The Jussie Smollett Affair

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HomerJS

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I have no clue why anyone would want to do something like this. Maybe a perennial victim like yourself could explain it to me?

Once again, I do believe he should be prosecuted if this is indeed a hoax. But not for his 'anti-Trump BS.' That part is still free speech.
This is one of my main reasons for believing him. Makes no sense to throw away a successful acting career on a hoax
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
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I have no clue why anyone would want to do something like this. Maybe a perennial victim like yourself could explain it to me?

Once again, I do believe he should be prosecuted if this is indeed a hoax. But not for his 'anti-Trump BS.' That part is still free speech.


Of course, he's free to dislike Trump. I'd fight for his right to do so, that is indeed free speech and the right to freedom of thought. I'm only concerned with the manufacturing of racism. As a Trump supporter I truly believe it is wrong to slander a group of people based on their skin color or which political leaning they have. Hope the truth comes out on this one. Disappointed in the liberal media running full bore with this.
 

Vic

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I'm not his employer and I assume you are not either. But, isn't that the expected norm these days when someone creates racism?
I wouldn't say it's the 'expected norm these days' so much as it has always been normal for businesses to disassociate themselves from persons who negatively impact their business. The 'create racism' part is usually because businesses want everyone who can afford to buy their products to be their customers, regardless of race, etc., and alienating customers is a poor business model.
 

realibrad

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How am I shitting on people that were skeptical and cautious from the start when I'm one of those?
There's a difference, you know, in being skeptical and cautious, and in being hopeful that it's a fraud and working to determine it as such. The former is a passive and neutral position, the latter is active and biased.
And to be honest, I didn't see a lot of people here who immediately accepted this as true. The circumstances being bizarre, it seemed that most were skeptical from the beginning.

I'm not saying you did, I'm asking you about your opinion on those that did.

As for hoping its fake, vs did not happen, which do you think is worse? I would argue that in the short run, hoping its fake means a person did not get assaulted in a horrible hate crime.

If you don't think people were immediately accepting, then explain this quote.

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I see the MAGA police are all over this incident, increasingly desperate to spray blame all over the victim if possible. Whatever blood must be shed in the unending defense of the MAGA.

lol, you guys are such treasures."

That got a response of "So should we not talk about the whole list of things that make this story smell pretty fishy". To which the previous person responded with this.

"lol. like anyone can stop you. I'm just going to keep pointing out your craven indifference to general human decency."

You then accused someone of not caring if the roles were different.

Later someone made a mistake and confused someone for another person. When it was pointed out, he insulted the person. I said he could have just admitted his mistake, and you responded with accusing me of quibbling over an irrelevant detail.

But, the best quote from you is this.

"My point is, why should anyone bother jumping through any hoops to prove anything to people who will never accept any amount of proof? And especially when it's not necessary? It doesn't matter what you think because you're not the law."

Later you accuse the media of being the problem. "I like it how it's the media who are fanning these racial flames and not, yaknow, the alt-right crazies who can't stop talking about racial issues."

Point is, its not just one side making this hyperbolic. Ill grant you that people rushed to believing this was fake, but, you then have to admit that people rushed to accepting it.
 
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SlowSpyder

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I wouldn't say it's the 'expected norm these days' so much as it has always been normal for businesses to disassociate themselves from persons who negatively impact their business. The 'create racism' part is usually because businesses want everyone who can afford to buy their products to be their customers, regardless of race, etc., and alienating customers is a poor business model.


So not giving Colin Kaepernick another job in the NFL is perfectly acceptable.
 

HurleyBird

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Keeping in mind that the error bars on these kinds of statistics are huge in general, your claim was against white people, not the national average (white homicide rate is less than half the national average according to the CDC).

Then you need to account for visa overstays versus illegal border crossings, which your source does not. It lumps in overstays with the rest, and that's obviously going to substantially lower the reported crime rate. When right wing figures talk about the dangers of illegal immigration, they're discussing southern border crossings specifically. Lumping in visa overstays to argue against those right wing figures is misleading and dishonest.

And lastly it's common knowledge that crime, and especially violent crime, primarily happens between perpetrators and victims in the same demographic. There's no good reason to think that this doesn't also apply to illegals. In which case, it stands to reason that there's a significant reporting bias since an illegal immigrant victim should be significantly less likely to contact police, at least outside of sanctuary cities.
 
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Vic

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So not giving Colin Kaepernick another job in the NFL is perfectly acceptable.
I've never said that the NFL couldn't fire Kaep. My only disagreement on that issue was the President's inflammatory mischaracterizations of Kaep's protest as being disrespectful to veterans and the military.
 

