The Jussie Smollett Affair

[CZroe]

Who went looking for who first??

Better question:
Who physically assaulted who first?

Go ahead and keep calling for selective justice. Difference between you and me, I want justice across the board. I don't wany ANYONE making these kinds of fake claims.

You are a hypocrite.

Didn’t you just try to defend Trayvon for assaulting Zimmerman by insinuating that Zimmerman looking for him was somehow wrong?

You are a hypocrite.

 

[jackstar7]

Didn’t you just try to defend Trayvon for assaulting Zimmerman by insinuating that Zimmerman looking for him was somehow wrong?

You're taking something complicated and trying to make it fit a more simple right/wrong paradigm (rather than a legal/illegal paradigm) and that's an issue.

Both parties in that situation were wrong in varying ways.

You get what I'm saying? Or no?

Following the law doesn't inherently mean right or just.

 

[HomerJS]

Better question:
Who physically assaulted who first?


Didn’t you just try to defend Trayvon for assaulting Zimmerman by insinuating that Zimmerman looking for him was somehow wrong?

You are a hypocrite.

I asked a question who stalked who first. You could have just answered the question.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Pshaw. The left has been inventing fake MAGA attacks for some time now, all the while attacking anyone wearing a the hat. Even poor teenagers.




He must be made an example of. The city of Chicago demands it! At a minimum he should get one year in the big house making balogne sandwiches and then spend the next two years picking up trash on Windy City sidewalks. Finally, he needs to repay every penny he stole from taxpayers for this hoax crime.

Oh dear. Trump defenders are so incredibly lost in their dissonance its sad! And now a straw man "left" who invents fake MAGA attacks (whatever that means).

China is responsible for the global warming hoax. Fact. Trump says so.

 

[CZroe]

I asked a question who stalked who first. You could have just answered the question.

Oh! So now Zimmerman “stalked” the kid.

What you did was express your ignorance first and open yourself up for correction, critique, and/or ridicule.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with what Zimmerman did before he was assaulted and you should be ashamed to suggest otherwise. Trayvon, on the other hand, was trespassing between private residences on his way home which gave Zimmerman every reason to be suspicious and call the police. You couldn’t even call it a shortcut because he left the store so much earlier he could have gone home and back several times by that point. He was meandering despite the rain. This obviously warrants suspicion.

We know he purposely went looking for the Zman.

Who went looking for who first??

Better question:
Who physically assaulted who first?

brandonbull obviously wasn’t talking about stalking. He was talking about the fact that Trayvon went looking to confront Zimmerman. Zimmerman clearly had no intention to confront Trayvon and only tried to maintain a visual for directing the police until they said they didn’t need him to do that. If you call setting out from safety to find and confront “stalking” then, yes, Trayvon was the first to “stalk.”

It must be hard being as allergic to the truth as you seem to be.

 

[CZroe]

You're taking something complicated and trying to make it fit a more simple right/wrong paradigm (rather than a legal/illegal paradigm) and that's an issue.

Both parties in that situation were wrong in varying ways.

That incorrect assumption is very likely what led people to all the other demonstrably wrong assumptions about the case. Zimmerman had done absolutely nothing wrong at the point when he was assaulted by Trayvon. There is no reason to pretend it’s more complicated than it was... except to excuse our knee-jerk reactions that turned out to be wrong.

Trayvon’s behavior warranted the call to the police and demonstrated Zimmerman’s need for protection.

Zimmerman was not only lawful in every action, he also complied with the police even where he didn’t have to.

Also, HomerJS’ was the one claiming that he wants equal justice whether the perpetrators are people he agrees with or not, so clearly he’s talking about legal/illegal too. He basically contradicted himself with one previous post.

 

[sandorski]

That incorrect assumption is very likely what led people to all the other demonstrably wrong assumptions about the case. Zimmerman had done absolutely nothing wrong at the point when he was assaulted by Trayvon. There is no reason to pretend it’s more complicated than it was... except to excuse our knee-jerk reactions that turned out to be wrong.

Trayvon’s behavior warranted the call to the police and demonstrated Zimmerman’s need for protection.

Zimmerman was not only lawful in every action, he also complied with the police even where he didn’t have to.

Also, HomerJS’ was the one claiming that he wants equal justice whether the perpetrators are people he agrees with or not, so clearly he’s talking about legal/illegal too. He basically contradicted himself with one previous post.

