similar kinds, that has survived the natural selection stage and evolved into a fully freely-thinking-mindset creature.

That isn't what happened. You are in desperate need of copious amounts of remedial education.

Why one, why not two, three, one hundred kind perhaps? a human peer that might have lived under the sea or else high into the skies? I can't emphasize that point enough.

That you think this mounts some kind of obstacle or contradiction to evolution only highlights your frankly astounding ignorance.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

it's in our belief since 1,400-years ago that Adam was 90-feet long...

Pay attention, children. This is your brain on religion.

Any questions?

 

[maluckey]

We totally agree on the bolded point, given that everything is "closest" to something that doesn't exist.

Finally, you are beginning to get it. Though not fully aware of the depth of your statement, you have tapped into the the full and immense depth of the thread.

You cannot prove that God does not exist, and would be a fool to try. I cannot prove God exists, and would be a fool to try. You have your opinion, and it is what shapes your reality as you perceive it, and my opinion shapes mine.

Never shall the two opinions meet in the middle (they can't) and never shall the two reconcile on the subject. It's what we do with them in the spaces between that makes the difference.

One can believe that they are God, and do good things for those around them. One can also believe in God and do good things for those around them. The end result for the receivers of the good will remains the same. The main difference is that upon death of said do-gooders (and resurrection), only one will ever know if he was right.

M

 

[soulcougher73]

Finally, you are beginning to get it. Though not fully aware of the depth of your statement, you have tapped into the the full and immense depth of the thread.

You cannot prove that God does not exist, and would be a fool to try. I cannot prove God exists, and would be a fool to try. You have your opinion, and it is what shapes your reality as you perceive it, and my opinion shapes mine.

Never shall the two opinions meet in the middle (they can't) and never shall the two reconcile on the subject. It's what we do with them in the spaces between that makes the difference.

One can believe that they are God, and do good things for those around them. One can also believe in God and do good things for those around them. The end result for the receivers of the good will remains the same. The main difference is that upon death of said do-gooders (and resurrection), only one will ever know if he was right.

M

How many other things do you believe in without any proof? Or is that exclusive to the Christian God only?

 

[sandorski]

Finally, you are beginning to get it. Though not fully aware of the depth of your statement, you have tapped into the the full and immense depth of the thread.

You cannot prove that God does not exist, and would be a fool to try. I cannot prove God exists, and would be a fool to try. You have your opinion, and it is what shapes your reality as you perceive it, and my opinion shapes mine.

Never shall the two opinions meet in the middle (they can't) and never shall the two reconcile on the subject. It's what we do with them in the spaces between that makes the difference.

One can believe that they are God, and do good things for those around them. One can also believe in God and do good things for those around them. The end result for the receivers of the good will remains the same. The main difference is that upon death of said do-gooders (and resurrection), only one will ever know if he was right.

M

This is a silly dichotomy that only Theists seem to believe. Even if it were true, though it's not, Atheists/non-Theists believed they were God, it still would not make sense for them to use that term given the Theists view of what a god is. We are Human either way, with all the limitations, faults, and aspects that being a Human entails. A god is a being with powers/capabilities far exceeding anything a Human is capable of.

 

[Zorkorist]

All they really care about is "faith."

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Do you believe?!

Do you have Faith?!

-John

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

You cannot prove that God does not exist, and would be a fool to try.

I can prove certain gods don't exist. The problem is that the word "god" lacks any rigorous definition -- a feature that is common among things that we generally agree do not exist, incidentally.

Never shall the two opinions meet in the middle (they can't) and never shall the two reconcile on the subject.

Guess you've never heard of pantheists.

 

[Moonbeam]

The universe is self aware every time a human being reaches a God conscious state The human being isn't the God that is conscious because the potential for self awareness is a potential the universe has that has always been there. The universe fulfills itself by becoming what it is capable of. The eye that sees God is the eye with God sees you.

 

[shira]

The main difference is that upon death of said do-gooders (and resurrection), only one will ever know if he was right.

You seem to be overlooking that very real possibility that exactly no one will "ever know he was right," for the simple reason that every single person who has every existed will eventually die, and nothing of any of them will continue beyond their deaths. Nothing.

 

[shira]

Do you believe?!

Do you have Faith?!

-John

Do you? In what?

 

[Moonbeam]

You seem to be overlooking that very real possibility that exactly no one will "ever know he was right," for the simple reason that every single person who has every existed will eventually die, and nothing of any of them will continue beyond their deaths. Nothing.

There are two kinds of death. This is why it is important to die before your death just in case there is only one kind of immortality.

 

[realibrad]

There are two kinds of death. This is why it is important to die before your death just in case there is only one kind of immortality.

There are 4 kinds of death. This is why it is important to die 3 kinds of ways before your death just in case there is only 15 types of immorality.

If you don't explain your statements, you are likely to be misunderstood. Why do you believe there are 2 kinds of deaths? What do you consider death? Have you died one of your deaths?

