The Jussie Smollett Affair

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jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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Why would anyone be ashamed of being so compassionate and empathetic that they on very rare occasions are duped into showing support to someone?

This guy didn't start a gofundme. In fact the only related one I found was this: https://www.gofundme.com/westandwithjussie which seems pretty harmless and certainly not gathering the support of people in the way the idiotic wall did as well as other grifters.
 
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kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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Love this one: "We're told investigators didn't believe the 2 alleged attackers screamed, 'This is MAGA country,'because, 'Not a single Trump supporter watches 'Empire.'"

blackangst1 might prove that wrong, but he's all I can think of hahaha
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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I find it strange that people are... expecting(?) instant results.
Seems quite similar to jumping the gun on the police investigation of the incident.

I'm not expecting instant results. I'm responding to your post that said because he hasn't been charged nor convicted of as crime, his job should be safe.
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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Why would anyone be ashamed of being so compassionate and empathetic that they on very rare occasions are duped into showing support to someone?

This guy didn't start a gofundme. In fact the only related one I found was this: https://www.gofundme.com/westandwithjussie which seems pretty harmless and certainly not gathering the support of people in the way the idiotic wall did as well as other grifters.

Does compassion and empathy require people to come to P&N to voice their belief that the claims were solid? It's one thing to attack the alleged victim, its another to come to P&N to profess that anyone not believing is a MAGA bigot.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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That's a phat beat, DJ Quibbles.

I might respond to you if you'd bothered to answer before raising your own questions.

As it is, you can futz off to quibbling with other people who choose to engage with you.
 
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jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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Does compassion and empathy require people to come to P&N to voice their belief that the claims were solid? It's one thing to attack the alleged victim, its another to come to P&N to profess that anyone not believing is a MAGA bigot.
But actually, I will answer and the answer is yes.

When you encounter bigotry, it's best to confront it and not let it go unchallenged.
 
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Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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Why would anyone be ashamed of being so compassionate and empathetic that they on very rare occasions are duped into showing support to someone?

This guy didn't start a gofundme. In fact the only related one I found was this: https://www.gofundme.com/westandwithjussie which seems pretty harmless and certainly not gathering the support of people in the way the idiotic wall did as well as other grifters.
Does compassion and empathy require people to come to P&N to voice their belief that the claims were solid? It's one thing to attack the alleged victim, its another to come to P&N to profess that anyone not believing is a MAGA bigot.
But actually, I will answer and the answer is yes.

When you encounter bigotry, it's best to confront it and not let it go unchallenged.
Wow.

The problem is who you declare to be a "racist" or a "bigot" is often simply someone who disagrees with you.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Because the confluence of factors was so ridiculous. I think anyone who isn't a leftist ideologue saw that immediately.
I'm talking about when the story first broke, before anyone had any details and someonesmind is acting like celebrities who showed public support were racists. What?
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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I'm talking about when the story first broke, before anyone had any details and someonesmind is acting like celebrities who showed public support were racists. What?
When the story first broke, it already sounded ridiculous.
 

SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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From what I see of his media input since the alleged attack, yep, going to have to agree with that.

Though I wouldn't worry about the election assistance angle too much. It still pales in comparison to what right wing narcissists do these days, not to mention unfortunetly we're likely due many mass shootings from now until then. That won't be good for the NRA's bitch/co-conspirator.


But what about the right?! Mass shootings?!

You've made one weak and lame post.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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As ridiculous as someone making it all up? Please...
Yes. Absolutely.

[edit]
Death threat letter at work (didn't seem very authentic).
[/edit]

"Two white guys"

"Masks"
Oh that's too bad (convenient). You can't identify them

"Noose"

"Bleach / smelled like bleach"

"This is MAGA country."

"On phone while it happened"
How convenient.