WTF dude.

 

[BUTCH1]

That incorrect assumption is very likely what led people to all the other demonstrably wrong assumptions about the case. Zimmerman had done absolutely nothing wrong at the point when he was assaulted by Trayvon. There is no reason to pretend it’s more complicated than it was... except to excuse our knee-jerk reactions that turned out to be wrong.

Trayvon’s behavior warranted the call to the police and demonstrated Zimmerman’s need for protection.

Zimmerman was not only lawful in every action, he also complied with the police even where he didn’t have to.

Also, HomerJS’ was the one claiming that he wants equal justice whether the perpetrators are people he agrees with or not, so clearly he’s talking about legal/illegal too. He basically contradicted himself with one previous post.

No, Zimmerman did not comply with the 911 operator, she clearly said "we don't need you to do that" as Z left his vehicle to follow Trayyon. You call Trayyon's behavior "suspicious" but how would you expect a teen to react to someone following driving at a crawl following him down the street?. Remember, we only got one side of the story as to who initiated the confrontation and if Z had simply went home after obviously scaring this teen no one would have died that night.

 

[Ichinisan]

No, Zimmerman did not comply with the 911 operator, she clearly said "we don't need you to do that" as Z left his vehicle to follow Trayyon. You call Trayyon's behavior "suspicious" but how would you expect a teen to react to someone following driving at a crawl following him down the street?. Remember, we only got one side of the story as to who initiated the confrontation and if Z had simply went home after obviously scaring this teen no one would have died that night.

Fucking read goddamnit.

Listen to the 911 recording.

 

[realibrad]

No, Zimmerman did not comply with the 911 operator, she clearly said "we don't need you to do that" as Z left his vehicle to follow Trayyon. You call Trayyon's behavior "suspicious" but how would you expect a teen to react to someone following driving at a crawl following him down the street?. Remember, we only got one side of the story as to who initiated the confrontation and if Z had simply went home after obviously scaring this teen no one would have died that night.

From the call, your response does not seem to fit what happened. The dispatcher said he did not need to follow, and he responded with okay. They then went over where the cops would meet Zimmerman which clearly meant that he would have to stop following the suspect. How could they meet in a predefined place is he was following someone?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Oh! So now Zimmerman “stalked” the kid.

What you did was express your ignorance first and open yourself up for correction, critique, and/or ridicule.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with what Zimmerman did before he was assaulted and you should be ashamed to suggest otherwise. Trayvon, on the other hand, was trespassing between private residences on his way home which gave Zimmerman every reason to be suspicious and call the police. You couldn’t even call it a shortcut because he left the store so much earlier he could have gone home and back several times by that point. He was meandering despite the rain. This obviously warrants suspicion.


brandonbull obviously wasn’t talking about stalking. He was talking about Trayvon went looking to confront Zimmerman. Zimmerman clearly had no intention to confront Trayvon and only tried to maintain a visual for directing the police until they said they didn’t need him to do that.

It must be hard being as allergic to the truth as you seem to be.

Next time I see someone rummaging through my car in the driveway I'll make sure not to look - I wouldn't want to be accused of stalking.

WTF dude.

"WTF dude" is in no way an argument to any of his multiple (valid) points.

 

[Greenman]

Why are we arguing about the Zimmerman trial? I'm pretty sure we can predict the outcome at this point in the proceedings.

 

[Jaskalas]

Why are we arguing about the Zimmerman trial? I'm pretty sure we can predict the outcome at this point in the proceedings.

The original topic was not... lengthy enough. We can go further!

I mean, people feel very strongly about self defense. And whether a person may do anything at all to, even unexpectedly, place themselves in danger. Plus some of the evidence that came to light during the trial was MONTHS after people had already made up their minds about a cute little 12 year old baby being mercilessly chased and gunned down by a bloodthirsty z-man.

Thanks to the media's propaganda, some people still think it was a Stand Your Ground case. And that's controversial.

It's a complete mess of highly charged feelings VS facts. A good demonstration of how feelings are impervious to facts.

 

[CZroe]

Why are we arguing about the Zimmerman trial? I'm pretty sure we can predict the outcome at this point in the proceedings.

