The Jussie Smollett Affair

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Paladin3

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I've just read somewhere that he gets paid $65,000 per episode of "Empire" show by Fox, and the show typically airs 18 episodes a year. That amounts to $1.17 M annual income for this dude just from the show. And as an actor I would assume he could make more via endorsements, speeches, or even appearances. I am not saying he would not have grievance if he had actually been assaulted. But making false accusation of such kind and magnitude is different because it presupposes that he is aware of the social and historical struggle of those victim groups, and that their financial suffering is a big part of it.

I hope he gets the maximum sentence the law allows for the kind of crime he committed and then some. This is an opposite of hate crime in that his lies give rise to justifiable suspicion to future actual victims and on top of that he brought disrepute to the social movements that so many have fought for in so many ways. And he should serve as a warning for potential future drama queens who dare think about using their imagined victimhood status to gain personal advantage.
Remember this was the actions of one man and a few accomplices, not a wide ranging conspiracy. We can't allow what Smollett did to lessen our compassion and our demands for justice for the actual victims of racism.
 
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Regardless of what Smollett did, it's on us if we decide this incident is reason to disbelieve the claims of hate crime victims going forward. Every report of such an attack needs to be fully investigated as the CPD did in this case. Kudos to them for handling this thoroughly and professionally to get to the truth, both before and after Smollett's story started sounding fishy.

I would hope both sides can at least agree on that.

Absolutely.

It works extremely well because when "victims" are fabricating a story of this magnitude they will be so excited that the cops are listening/believing them that they start to lose track of what they claimed along the way as they tell the story for the 20th time to officers, investigators, etc...

I mean what the fuck were you thinking when he said he was on the phone during the altercation and didn't expect to hand over his phone?

"I have evidence!"
Can we see it?
"Oh... uhh... HELL NO you can't"
 
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HomerJS

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Absolutely.

It works extremely well because when "victims" are fabricating a story of this magnitude they will be so excited that the cops are listening/believing them that they start to lose track of what they claimed along the way as they tell the story for the 20th time to officers, investigators, etc...

I mean what the fuck were you thinking when he said he was on the phone during the altercation and didn't expect to hand over his phone?

"I have evidence!"
Can we see it?
"Oh... uhh... HELL NO you can't"
Yeah it's kind of like..

I know 3-5 million people voted illegally..

What is your evidence? People tell me.
 

allisolm

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According to the timeline that was read by someone from the state attorney's office, one of the brothers was also Smollett's drug dealer.
 
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According to the timeline that was read by someone from the state attorney's office, one of the brothers was also Smollett's drug dealer.

...but no charges for the drug dealer?

Get a search warrant for Jussie's house. Find said drugs (and other potential evidence)... Profit (charge Jussie with additional crime).

Have the other guy get minimum sentencing in return for complete cooperation.
 

UglyCasanova

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Smollett returned to the set of Empire today. Fox is certainly scratching their heads on how to deal with this one lol.
 

brandonbull

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Yeah it's kind of like..

I know 3-5 million people voted illegally..

What is your evidence? People tell me.

I was thinking more along the lines of we have this secret document and it has some bad stuff about Trump in it.
What's your evidence? The Russians.
 

CZroe

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You have some kind of sourcing for this info, right? A couple links... something?
The one where Zimmerman was not justified and Trayvon was murdered by a racist.

There is not a single scrap of evidence that Zimmerman is a racist and a preponderance of evidence the he is not. He was raised with two black children. He invited black people to stay in his home. His black neighbors said he was the only neighbor to introduce himself. His black coworkers have come out to say he doesn’t have a racist bone in his body. He campaigned against the Sanford police department until they brought charges on the police chief’s son for mistreating a black homeless man. He’s even a minority’s himself.

...and he voted for Obama.

What kind of person did you think he was?

You have some kind of sourcing for this info, right? A couple links... something?
Too lazy to read the court transcripts for yourself?

You haven’t even told me what parts you disagree with.

I guess I’ll just have to infer the parts you don’t believe.

First, I said it wasn’t sweet tea. It wasn’t:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2013/06/trayvon-martin-death-photos-shown-zimmerman-trial.html

Next, I said he made it home before going back to confront Zimmerman. The timeline shows plenty of time to travel home and back and his girlfriend, Jeantel, testified in court that Trayvon went home first. If you can’t be bothered to find and read the transcripts, here is one relevant part:

WEST: Right. At that point he [Trayvon] decided to approach this man and say, why are you following me?
JEANTEL: Yes, sir.
WEST: And he could have just run home if he wasn't there.
JEANTEL: He was already by his house. He told me.