 

[JD50]

Finally, you are beginning to get it. Though not fully aware of the depth of your statement, you have tapped into the the full and immense depth of the thread.

You cannot prove that God does not exist, and would be a fool to try. I cannot prove God exists, and would be a fool to try. You have your opinion, and it is what shapes your reality as you perceive it, and my opinion shapes mine.

Never shall the two opinions meet in the middle (they can't) and never shall the two reconcile on the subject. It's what we do with them in the spaces between that makes the difference.

One can believe that they are God, and do good things for those around them. One can also believe in God and do good things for those around them. The end result for the receivers of the good will remains the same. The main difference is that upon death of said do-gooders (and resurrection), only one will ever know if he was right.

M

You say this as if both "opinions" are equally valid, they are not.

 

[shira]

You say this as if both "opinions" are equally valid, they are not.

For true believers, any two contradictory statements are equally valid, and both must be given equal consideration.

That's why any discussion of the Holocaust must also include equal time and space for Holocaust denial.

That's why any discussion of modern medical practices must also include equal time and space for faith healing.

 

[Moonbeam]

There are 4 kinds of death. This is why it is important to die 3 kinds of ways before your death just in case there is only 15 types of immorality.

If you don't explain your statements, you are likely to be misunderstood. Why do you believe there are 2 kinds of deaths? What do you consider death? Have you died one of your deaths?

I am not interested in explaining statements that can't be understood by explanations. That is why I offered to take you on a trip. You were unwilling to take the first step. I understand something that you do not. You said you were interested but you refused to accept the first facts I know about you that you don't. You aren't really serious. You are unwilling to trust. In order to make a leap of intuition you have to hold certain opposites in your head. You want to argue about the opposites, whether they are real. A tiger above and a tiger below is not a position you are willing to see yourself in. Every time you have a question, every time you need to explain, these are all ways you avoid the truth of your condition. Go ahead, you will now do that again.

Otherwise ask yourself why you hate God. You do hate God, that is obvious and without question. I am telling you it's a fact. Why do you hate God, think only on that. How could a know nothing subjectivist like you have arrived at the certain knowledge that the God you refuse to believe in is a total despicable ass.

 

[realibrad]

I am not interested in explaining statements that can't be understood by explanations. That is why I offered to take you on a trip. You were unwilling to take the first step. I understand something that you do not. You said you were interested but you refused to accept the first facts I know about you that you don't. You aren't really serious. You are unwilling to trust. In order to make a leap of intuition you have to hold certain opposites in your head. You want to argue about the opposites, whether they are real. A tiger above and a tiger below is not a position you are willing to see yourself in. Every time you have a question, every time you need to explain, these are all ways you avoid the truth of your condition. Go ahead, you will now do that again.

Otherwise ask yourself why you hate God. You do hate God, that is obvious and without question. I am telling you it's a fact. Why do you hate God, think only on that. How could a know nothing subjectivist like you have arrived at the certain knowledge that the God you refuse to believe in is a total despicable ass.

You seem to be asking me to have faith in you. Is that true?

 

[soulcougher73]

You seem to be asking me to have faith in you. Is that true?

I think he is saying each of us is God and your self hate is getting in the way of loving your godly self... Maybe... Who knows... He's always cryptic.

 

[Moonbeam]

You seem to be asking me to have faith in you. Is that true?

You expressed an interest in learning and understanding my point of view. I know how I arrived at my knowledge, what I saw that helped me understand. I didn't arrive at my insight via thought or thinking, but by the moment of intuitive understanding that took place when I abandoned hope that any of the despicable hateful gods I was taught to believe in could possibly exist. Try to believe that I do not care if you trust me. I defeated the Nothing and exited the place that has no exit. I ended suffering. I won. I am free. The price of my freedom was everything I believed in. Everything you think you know is upside down, inside out and backwards. I don't care if you trust me, only that you entertain that possibility. You want truth and the conditions are that you pay for it. Those conditions were not set by me but I know for sure what it cost me, everything I held dear. The price is the death of the ego. That is the one and only other death. The paradox is that you are the ego and your ego will not voluntarily cease to be. You have to get out on the highway where Grace can turn you into road kill. Your situation is absolutely hopeless just as mine was. Sorry about that. I didn't cause that either.

 

[realibrad]

You expressed an interest in learning and understanding my point of view. I know how I arrived at my knowledge, what I saw that helped me understand. I didn't arrive at my insight via thought or thinking, but by the moment of intuitive understanding that took place when I abandoned hope that any of the despicable hateful gods I was taught to believe in could possibly exist. Try to believe that I do not care if you trust me. I defeated the Nothing and exited the place that has no exit. I ended suffering. I won. I am free. The price of my freedom was everything I believed in. Everything you think you know is upside down, inside out and backwards. I don't care if you trust me, only that you entertain that possibility. You want truth and the conditions are that you pay for it. Those conditions were not set by me but I know for sure what it cost me, everything I held dear. The price is the death of the ego. That is the one and only other death. The paradox is that you are the ego and your ego will not voluntarily cease to be. You have to get out on the highway where Grace can turn you into road kill. Your situation is absolutely hopeless just as mine was. Sorry about that. I didn't cause that either.

