The Jussie Smollett Affair

[dank69]

Attackers would probably be discouraged to see that he was on a phone call. Help could be right around the corner.

Not only was there obviously something fishy from the start,

Why would attackers be discouraged? Take the dude and smash the phone. Might raise the risk a bit depending on how long they were planning on hanging around but still, the idea that someone would do something as stupid as fake this whole thing would still be a crazy conspiracy theory in comparison.

I also knew that any expression of doubt would be met with vicious accusations of racism and bigotry. I was absolutely correct in that assumption.

So shamefully predictable.

And why do you think people reacted that way to people who thought the idea of faking this whole thing was more likely than two people planning an attack against a gay black man?

 

[dank69]

The point is that intuition is not required for things like this. Just because you can't understand the reason someone would do it should not be the bar for belief. The fact that there was no evidence and a story that had holes is what made me hold back. It appears that was what others for stuck on. You got caught by your bias.

What holes? I just said that they don't come off as holes to me.

 

[Ichinisan]

Why would attackers be discouraged? Take the dude and smash the phone. Might raise the risk a bit depending on how long they were planning on hanging around but still, the idea that someone would do something as stupid as fake this whole thing would still be a crazy conspiracy theory in comparison.

They supposedly called out to him "f****t Empire n****r" before they approached. He could have asked for help before they ever got to him to smash the phone.

Also: They didn't smash the phone.

Look. There's a reason I was absolutely 100% confident it didn't go down as it was initially reported. Obvious to me and some others here, while others were oblivious. We still don't have a motive. Being written off the show doesn't make sense and the show producers denied it. My hunch tells me he was probably trying to get out of some serious shit and that's why he had his boss on the phone to witness it. Maybe this whole charade was meant to fool the show runner guy on the phone. That could also be why the death threat letter was sent to his place of work and fully committing to the hoax attack would seal the deal.

And why do you think people reacted that way to people who thought the idea of faking this whole thing was more likely than two people planning an attack against a gay black man?

Reading the same information, they are completely oblivious to the incredulity of the scenario, which is absolutely obvious to me. Willful ignorance, blinded by ideology. The hoax / fraud scenario seemed a far more likely explanation to me and many others here. That's just a fact.

 

[Ichinisan]

[don't know why it quoted]

 

[realibrad]

What holes? I just said that they don't come off as holes to me.

The holes is the lack of evidence. Cameras everywhere and nothing. Supposedly on the phone with someone, but, not an immediate call to the police. Wearing the rope when the police do arrive. Modifying the phone records. Claimed to have punched on of the guys and claimed they were white.

If you only listen and believe and someone lies to you then you end up here. If you take action and investigate claims for validity you are more likely to find the truth.

Make no mistake, claims this extreme need to be validated. Had this been true, and not investigated then there would be a problem.

What many did was to shit on those that were skeptical. When Allislom agrees with my position then that should be a clue that something is weird.

 

[Ichinisan]

...
What many did was to shit on those that were skeptical. When Allislom agrees with my position then that should be a clue that something is weird.

Yeah. It was a good feeling to know that Allisolm was thinking rationally while many here would not.

 

[UNCjigga]

Wow, I disappeared for a few days and just caught up with this story.

Is Jessie Smollet racist? I don’t know...I don’t know that what he did was “racist” but it’s sure as fuck criminal. I can tell you for sure that the next time some random attack happens and there’s even a hint MAGA nation is involved, you can bet your ass that they’ll all be screaming “SMOLLET!” and denying it from the get go. This is just ammo for the Alex Joneses of the world to believe in crisis actors and faked massacres.

You did a shitty thing JS and I hope that Hollywood society doesn’t forgive you. You’re done.

 

[Dari]

As ridiculous as someone making it all up? Please...

You really think people are going to get into a fight in -20 degree weather? It's too cold for that.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Where did he get that bobo

 

[umbrella39]

Slip... meet Mr Freud

 

[woolfe9998]

The holes is the lack of evidence. Cameras everywhere and nothing. Supposedly on the phone with someone, but, not an immediate call to the police. Wearing the rope when the police do arrive. Modifying the phone records. Claimed to have punched on of the guys and claimed they were white.