Trayvon made it home then went back to confront Zimmerman. This is 100% in-line with the 911 call where Zimmerman loses sight and complies they tell him they don’t need him to follow. Listen to the call or read the transcripts yourself. You can even hear his breathing and the wind change as he stops running/trying to keep up.

Next, I said that Zimmerman was on the ground having his head bashed into the sidewalk. Multiple witnesses reported seeing this, though only John Good and Zimmerman himself was able to say who was on top.

Again, you don’t have to believe either of them, since the physical evidence says the same thing. Zimmerman’s bloody lacerations, the grass stains, the blows to his face, the place Trayvon’s body fell back to, etc.

Injuries:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zi...heds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532

If this is all hard for you to accept, it shouldn’t be. You’ve been lied to. You should expect an agenda from every news story you read. Once you accept just how easily the media distorts reality, you will never be so gullible again.

One common misconception is that the police told Zimmerman not to follow and that he ignored their direct order. In reality, he immediately stopped pursuing Trayvon even though they did not order him to stop and it was 911 dispatch (not the same). Though 911 dispatch/operators are often police, they are not assumed to be. If they tell you not to do something it does not carry the same weight as a uniformed police officer giving you an order. Their actual words were “we don’t need you to do that,” which isn’t at all the same as saying “stop” or “don’t do that.” It’s to limit their liabilities so you can’t sue them if you get hurt (you can’t claim that they needed/encouraged you to put yourself at risk).

From the 911 operator himself:
“We’re directly liable if we give a direct order,”
“We always try to give general basic . . . not commands, just suggestions.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...145e2994a55_story.html?utm_term=.19122dfc6732
(check out the rest of that article too)

As if to make all of that irrelevant anyway, he answered “OK” and immediately returned to the street to meet with an officer. You can find the recording and transcript easily... just stay away from that deceptively edited MSNBC one that tries to make him sound racist. They were sued over that.

Next up, Lean. Trayvon had openly discussed various recipes for Lean (AKA Purple Drank, Sizzurp, etc) and specifically said he has tried it with Codeine cough syrup (while objecting to someone suggesting pills). It’s usually Sprite with Jolly Ranchers and Codeine/DXM cough syrup but it has morphed to Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail and Skittles:
http://boards.cannabis.com/threads/watermelon-drank.91450/

Obviously, we can only speculate that he was getting these for Lean, but he was definitely a Lean user/abuser since at least 2011 and he happened to have the only two ingredients a convenience store would sell to him. It could be coincidence, but the fact that it wasn’t sweet tea (despite being told it was hundreds of times) should be enough to shake your trust in media.

Trayvon and his friends had public Facebook and Twitter exchanges from 2011 where they discussed “fire ass Lean.” Trayvon openly asked for a “connect” for Codeine and one of his friends suggested DXM cough syrup as a substitute.

Trayvon’s public Twitter post up to December 2011:
https://www.scribd.com/document/87133624/Trayvon-Martin-s-T33ZY-TAUGHT-M3-Tweets-The-Daily-Caller
Trayvon’s public Twitter posts from 2012:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/86809463/Trayvon-Martin-s-NO-LIMIT-awesome dude-Tweets-The-Daily-Caller
The Facebook messages, Gmail, etc accounts were obtained by white supremacist hacker “klanklannon” and posted with the password to 4chan, but the thread is gone. He also posted to a white supremacist forum I’d rather not link to. Luckily, it’s confirmed and well-reported in other media. Some, like Gawker, even used the public passwords provided by the hacker to log themselves in.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/white-supremacist-trayvon-martin-email_n_1389584.html
This is also how his private Tweets were leaked.

My source for “reportedly appeared high,” “looking at each house,” and “break-in two weeks earlier” is, of course, Zimmerman’s 911 transcript/recording which you may reject due to your existing bias. Hopefully we’re past that now.