[edit]
"Waited over 45 minutes to call police."
Why?
[/edit]

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"Still had rope on neck when he met with police."
Why? Sounds like a prop / costume!
[/edit]

Bullshit alarms went off like crazy. I didn't say anything in this thread about my hunch, but I told my brother unequivocally: "Mark my words. Whatever happened DID NOT happen as it was described." I watched with amazement as people in this thread apparently took the whole story at face value and attacked anyone expressing doubt.

There's a chance Jussie intended to fool the guy on the other end of the phone call. Maybe that guy wasn't in on the scheme.

Screenshot of an unsolicited PM that I sent early on:



And another:
 
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UglyCasanova

Lifer
Mar 25, 2001
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As ridiculous as someone making it all up? Please...


When the story broke it seemed preposterous. Too over the top and didn’t make sense. Given that we’ve seen people make up these things before it being a hoax wouldn’t be outside the realm of possibilities.
 

Ackmed

Diamond Member
Oct 1, 2003
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I chose to believe him because circumstances made it plausible. I also said waiting for evidence to come in before concluding true or false. I never said it was conclusively true.

Nothing about it makes it plausible. If you actually looked at the alleged facts to start with. Highly democratic area, and black. Freezing cold, "bleach like" substance would freeze fast. The list goes on and on. You believed it because you wanted to. Because you live for things like this. Your initial post didnt say a think about waiting for evidence. Like many cases before it, jumping to conclusions was a bad idea.

Funny how you and others who think and act like you are back tracking now. Cory Booker, 2020 Dem candidate, called it "modern day lynching" when the story first broke. NOW he wants to https://www.foxnews.com/politics/co...fter-calling-it-attempted-modern-day-lynchingwait for evidence when asked about the sudden turns of events. Yet still blaming conservatives for the entire thing.

People such as yourselves, gin up racism, where racism is not found. You think you are the tip of the spear of fighting racism, yet you are a big part of the core problem. Racism is not near as bad as people like you make it out to be. Fake racism and bigotry acts, that later disappear when the truth comes out, are a big part of the problem.

7 year old girl killed by white man in a drive by? Story was all over the news a few weeks ago. Called a hate crime, etc, etc,. Shaun King (white guy pretending to be black) posted a picture of who he thought was the guy who shot the girl. Lefties attacked him online and he received death threats. Yet when the truth comes out, that it was black on black crime *POOF* story disappears. No apologies, nothing. Onto the next headline. A lot of people will not see the updates, and continue to think it was a hate crime of a white guy against a 7 year old black girl.

Such is the case in this event. All over the news, and now will disappear. All the politicians and hollywood elites who claimed conservatives, trump supporters, etc are to blame, wont apologize. Tweets will be (already are) deleted, not any attempt to update them and post new events.

You, and people like you are a big problem. Not waiting for facts, pushing fake news, and creating division. The fact that the Convington kids, who were the victims of racism and bigotry, and made out to be the attackers of it got far more media attention than a black man who hunted and killed white men for years is telling. As is the fact that you only post alleged racism on one type. You dont care about actual racism, you only care about certain forms of it. And you push fake racism time and time again.
Much like I believe that people who allege rape and are lying about it, should receive the same sentence as those who would be convicted of rape, so should this guy if it does turn out to be manufactured by him. These types of false allegations hurt real victims of racism and bigotry,. They will be less likely to come forward, and to be believed.
But dont worry, there are many like you on these forums, the media, politics, hollywood, etc. Strength in numbers I guess? This will not serve as a lesson for you, you will continue to repeat this type of behavior. Your past proves this.

edit for formatting. New forums suck ass and cant really edit the text, and I dont feel like picking thru it on this Surface.
 
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HurleyBird

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Because the confluence of factors was so ridiculous. I think anyone who isn't a leftist ideologue saw that immediately.

