The Jussie Smollett Affair

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nutxo

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Poor guy. He is gonna be nothing but a punchline in a joke now. Lotta butt sex where he's going. Figuratively speaking, they need to hang this mother fucker.
 

jackstar7

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Jun 26, 2009
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So, you’re basically admitting that you can’t tolerate or accept hard truth if it isn’t presented how you want to hear it. Facts are facts, buttercup. The kid gloves came off when you proved you’d rather double-down on the lie than admit that you fell for it.

This is for you:
https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe
Clearly, you made Zimmerman’s guilt a core belief and your pinky toe is screaming “DON’T DISRESPECT MY BELIEFS.”

I gave you everything you asked for. Instead of acknowledging truth and getting upset with the people who manipulated you into believing this lie for several years, you took the lazy way out and rejected reality. You distrusted my explanation when I elaborated and demanded more only to throw all of my good-faith effort back in my face and go on deluding yourself. I was prepared to respect you for changing your mind and learning from this, but then you squandered that. Now you expect me to have been more civil after you baselessly reject all of the work I did at your request. That’s rich!

No matter. If you can’t accept my example then I will make an example of you for everyone else. You are only making my case regarding the public’s tendency for willful self-delusion to accept race-baiting lies.

If it’s just a name in a list insinuating that people got it wrong, you demand elaboration. If it’s elaborated on with just the facts, you demand sources and explanations. If it’s sourced with explanations when presented again, you insult me and hand-wave it and dismiss the personal effort as being the work of some blog with an agenda (lie), then double down on the most laughable and easily disproven point of all. We’re onto your game.

Instead of being angry at the race-bating liars, you weren’t even ashamed to go on claiming that Zimmerman continued to pursue. If you are going to be their tool and keep perpetuating their lies just to avoid admitting you were wrong, you’d better believe I’m going to press you on that. You had an out and you didn’t take it. Ya blew it. The chance for civility has passed and you’re still entrenched with your core belief so I feel you deserve any ridicule you get for it at this point. I see it as a deterrent for anyone who might stubbornly follow in your footsteps.

Not only is it incorrect that they ordered him not to follow (“don’t need” is not the same as “don’t”), it’s 100% indisputable that he immediately said “OK” and stopped following. Yes, I said 100%. Stop lecturing me on how disgusted you are with my certitude and tell me how you sleep at night with your shameful certainty that Zimmerman isn’t innocent. Your core belief was wrong and everything else you thought you understood with that context needs to be re-evaluated. Good luck.

He lost Trayvon and said “OK” when they “asked” him to stop. He gave directions to meet at his vehicle by the mailboxes and stopped giving them his address when he realized that Trayvon could be listening nearby. He openly expressed this concern to the operator, saying he didn’t want to give all of his address out since he didn’t know where Trayvon was. The concern was obviously that he could get ambushed/intercepted at home. Listen to it again or read the transcript and tell me where I’m wrong.

Zimmerman lost Trayvon and agreed to give up pursuit the moment they said they didn’t need him to do that. Obviously, his concerns about being ambushed were justified too. There is absolutely no excuse for continuing to dig your heels in on this. You lost.

Gullible people who reject reality to support the narrative are the reason people like Smollett think they can manipulate us all and get away with it. They are the root of the problem. You can choose to stop this or you can go on being an enabler.

Smollett didn’t get away with it but the lying outrage-peddlers demonizing Zimmerman and others on that list sure did. For some inexplicable reason you chose to continue enabling it right here in front of everyone. It’s not too late: Accept Reality. Admit you were wrong. Correct those who continue perpetuating lies like this and call out the ones who stubbornly refuse. Be more aware of this when you see it in the future. Don’t shoot the messenger just because your pride was hurt. Stop being their tool. You will have earned our respect.

Before you ask, here’s the relevant part of the transcript that shows Zimmerman agreed to stop following, stopped following, lost Trayvon, arranged to meet the police at his truck, didn’t know where Trayvon was, and expressed concern with Trayvon sneaking back and overhearing his address:
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Dispatcher: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yeah.

Dispatcher: OK. We don't need you to do that.

Zimmerman: OK.

Dispatcher: Alright, sir, what is your name?

Zimmerman: George. ... He ran.

Dispatcher: Alright George what's your last name?

Zimmerman: Zimmerman.

Dispatcher: ...and George what's the phone number you're calling from?

Zimmerman: 407-435-2400.