Maybe you don’t believe me about him being suspended for vulgar graffiti/vandalism, a “burglary tool,” and presumably stolen property (women’s watch/jewelry):
http://archive.boston.com/news/nati...ice_investigated_trayvon_martin_over_jewelry/

Though the DXM/Codeine abuse has been poorly researched until recent years, I can get you several sources for those effects too, but I particularly like this one:
“DXM ... can also turn you into a paranoid, antisocial asshole.”
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_faq.shtml

The author has been called the world’s foremost expert on recreational DXM use/abuse.

Zimmerman’s injuries are well-documented but they weren’t shared with the public until days/weeks of the media’s “without a scratch” narrative. Indeed, police photos show the lacerations on top of his head with streaks of dried blood running down the back and behind his ears. You can even see the nose injury:
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-zimmermans-injuries/2/

After the shooting Zimmerman was detained the rest of the night despite mobs of angry people insisting that they didn’t even question him. The police even tried to get a warrant. Trayvon’s own father said "All I know is that my son was carried away in a body bag, and Zimmerman was left to go and shower and sleep in his bed.” Zimmerman did not get to go home that night. The police report was finished around 3AM but some reports say Zimmerman was allowed to leave around 1AM:
https://www.webcitation.org/6IDic8e...012/04/Twin-Lakes-Shooting-Initial-Report.pdf

Zimmerman arrived at the video in “custody” exactly as I said (note: brought in a police car; escorted in handcuffs):
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/sanford-police-release-full-video-of-george-zimmerman

If he didn’t have a scratch and the police didn’t force him he would have freely driven himself, obviously.

“Zimmerman was interviewed at least three times and gave a videotaped statement and a walk-through of what happened.”
...and...
“Although police publicly said there was no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman, it was later revealed that early on investigators did request an arrest warrant from the state attorney's office”
https://www.tampabay.com/news/publi...appened-the-night-trayvon-martin-died/1223083

“On February 26th, the night Martin was killed, police questioned Zimmerman for five hours at police headquarters. The police report noted Zimmerman was ‘bleeding from the nose and the back of the head.’”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-happened-right-after-trayvon-martins-shooting/

Hey: You asked me to elaborate.
 
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UglyCasanova

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Still professing his innocence. I wonder if the rest of the cast is buying it

https://www.tmz.com/2019/02/21/jussie-smollett-empire-cast-apology-leaves-set/

Jussie Smollett is begging his "Empire" family to believe he's innocent and continue supporting him -- even as the drama of his arrest postponed a scene Thursday in Chicago.

Sources on the "Empire" set tell us the cast and crew were waiting at least 30 minutes for Jussie to begin the scheduled scene. When he eventually showed his face he was very emotional, and surrounded by his family.

We're told he addressed everyone on set, saying ..."I’m sorry I’ve put you all through this and not answered any calls. I wanted to say I’m sorry and, you know me, I would never do this to any of you, you are my family. I swear to God, I did not do this.”
 

HomerJS

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I was thinking more along the lines of we have this secret document and it has some bad stuff about Trump in it.
What's your evidence? The Russians.
If you are referring to that dossier, how much of it has been disproven?? The dossier compiled by a former British special agent?
 

jackstar7

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The one where Zimmerman was not justified and Trayvon was murdered by a racist.

There is not a single scrap of evidence that Zimmerman is a racist and a preponderance of evidence the he is not. He was raised with two black children. He invited black people to stay in his home. His black neighbors said he was the only neighbor to introduce himself. His black coworkers have come out to say he doesn’t but have a racist bone in his body. He campaigned against the Sanford police department until they brought charges on the police chief’s son for mistreating a black homeless man. He’s even a minority’s himself.

...and he voted for Obama.

What kind of person did you think he was?


Too lazy to read the court transcripts for yourself?

You haven’t even told me what parts you disagree with.

I guess I’ll just have to infer the parts you don’t believe.

First, I said it wasn’t sweet tea. It wasn’t:
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2013/06/trayvon-martin-death-photos-shown-zimmerman-trial.html

Next, I said he made it home before going back to confront Zimmerman. The timeline shows plenty of time to travel home and back and his girlfriend, Jeantel, testified in court that Trayvon went home first. If you can’t be bothered to find and read the transcripts, here is one relevant part:

WEST: Right. At that point he [Trayvon] decided to approach this man and say, why are you following me?
JEANTEL: Yes, sir.
WEST: And he could have just run home if he wasn't there.
JEANTEL: He was already by his house. He told me.