I'm sure that's correct, but I don't think this is some immutable characteristic unique to left wing ideologues though -- various tribes are primed to see specific things. The distinction in present day society is that we don't really have any kind of tangible right wing representation in TV, movies, the arts, and hardly any in universities (depending somewhat on the specific field). So while a right-wing individual has some notion of the way the left thinks by virtue of having it crammed down their throats all their lives, the reverse isn't really true (except maybe if they grew up in a very conservative environment). The hoaxers think "This is MAGA country" is something a right wing ideologue might actually say, and liberals don't know any better either, but anyone right-leaning, and possibly the majority of centrists, can instantly recognise that a trump supporter would never actually speak like that.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Yes. Absolutely.

"Two white guys"

"Masks"
Oh that's too bad (convenient). You can't identify them

"Noose"

"Bleach / smelled like bleach"

"This is MAGA country."

"On phone while it happened"
How convenient.

Bullshit alarms went off like crazy. I didn't say anything in this thread about my hunch, but I told my brother unequivocally: "Mark my words. Whatever happened DID NOT happen as it was described." I watched with amazement as people in this thread apparently took the whole story at face value and attacked anyone expressing doubt.

There's a chance Jussie intended to fool the guy on the other end of the phone call. Maybe that guy wasn't in on the scheme.

Screenshot of an unsolicited PM that I sent early on:



And another:
Sorry but I don't agree. The idea that someone would do something so stupid is completely foreign to me. I know people do stupid things all the time but this makes zero sense. The guy is clearly mentally ill.

Just out of curiosity, when someone says they were attacked by people wearing masks, is your first reaction always "oh how convenient"? That seems weird to me. Same with on the phone and same for two white guys. Being able to identify the race of your attackers doesn't set off alarm bells for me. Saying MAGA shit happens all the time so again, not weirder than making up shit like this. Bleach and noose my first thought would be okay this was a planned attack before I would think it was a planned hoax.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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This dude didn't get fired yet?!?!?
Why would he be fired? He has not been charged with a crime yet. Let alone convicted. Give it time.
...
I'm not expecting instant results. I'm responding to your post that said because he hasn't been charged nor convicted of as crime, his job should be safe.
If we are to delve into this detour, then I'll point it out. In the post you replied to I thought it was clear enough, that there's a time frame involved. The person I was responding to was asking why it didn't happen already, and I'm like bro, police only outted him yesterday. On a holiday weekend.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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Sorry but I don't agree. The idea that someone would do something so stupid is completely foreign to me. I know people do stupid things all the time but this makes zero sense. The guy is clearly mentally ill.

Just out of curiosity, when someone says they were attacked by people wearing masks, is your first reaction always "oh how convenient"? That seems weird to me. Same with on the phone and same for two white guys. Being able to identify the race of your attackers doesn't set off alarm bells for me. Saying MAGA shit happens all the time so again, not weirder than making up shit like this. Bleach and noose my first thought would be okay this was a planned attack before I would think it was a planned hoax.
Attackers would probably be discouraged to see that he was on a phone call. Help could be right around the corner.

Not only was there obviously something fishy from the start, I also knew that any expression of doubt would be met with vicious accusations of racism and bigotry. I was absolutely correct in that assumption.

So shamefully predictable.
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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Sorry but I don't agree. The idea that someone would do something so stupid is completely foreign to me. I know people do stupid things all the time but this makes zero sense. The guy is clearly mentally ill.

Just out of curiosity, when someone says they were attacked by people wearing masks, is your first reaction always "oh how convenient"? That seems weird to me. Same with on the phone and same for two white guys. Being able to identify the race of your attackers doesn't set off alarm bells for me. Saying MAGA shit happens all the time so again, not weirder than making up shit like this. Bleach and noose my first thought would be okay this was a planned attack before I would think it was a planned hoax.

The point is that intuition is not required for things like this. Just because you can't understand the reason someone would do it should not be the bar for belief. The fact that there was no evidence and a story that had holes is what made me hold back. It appears that was what others for stuck on. You got caught by your bias.
 
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