With the possible exception of wearing the rope, all of those things came out in the days after the initial story broke.

I neither believed nor disbelieved him initially. The arguments for a hoax seemed premature to me. Didn't take long before it started to look that way to me though. But not on that first day.

If you only listen and believe and someone lies to you then you end up here. If you take action and investigate claims for validity you are more likely to find the truth.

Make no mistake, claims this extreme need to be validated. Had this been true, and not investigated then there would be a problem.

What many did was to shit on those that were skeptical. When Allislom agrees with my position then that should be a clue that something is weird.

I have no issue with the skepticism. My issue is with people being celebratory about it being a hoax. It isn't something to celebrate.

 

[HurleyBird]

I have no issue with the skepticism. My issue is with people being celebratory about it being a hoax. It isn't something to celebrate.

Do you... think it would be better if the event had actually happened as described?

In fact, this being such a high profile hoax could be a good thing. We're pretty focused as a society at looking under all the rocks and into all the nooks and crannies for the last vestiges of racism, at least against minorities, which in and of itself is fine. But when coupled with giving race baiters a relative pass that just inflames racial tensions. We should be strongly discouraging both, and if this can help serve as a catalyst for the later thanks to its sheer visibility, then it could very well be a good thing in the long run.

 

[realibrad]

With the possible exception of wearing the rope, all of those things came out in the days after the initial story broke.

I neither believed nor disbelieved him initially. The arguments for a hoax seemed premature to me. Didn't take long before it started to look that way to me though. But not on that first day.



I have no issue with the skepticism. My issue is with people being celebratory about it being a hoax. It isn't something to celebrate.

The people I have seen celebrating were the ones being shit on for their skepticism. A few that were far enough in the left that were cautious were fine, but, anyone seen as being in the right were shit on. That's not too say that it did not happen, but, in this thread that is what I saw.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Not quite. Conservatives would continue to believe "their guy" after all the damning evidence came out. They'd say it was a conspiracy of the CPD, the deep state, whatever. Like they did with Roy Moore. Like they've done with Trump. Taking sides before all the facts come out is one thing; staying on the wrong side after they come out is another.

Perhaps, but the left has done a pretty good job of late in rushing to judgment and stubbornly refusing to admit their errors. I am not talking about forum members. I am referring to more important people like Presidential candidates.

 

[zinfamous]

Why would anyone be ashamed of being so compassionate and empathetic that they on very rare occasions are duped into showing support to someone?

I don't know, man: ask the ~25-30 million Americans that still unquestioningly support a conman like Trump.

--damn, looks like that one hit a little too close to home for our "ironically prideful" BAMAVOO.

 

[FerrelGeek]

<snip>
Reading the same information, they are completely oblivious to the incredulity of the scenario, which is absolutely obvious to me. Willful ignorance, blinded by ideology. The hoax / fraud scenario seemed a far more likely explanation to me and many others here. That's just a fact.

I smelled hoax as soon as I heard the 'this is MAGA country' line coming from people in Chicago. I hope this a**wipe goes to jail for falsifying a police report.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The people I have seen celebrating were the ones being shit on for their skepticism. A few that were far enough in the left that were cautious were fine, but, anyone seen as being in the right were shit on. That's not too say that it did not happen, but, in this thread that is what I saw.

Majority that posted with skepticism like myself listed out the exact reasons WHY we had skepticism.

It's not like we said "We don't believe that leftie gay black guy" I actually went through and listed out WHY almost to the point of calling MAGA folks too mornic to perform such a ridiculous plot.

I'm sorry but this absolutely REEKS of victim culture mentality akin to poop swastika.

If someone hates this actor - they track him down and they beat the shit out of him like the racist fucking scumbags that they are.... or maybe they randomly spot him and do it. If you're that adamant to the point of tracking someone down I would also suspect you're stupid enough to murder.

HOWEVER - They don't "assault him at 2AM.... tie a rope around his neck... and pour some bleach on him"... I'm sorry, but that's just not how dumb fucks operate. They don't carry bleach in bottle or something, this just sounds preposterous. They also don't carry spare rope unless they (wait for it...) are actually going to hang someone with it.