So, could conservatives reach your level of understanding with their brain defects?

 

[Moonbeam]

So, could conservatives reach your level of understanding with their brain defects?

Do you really think I could understand and have compassion for CBDs without having been one? It is ego that prevents people from seeing the simple truth of their existence. It is ego that keeps conservative defectives in a state of denial. The two are closely related phenomena. But it would go easier for you if you could see that you asked because you hate me. I don't mind at all that you do. It is an inevitable result of your condition.

 

[shira]

You expressed an interest in learning and understanding my point of view. I know how I arrived at my knowledge, what I saw that helped me understand. I didn't arrive at my insight via thought or thinking, but by the moment of intuitive understanding that took place when I abandoned hope that any of the despicable hateful gods I was taught to believe in could possibly exist. Try to believe that I do not care if you trust me. I defeated the Nothing and exited the place that has no exit. I ended suffering. I won. I am free. The price of my freedom was everything I believed in. Everything you think you know is upside down, inside out and backwards. I don't care if you trust me, only that you entertain that possibility. You want truth and the conditions are that you pay for it. Those conditions were not set by me but I know for sure what it cost me, everything I held dear. The price is the death of the ego. That is the one and only other death. The paradox is that you are the ego and your ego will not voluntarily cease to be. You have to get out on the highway where Grace can turn you into road kill. Your situation is absolutely hopeless just as mine was. Sorry about that. I didn't cause that either.

Scientology? OT3, Wall of Fire?

 

[Moonbeam]

Scientology? OT3, Wall of Fire?

Jesus, are you kidding me? I know what the first refers to, I have no idea about 2 and 3. The source of what I am saying is me. I am suggesting there is an insight, a peak experience, an ah hah moment, a shift in perspective, an alteration in ones normal state of consciousness that is transformative, that changes the way you see everything. Didn't Einstein have an epiphany, I am not sure about this at all, where he realized his theory of relativity when he shifted his perspective from thinking about llight passing by to riding on the light wave itself.

In order to experience a transformation of perspective about the singular isolated self, an accident of nature to a realization of ones oneness with everything, one has to be either tremendously curious or intensely miserably lonely. One must be like the Princess who can't sleep separated even by thirty nine mattresses from a pea.

The question you may want to consider is if you think such a transformation is real or possible and if so that it might explain the constant revelations throughout history of this or that person to whom such an event may have occurred Is there one truth that covers us all, one truth with a thousand faces. The evidence from myth, from psychology, from religion, even without my personal experience, is, to my mind profoundly convincing.

 

[disappoint]

Didn't Einstein have an epiphany, I am not sure about this at all, where he realized his theory of relativity when he shifted his perspective from thinking about llight passing by to riding on the light wave itself.

Something like that, yes:

For a decade, Einstein, a doctoral student in physics at Zurich's Federal Polytechnic School, had been troubled by the fact that “Newtonian mechanics and Maxwell's equations, the two pillars of physics, were incompatible,” according to Michio Kaku, writing for PBS' Nova.

One night, he tried to analyze the problem with his friend Michele Besso, but after repeatedly going over the issue, he became exhausted. “Einstein announced that he was defeated and would give up the entire quest,” Kaku wrote. “It was no use; he had failed.”

When he arrived home that night, he continued to consider the dilemma. His epiphany occurred as he imagined a car driving away from the town clock tower at the speed of light. If the car moved at the speed of light, the tower's clock would appear fixed to someone in the car. The clock's light could not catch up to the streetcar, but the car's clock would beat normally to the person inside.

“A storm broke loose in my mind,” Einstein said, according to PBS. He returned to Besso's home the next day and stated: “Thank you, I've completely solved the problem.” This concept would later become known as special relativity.

from: http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news...n-Publishes-Theory-of-Special-Relativity.html

 

[flexy]

My philosophy/theory:

WE are individual aspects of this "god" entity.

Furthermore (speculative, but interesting to think about), individuality, eg. the difference of "I am" and "You are" IS AN ILLUSION. Your feeling of individuality, your "I am" is the same as the "I am" feeling of someone else. All consciousnesses are the same, ultimately only ONE consciousness.

Differences (as said, an illusion) only perceived because (as a result of) those individual aspects of the ONE consciousness are in different physical bodies. And each physical body of course also has different memories, different perception, different life, learned different things etc..etc...but all the way down, at the core, at the essence of the "I am" feeling is the same consciousness, it's one "single unit", so to speak...and *possibly* god. (Here the other, interesting question whether "god" is actually an entity per-se, as in "different from us". If he/she/it is not, if the god is not even an "entity" in this sense, then of course and also "god" is everything...we are god and god is us.)

Might sound new-age-ish and far-out, but for me makes FAR more sense than the primitive and *limiting* god-interpretations by many religions.