Dispatcher: Alright George we do have ‘em on the way. Do you want to meet with the
officer when they get out there?


Zimmerman: Yeah.

Dispatcher: Alright where’re you going to meet with them at?

Zimmerman: If they come in through the, uh, gate, tell them to go straight past the
club house, and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they
go past the mailboxes. You’ll see my truck.

Dispatcher: OK. Wha- what address are you parked in front of?

Zimmerman: I don't know, it's a cut-through so I don't know the address.

Dispatcher: OK. Do you live in the area?

Zimmerman: Yeah, yeah, I-

Dispatcher: What's your apartment number?

Zimmerman: It's a home it's 1950-oh crap I don't want to give it all out. I don't know where this kid is.

Dispatcher: OK do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes then?

Zimmerman: Yeah that's fine.

Dispatcher: Alright George, I'll let them know to meet you-with y’out there OK?

Zimmerman: Actually could you have them- could you have them call me and I'll tell them where I'm at?

Dispatcher: OK, yeah that's no problem.

Zimmerman: Give you my number or you got it?

Dispatcher: Yeah I got it 407-435-2400

Zimmerman: Yeah you got it.

Dispatcher: OK no problem, I'll let them know to call you when they're in the area.
I get it. He's not guilty of murder, which I stated.

My question to you: do you think Martin was guilty?
 

jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V.
I'm going to cop to basically being triggered by your opinions on how people react to initial reports of various crimes.

I've been reading several people here and elsewhere making a huge deal about false reports, rape accusations, and the like and inflating the extent to which those are problems vs. actual rape, actual hate crimes, etc., and I was conflating your position with theirs and I took your bait.

I hope you have a worthwhile weekend.
 

Ackmed

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Oct 1, 2003
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Real consequences for hoax crimes.

Getting beaten up for having a sign that says, "Hate Crime Hoaxes Hurt Real Victims". Something that is 100% true. People will be less likely to come forward, and less likely to be believed. But free speech? Not when it goes against what the left wants to project. Not to mention the guy who got a gun pulled on him while shopping for wearing a maga hat, or the women getting assaulted in a restaurant minding her own business. Time after time we see the deplorable side of the left, while blaming the right for it. They deserved it, had it coming, they're breeding hate, etc. Same old excuses. A good look in the mirror would do wonders.
 
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CZroe

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I get it. He's not guilty of murder, which I stated.
You were mincing your words though, since you qualified that with a very specific murder charge and then immediately followed that with “I do not think [Zimmerman] was innocent.” It was the same post where you doubled-down on the idea that he was told not to pursue but did anyway. This put us right back at square one.

“I do not think he was innocent” is the kind of open bias that brought us here in the first place with the media, public, and the Justice Department pressuring local cops to prosecute an innocent man... based on a feeling/assumption.

My question to you: do you think Martin was guilty?
Guilty of assault? Yes. Absolutely. No bias or trust in a particular witness is required, since all the physical and recorded evidence strongly supports this. Guilty of threatening to kill Zimmerman? It may be impossible to prove but all the evidence shows that Zimmerman was genuinely being attacked and feared for his life. We don’t have to accept that Trayvon actually said “you’re going to die tonight” or anything like that but there’s also no reason to explicitly doubt it. There’s plenty of reason to doubt that Zimmerman shot him out of racial prejudice, which is the narrative so many want even without a scrap of supporting evidence. Occam’s Razor applies here.

I'm going to cop to basically being triggered by your opinions on how people react to initial reports of various crimes.
Thanks. I fully expected some would still believe the false narrative about some of those names, which is why I listed them. Hoped it would be a teachable moment.

Thing is, it isn’t purely a rebuke of how people react to reports, it’s how those reports are presented in the first place. The lens of distortion started when the media decided to report this as a white man killing an unarmed black boy. Minds were already made up. Those were the only relevant details for their intended audience.

I've been reading several people here and elsewhere making a huge deal about false reports, rape accusations, and the like and inflating the extent to which those are problems vs. actual rape, actual hate crimes, etc., and I was conflating your position with theirs and I took your bait.

I hope you have a worthwhile weekend.
For the last year I’ve been getting hounded by hundreds of people who think I made a hoax (viral video incident) when all the evidence supports me and the police report verifies everything. Many people think I made a false police report as an April Fools prank, but that’s simply not true. I wasn’t even a victim, so I understand it’s much worse for a victim to have this problem. Still, I strongly believe in the principle of “innocent until proven guilty.”