SlowSpyder

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Between this story, the high school kids being defamed through leftist lies, the election of Trump (one of the biggest political upsets in American history), the left's fight for privilege and not equality, manufactured racism because a congressman had an old book in his office, etc. etc., I can't help but wonder if we've reached "peak liberal." Maybe that deserves its own thread though.
 
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Vic

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Between this story, the high school kids being defamed through leftist lies, the election of Trump (one of the biggest political upsets in American history), the left's fight for privilege and not equality, manufactured racism because a congressman had an old book in his office, etc. etc., I can't help but wonder if we've reached "peak liberal." Maybe that deserves its own thread though.

And exactly what I said earlier would happen is now happening. A few hoaxes (most created by right wingers), some idiotic tweets from B-list celebrities trying to go viral (that Fox news tells its viewers are representative of all that is liberalism), and suddenly it's all lies. And you have everything you needed to prove that all your fears are true. The only racists in this country are the ones trying to subjugate whites, right? Isn't that what you already post here every day?

Poor poor victim Slow.
 

allisolm

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A little more food for thought concerning the brothers - from a statement made after their release.

“Yes, they are confirmed to be the men on scene by surveillance video,” Chicago Police said in a statement to ABC7 Chicago. “The reason why they were there is now central to the investigation and we can’t get into that at this time.

https://pagesix.com/2019/02/16/nige...-surveillance-video-of-jussie-smollet-attack/
 

Jaskalas

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A little more food for thought concerning the brothers - from a statement made after their release.

“Yes, they are confirmed to be the men on scene by surveillance video,” Chicago Police said in a statement to ABC7 Chicago. “The reason why they were there is now central to the investigation and we can’t get into that at this time.

https://pagesix.com/2019/02/16/nige...-surveillance-video-of-jussie-smollet-attack/

That sure sounds all but confirmed.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
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And exactly what I said earlier would happen is now happening. A few hoaxes (most created by right wingers), some idiotic tweets from B-list celebrities trying to go viral (that Fox news tells its viewers are representative of all that is liberalism), and suddenly it's all lies. And you have everything you needed to prove that all your fears are true. The only racists in this country are the ones trying to subjugate whites, right? Isn't that what you already post here every day?

Poor poor victim Slow.


No you dolt. I understand racism exists and is a real problem. I'm a Trump supporter, naturally I don't want people judged by the color of their skin, their ethnicity, sexuality, etc. This is unlike the left today that fights for privilege and thinks racist policies like affirmative action are the best way to combat racism. Fire with fire, I guess is their approach? If they're racist it is ok to be racist in return. Something like that.
 

fskimospy

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No you dolt. I understand racism exists and is a real problem. I'm a Trump supporter, naturally I don't want people judged by the color of their skin, their ethnicity, sexuality, etc. This is unlike the left today that fights for privilege and thinks racist policies like affirmative action are the best way to combat racism. Fire with fire, I guess is their approach? If they're racist it is ok to be racist in return. Something like that.

As a Trump supporter does it bother you that he judges people by the color of their skin?
 

fskimospy

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No you dolt. I understand racism exists and is a real problem. I'm a Trump supporter, naturally I don't want people judged by the color of their skin, their ethnicity, sexuality, etc. This is unlike the left today that fights for privilege and thinks racist policies like affirmative action are the best way to combat racism. Fire with fire, I guess is their approach? If they're racist it is ok to be racist in return. Something like that.

As a Trump supporter does it bother you that he judges people by the color of their skin?
 

fskimospy

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I don't believe that to be true. If he did, it would bother me, yes.

How do you feel about a judge saying he can’t rule on his case because he’s a Mexican?

I already know how you will try to excuse it but we both know Trump is an incredible racist.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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How do you feel about a judge saying he can’t rule on his case because he’s a Mexican?

I already know how you will try to excuse it but we both know Trump is an incredible racist.

There are legitimate reasons to call people out for their bias, tribal or otherwise. That may not have been such a case. If it were to be appropriate it should be done with at least an example to demonstrate the bias of the Judge. To judge him on his actions rather than his birth.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
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How do you feel about a judge saying he can’t rule on his case because he’s a Mexican?

I already know how you will try to excuse it but we both know Trump is an incredible racist.


I think he was making comments about bias and not race. But he mentioned race, so the overly PC liberals ran with a false narrative. A big nothingburger.
 

fskimospy

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I think he was making comments about bias and not race. But he mentioned race, so the overly PC liberals ran with a false narrative. A big nothingburger.

Yes, he said he would be biased because of his Mexican ancestry. The racism is obvious to anyone with common sense.
 
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