Trayvon made it home then went back to confront Zimmerman. This is 100% in-line with the 911 call where Zimmerman loses sight and complies they tell him they don’t need him to follow. Listen to the call or read the transcripts yourself. You can even hear his breathing and the wind change as he stops running/trying to keep up.

Next, I said that Zimmerman was on the ground having his head bashed into the sidewalk. Multiple witnesses reported seeing this, though only John Good and Zimmerman himself was able to say who was on top.

Again, you don’t have to believe either of them, since the physical evidence says the same thing. Zimmerman’s bloody lacerations, the grass stains, the blows to his face, the place Trayvon’s body fell back to, etc.

Injuries:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zi...heds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532

If this is all hard for you to accept, it shouldn’t be. You’ve been lied to. You should expect an agenda from every news story you read. Once you accept just how easily the media distorts reality, you will never be so gullible again.

One common misconception is that the police told Zimmerman not to follow and that he ignored their direct order. In reality, he immediately stopped pursuing Trayvon even though they did not order him to stop and it was 911 dispatch (not the same). Though 911 dispatch/operators are often police, they are not assumed to be. If they tell you not to do something it does not carry the same weight as a uniformed police officer giving you an order. Their actual words were “we don’t need you to do that,” which isn’t at all the same as saying “stop” or “don’t do that.” It’s to limit their liabilities so you can’t sue them if you get hurt (you can’t claim that they needed/encouraged you to put yourself at risk).

From the 911 operator himself:
“We’re directly liable if we give a direct order,”
“We always try to give general basic . . . not commands, just suggestions.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...145e2994a55_story.html?utm_term=.19122dfc6732
(check out the rest of that article too)

As if to make all of that irrelevant anyway, he answered “OK” and immediately returned to the street to meet with an officer. You can find the recording and transcript easily... just stay away from that deceptively edited MSNBC one that tries to make him sound racist. They were sued over that.

Next up, Lean. Trayvon had openly discussed various recipes for Lean (AKA Purple Drank, Sizzurp, etc) and specifically said he has tried it with Codeine cough syrup (while objecting to someone suggesting pills). It’s usually Sprite with Jolly Ranchers and Codeine/DXM cough syrup but it has morphed to Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail and Skittles:
http://boards.cannabis.com/threads/watermelon-drank.91450/

Obviously, we can only speculate that he was getting these for Lean, but he was definitely a Lean user/abuser since at least 2011 and he happened to have the only two ingredients a convenience store would sell to him. It could be coincidence, but the fact that it wasn’t sweet tea (despite being told it was hundreds of times) should be enough to shake your trust in media.

Trayvon and his friends had public Facebook and Twitter exchanges from 2011 where they discussed “fire ass Lean.” Trayvon openly asked for a “connect” for Codeine and one of his friends suggested DXM cough syrup as a substitute.

Trayvon’s public Twitter post up to December 2011:
https://www.scribd.com/document/87133624/Trayvon-Martin-s-T33ZY-TAUGHT-M3-Tweets-The-Daily-Caller
Trayvon’s public Twitter posts from 2012:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/86809463/Trayvon-Martin-s-NO-LIMIT-awesome dude-Tweets-The-Daily-Caller
The Facebook messages, Gmail, etc accounts were obtained by white supremacist hacker “klanklannon” and posted with the password to 4chan, but the thread is gone. He also posted to a white supremacist forum I’d rather not link to. Luckily, it’s confirmed and well-reported in other media. Some, like Gawker, even used the public passwords provided by the hacker to log themselves in.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/white-supremacist-trayvon-martin-email_n_1389584.html
This is also how his private Tweets were leaked.

My source for “reportedly appeared high,” “looking at each house,” and “break-in two weeks earlier” is, of course, Zimmerman’s 911 transcript/recording which you may reject due to your existing bias. Hopefully we’re past that now.

Maybe you don’t believe me about him being suspended for vulgar graffiti/vandalism, a “burglary tool,” and presumably stolen property (women’s watch/jewelry):
http://archive.boston.com/news/nati...ice_investigated_trayvon_martin_over_jewelry/

Though the DXM/Codeine abuse has been poorly researched until recent years, I can get you several sources for those effects too, but I particularly like this one:
“DXM ... can also turn you into a paranoid, antisocial asshole.”
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_faq.shtml

The author has been called the world’s foremost expert on recreational DXM use/abuse.