Witch hunts are not the American way, and yet the Trayvon Martin case was definitely a witch hunt. People couldn’t accept it when it was over and Zimmerman was found innocent which is why the Justice Department was digging for civil charges... then “Appleperson” (I refuse to say his real name) stalked him and created a hoax to justify shooting at him. *sigh* That’s the country we live in today.

True victims deserve to be believed but belief alone cannot be enough to condemn someone. That’s the distinction the outrage mob usually ignores which enables them to be manipulated by hoaxes.
 
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FelixDeCat

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Real consequences for hoax crimes.

Getting beaten up for having a sign that says, "Hate Crime Hoaxes Hurt Real Victims". Something that is 100% true. People will be less likely to come forward, and less likely to be believed. But free speech? Not when it goes against what the left wants to project. Not to mention the guy who got a gun pulled on him while shopping for wearing a maga hat, or the women getting assaulted in a restaurant minding her own business. Time after time we see the deplorable side of the left, while blaming the right for it. They deserved it, had it coming, they're breeding hate, etc. Same old excuses. A good look in the mirror would do wonders.

lol
 
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brycejones

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Oct 18, 2005
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Yeah but the left doesnt care about the truth. They were so ready to get "Justice for Jussie".

Now that mean Chicago police chief is going to give Jussie some justice by throwing his ass in jail for 3-5 years. Heck, he might even get a pay raise to 15 cents per hour serving balogne sandwiches to fellow inmates.

Unfortunately his 15 cents per hour will go back to the city of Chicago to pay for his hoax crime.


LOL


Zzzzzzzzzz
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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I doubt jussie will see any inside time.
He might do a few days in a rehab since he's decided to use a drug problem defense.
If he plays his cards right he can come out of this as a survivor, a victim of the drug culture in the US. Start up a non profit, do a few interviews, talk about the shame of the ordeal. He could be a hero in two years.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Trump supporters should root for Jussie. We know how they like liars who make up wild accusations, without any evidence and still come out on top.
 
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Pshaw. The left has been inventing fake MAGA attacks for some time now, all the while attacking anyone wearing a the hat. Even poor teenagers.




He must be made an example of. The city of Chicago demands it!

Yeah, we should find all the criminals who take advantage of being gay to slander MAGA. We can stand outside their houses and yell at them. Then before the election we can round them up and jail them. If we need more room we’ll have them work clearing forests or land for more houses. Hard labor will teach them a lesson about work & value. We can send them there in trains & trucks. Shouldn’t need many guards since the camps will be out in the woods. Nobody will be nearby to see their gay stuff.




#MAGA


#sarcasm dummies
 

jmagg

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He might do a few days in a rehab since he's decided to use a drug problem defense.
If he plays his cards right he can come out of this as a survivor, a victim of the drug culture in the US. Start up a non profit, do a few interviews, talk about the shame of the ordeal. He could be a hero in two years.

And how not a grain of it came over the southern border, roger.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Pshaw. The left has been inventing fake MAGA attacks for some time now, all the while attacking anyone wearing a the hat. Even poor teenagers.




He must be made an example of. The city of Chicago demands it! At a minimum he should get one year in the big house making balogne sandwiches and then spend the next two years picking up trash on Windy City sidewalks. Finally, he needs to repay every penny he stole from taxpayers for this hoax crime.
Did you get Obama's Kenyan birth certificate.

Go ahead and keep calling for selective justice. Difference between you and me, I want justice across the board. I don't wany ANYONE making these kinds of fake claims.

You are a hypocrite.
 

Greenman

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Proof proves nothing for some.
So? I'm not getting the point here.
Smollett might get a few days in the can. It's my opinion that he'll be able to make himself into a victim (again) and regain his lost credibility. I don't see where the drugs coming from play into that.
A rich guy hijacked a real problem for personal gain. He wanted to be the hero of the down trodden and make a profit from it. He'll double down for sure.
 

jmagg

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Nov 21, 2001
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So? I'm not getting the point here.
Smollett might get a few days in the can. It's my opinion that he'll be able to make himself into a victim (again) and regain his lost credibility. I don't see where the drugs coming from play into that.
A rich guy hijacked a real problem for personal gain. He wanted to be the hero of the down trodden and make a profit from it. He'll double down for sure.


I doubt he will gain credibility by anyone but the loudest minority, but probation and ahem financial reparations would be my guess.
 
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