Also, racist white klan folks in Chicago? Not sure what you're smoking, that's not what I ever see in Chicago, and I've been there plenty. It's also INCREDIBLY fucking hard to catch someone alone in Chicago without some eye-witness accounts.

I honestly at this point doubt this - because it just reeks of bullshit based on the fabricated story. I can only hope that over time the truth comes forward. I also suspect it isn't what people here want to believe it is.

 

[realibrad]

I don't know, man: ask the ~25-30 million Americans that still unquestioningly support a conman like Trump.

--damn, looks like that one hit a little too close to home for our "ironically prideful" BAMAVOO.

The issue was not about supporting someone. The issue was believing the claim and insulting those that were cautious.

 

[zinfamous]

The issue was not about supporting someone. The issue was believing the claim and insulting those that were cautious.

If you interpret UC and someone'smind as "being cautious," then I'm not sure we are speaking on the same plane of reality here. My "this claim sounds weird and all, but benefit of the doubt, etc" post from early on is "being cautious" but the admitted "I am skeeting all over myself because this is all fake fake fake fake!" proclamations from UC are an entirely different breed. Such people are being insulted for their professed intent--not for their undeserved claims of "objectivity" regarding the information.

Huge difference. Think on it. ..... (don't worry, I know you won't.)

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

If you interpret UC and someone'smind as "being cautious," then I'm not sure we are speaking on the same plane of reality here. My "this claim sounds weird and all, but benefit of the doubt, etc" post from early on is "being cautious" but the admitted "I am skeeting all over myself because this is all fake fake fake fake!" proclamations from UC are an entirely different breed. Such people are being insulted for their professed intent--not for their undeserved claims of "objectivity" regarding the information.

Huge difference. Think on it. ..... (don't worry, I know you won't.)

You can interpret it that way all you want. Doesn't mean it's true. See my ending quote below - My main assertion is that it was a fabricated story and that I hope the truth came forward... I also correctly asserted that it's not what people here wanted to believe it is.

I honestly at this point doubt this - because it just reeks of bullshit based on the fabricated story. I can only hope that over time the truth comes forward. I also suspect it isn't what people here want to believe it is.

And I was actively calling "MAGA folks" too stupid and incompetent to ever make such a cunning plot.

If someone hates this actor - they track him down and they beat the shit out of him like the racist fucking scumbags that they are.... or maybe they randomly spot him and do it. If you're that adamant to the point of tracking someone down I would also suspect you're stupid enough to murder.

You can act like I was "skeeting all over myself" with those quotes - But just realize - It's just your stupid bias' doing the talking for you.

Either way, I have to give Chicago PD the biggest kudos ever. They knew it was bullshit from the start, but they acted as if they bought it and were just doing their job to help him as a victim. They quickly found the laundry list jelly bean spill of details of the stupid plan and they have him over the barrel. I honestly don't even think a lawyer can help at this point.

 

[purbeast0]

Either way, I have to give Chicago PD the biggest kudos ever. They knew it was bullshit from the start, but they acted as if they bought it and were just doing their job to help him as a victim. They quickly found the laundry list jelly bean spill of details of the stupid plan and they have him over the barrel. I honestly don't even think a lawyer can help at this point.

Link?

 

[realibrad]

If you interpret UC and someone'smind as "being cautious," then I'm not sure we are speaking on the same plane of reality here. My "this claim sounds weird and all, but benefit of the doubt, etc" post from early on is "being cautious" but the admitted "I am skeeting all over myself because this is all fake fake fake fake!" proclamations from UC are an entirely different breed. Such people are being insulted for their professed intent--not for their undeserved claims of "objectivity" regarding the information.

Huge difference. Think on it. ..... (don't worry, I know you won't.)

Again, people were shit on so I can expect some gloating. UC specifically was run pretty hard in a previous thread about hoaxes when it comes to these type of things. So, I can imagine be shit on and then this comes up and he turns out to be right, and those shitting on him wrong and getting some enjoyment about it.