Zimmerman’s injuries are well-documented but they weren’t shared with the public until days/weeks of the media’s “without a scratch” narrative. Indeed, police photos show the lacerations on top of his head with streaks of dried blood running down the back and behind his ears. You can even see the nose injury:
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/george-zimmermans-injuries/2/

After the shooting Zimmerman was detained the rest of the night despite mobs of angry people insisting that they didn’t even question him. The police even tried to get a warrant. Trayvon’s own father said "All I know is that my son was carried away in a body bag, and Zimmerman was left to go and shower and sleep in his bed.” Zimmerman did not get to go home that night. He was let go around 1AM the following day but he police report was finished another two hours later:
https://www.webcitation.org/6IDic8e...012/04/Twin-Lakes-Shooting-Initial-Report.pdf

Zimmerman arrived at the video in handcuffs:
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/sanford-police-release-full-video-of-george-zimmerman

“Zimmerman was interviewed at least three times and gave a videotaped statement and a walk-through of what happened.”
...and...
“Although police publicly said there was no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman, it was later revealed that early on investigators did request an arrest warrant from the state attorney's office”
https://www.tampabay.com/news/publi...appened-the-night-trayvon-martin-died/1223083

“On February 26th, the night Martin was killed, police questioned Zimmerman for five hours at police headquarters. The police report noted Zimmerman was ‘bleeding from the nose and the back of the head.’”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-happened-right-after-trayvon-martins-shooting/

Hey: You asked me to elaborate.
It's interesting that you bring all this when the simplest facts are that Zimmerman was told not to engage, did, and Trayvon Martin is dead by gunshot and the gun belonged to Zimmerman.

The facts lead me to believe that Zimmerman wasn't guilty of Second Degree murder. I do not think he was innocent and the reality is that the scene wasn't tenable for good evidence collection, so the only real evidence was that of Zimmerman's testimony/credibility.

But it sure looks like you have a blog you can copy+paste from, so if you want to give a direct link to that, seems like it would be a time-saver in the future.
 
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CZroe

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It's interesting that you bring all this when the simplest facts are that Zimmerman was told not to engage, did, and Trayvon Martin is dead by gunshot and the gun belonged to Zimmerman.
False. They never told him not to engage. They asked (important distinction) him not to follow and *GASP* he immediately agreed!

Guess it wasn’t so important after all, but let’s continue as if he didn’t immediately agree. Here’s this inconvenient truth again:

“The Washington Post” said:
[Myth number] 1. On the night of the shooting, the police ordered Zimmerman to stay in his vehicle.

“Are you following him?” the operator for the Sanford police’s non-emergency line asks Zimmerman. “Yeah,” he says. The dispatcher on the phone tells him: “We don’t need you to do that.”

...

Those who fault Zimmerman have latched on to this back-and-forth with Sean Noffke, the operator, as proof that Zimmerman defied a direct police order.

Not so. Noffke testified on the first day of the jury trial that it is dispatchers’ policy not to give orders to callers. “We’re directly liable if we give a direct order,” he explained. “We always try to give general basic . . . not commands, just suggestions.” So, “We don’t need you to do that” is different than a more direct “Don’t do that.”

Under cross-examination, Noffke added more context to his “suggestion” when asked whether his requests for updates on what Martin was doing encouraged Zimmerman to follow the unarmed 17-year-old. “It’s best to avoid any kind of confrontation, to just get away from the situation,” Noffke said

Again: Zimmerman *IMMEDIATELY* said “OK” when they said they didn’t need him to do that (follow Trayvon). Don’t take my word for it:

You are shamelessly delusional if you continue believing the blatant lie that Zimmerman continued chasing Trayvon and “engaged” him at all, and even more wrong if you think the police specifically ordered him not to. Even Trayvon’s own girlfriend testified that he made it home, called her back, and then went to confront Zimmerman. Zimmerman’s own breathing and the wind noise in the 911 recording reveals that he stopped chasing exactly as he agreed to verbally.

It was laughable that anyone ever thought that in the first place since it’s the exact opposite of what you hear in the 911 call. It’s even more ridiculous that you continue believing it now with absolutely ZERO reason.

You were lied to. You know it and yet you continue believing the lie. Something is seriously wrong with you.
 
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