But, he was not the only person trying to explain why people like Dank and Homer got this wrong. The reply to those people was effectively "but this was a horrible claim about something serious, so of course I believed him". That defense is silly no?

 

[Jaskalas]

I don't know, man: ask the ~25-30 million Americans that still unquestioningly support a conman like Trump.

Damn, we can only hope it is that low. Don't polls indicate it's closer to 110 million?

 

[HomerJS]

Then maybe I don't understand you. How do you believe him but not believe it's true or false? What is it that you are believing him about, and what is not true/false?

Situation plausible because of current events along with no discernible incentive to lie means I gave him the benefit of the doubt until facts dictate otherwise.

If his story was Barack Obama attacked me at niight I would not believe it because based on history and current circimstances the story sounds implausible.

 

[HomerJS]

Nothing about it makes it plausible. If you actually looked at the alleged facts to start with. Highly democratic area, and black. Freezing cold, "bleach like" substance would freeze fast. The list goes on and on. You believed it because you wanted to. Because you live for things like this. Your initial post didnt say a think about waiting for evidence. Like many cases before it, jumping to conclusions was a bad idea.

Funny how you and others who think and act like you are back tracking now. Cory Booker, 2020 Dem candidate, called it "modern day lynching" when the story first broke. NOW he wants to https://www.foxnews.com/politics/co...fter-calling-it-attempted-modern-day-lynchingwait for evidence when asked about the sudden turns of events. Yet still blaming conservatives for the entire thing.

People such as yourselves, gin up racism, where racism is not found. You think you are the tip of the spear of fighting racism, yet you are a big part of the core problem. Racism is not near as bad as people like you make it out to be. Fake racism and bigotry acts, that later disappear when the truth comes out, are a big part of the problem.

7 year old girl killed by white man in a drive by? Story was all over the news a few weeks ago. Called a hate crime, etc, etc,. Shaun King (white guy pretending to be black) posted a picture of who he thought was the guy who shot the girl. Lefties attacked him online and he received death threats. Yet when the truth comes out, that it was black on black crime *POOF* story disappears. No apologies, nothing. Onto the next headline. A lot of people will not see the updates, and continue to think it was a hate crime of a white guy against a 7 year old black girl.

Such is the case in this event. All over the news, and now will disappear. All the politicians and hollywood elites who claimed conservatives, trump supporters, etc are to blame, wont apologize. Tweets will be (already are) deleted, not any attempt to update them and post new events.

You, and people like you are a big problem. Not waiting for facts, pushing fake news, and creating division. The fact that the Convington kids, who were the victims of racism and bigotry, and made out to be the attackers of it got far more media attention than a black man who hunted and killed white men for years is telling. As is the fact that you only post alleged racism on one type. You dont care about actual racism, you only care about certain forms of it. And you push fake racism time and time again.
Much like I believe that people who allege rape and are lying about it, should receive the same sentence as those who would be convicted of rape, so should this guy if it does turn out to be manufactured by him. These types of false allegations hurt real victims of racism and bigotry,. They will be less likely to come forward, and to be believed.
But dont worry, there are many like you on these forums, the media, politics, hollywood, etc. Strength in numbers I guess? This will not serve as a lesson for you, you will continue to repeat this type of behavior. Your past proves this.

edit for formatting. New forums suck ass and cant really edit the text, and I dont feel like picking thru it on this Surface.

The guy who is on board with birtherism, Obama wiretapped my phone, 3-5 million illegal votes doesn't get to fucking lecture us about fake news.

Now back to the case in a country where somebody can be tied by a rope to the back of a pickup truck and dragged down the street you find this impossible? In an era where hate crimes, racist attacks and anti semetism are up 17 % since Trump took office you find this impossible? I don't. I believed him until facts proved otherwise.

I'll give one to you if you can be honest. Remember the girl with the "B" carved in her cheek and claimed Obama supporters did it? You believe her right? Kinda over the top right? Forgetting the fact Obama NEVER called for physical violence like Trump has.

AS for your bitch about media coverage, don't worry when some cute white girl goes missing the media will be on it 24/7, so take heart, douchebag.