Because this post triggered people who were still delusional about it:

Ahmed Mohammed
Michael Brown
Trayvon Martin
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Duke Lacrosse team
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Richard Jewell
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Tawana Brawley
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Ty freakin’ Cobb

This rush to judgement and assume the worst/most sensational isn’t a “recent” thing. Considering how many people still delude themselves over some of those names up there where the truth did eventually come out, there’s no telling how many cases we continue to believe where it doesn’t.

Instead of chomping at the bit for examples that confirm our bias about how bad America still is in 2019, how about we step back, acknowledge that it’s 2019, and then consider how likely it really is for 2019.

Of course racism still exists in 2019, but do incidents like Jussie described really happen with regularity? Is it perhaps hyperbole to suggest that racists are routinely doing things like dragging black men behind their pickup truck in order to claim something like this is inherently believable in 2019?

Remembering that it’s 2019 should give anyone a healthy dose of skepticism for a story like his. You don’t have to immediately conclude that it’s false and come out saying so. Just take it with a grain of salt and don’t start calling for action without meeting some burden of proof. This “always believe the victim” mentality is setting all victimized classes up for this kind of exploitation.

No, Zimmerman did not comply with the 911 operator, she clearly said "we don't need you to do that" as Z left his vehicle to follow Trayyon. You call Trayyon's behavior "suspicious" but how would you expect a teen to react to someone following driving at a crawl following him down the street?. Remember, we only got one side of the story as to who initiated the confrontation and if Z had simply went home after obviously scaring this teen no one would have died that night.

Wow.

Zimmerman immediately agreed not to follow, loses Trayvon, expresses concern that Trayvon may ambush him at home if he gives the operator his address since he doesn’t know where Trayvon is (may overhear), arranges to meet the police, and gets attacked one minute later on his way back to the truck... but somehow you think that Zimmerman continued following Trayvon and could have avoided it at that point. That’s ridiculous.

You have quite the imagination when all recorded evidence suggest the opposite. That’s a sick and shameful level of delusion right there and it’s exactly what I’ve been confronting in this thread.

...and, no, we don’t have to rely on Zimmerman’s account to know that Trayvon’s behavior was suspicious. He left the store at 6:24 but was noticed around the clubhouse meandering in the rain at 7:09. That’s 53 minutes to travel 0.6 miles in the rain while supposedly taking a “shortcut” through people’s yards. Zimmerman thought it was strange that the kid was wandering around in the rain and the timeline shows that he was. You can see that for yourself with no need to rely on Zimmerman’s statement but you’d prefer to wave it off and assume that there is no other evidence to support it.

I know you don’t want to accept Zimmerman’s account, but he specifically described a behavior consistent with the timeline when he said Trayvon “looked high” and seemed to be checking out each house.

Next, you baselessly say that everything would have been fine if Zimmerman would have just gone home after scaring Trayvon even though all the evidence says you are wrong. Trayvon went to his dad’s fiance’s home for whatever reason and then immediately came back to look for Zimmerman. The confrontation happened one minute after the call to the police ended and Zimmerman’s house was much further away than Trayvon’s. Additionally, Zimmerman needed to go back for his vehicle.

It’s very likely that Zimmerman planned to go home exactly as you baselessly say would have saved Trayvon’s life. He was, after all, in the middle of giving the police his address when he expressed concern with Trayvon overhearing and asked police to simply call back for the current address/location when they arrived. If he had made it home he would have directed them to his home but, again, Trayvon ambushed him a minute after the call to the police ended... before he even got back to his vehicle.

 

[VRAMdemon]

No need for this thread....Ann Coulter: All hate crimes are hoaxes.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...es-are-hoaxes?

 

[brandonbull]

Who went looking for who first??

Zman saw a suspicious person and reported them to the police. Wasn't he part of the neighborhood watch?

 

[zinfamous]

Why are we arguing about the Zimmerman trial? I'm pretty sure we can predict the outcome at this point in the proceedings.

I guess because the original 500+ page nonsense thread wasn't enough?

 

[CZroe]

I guess because the original 500+ page nonsense thread wasn't enough?

Demonstrably not, considering the people who were still delusional enough about it to get triggered by including that name my post... and the subsequent people triggered by the facts when those were demanded of and presented by me.

Honestly, I was hoping someone would ask me to explain Ty Cobb.

 

[Paladin3]

You're taking something complicated and trying to make it fit a more simple right/wrong paradigm (rather than a legal/illegal paradigm) and that's an issue.

Both parties in that situation were wrong in varying ways.

You get what I'm saying? Or no?

Following the law doesn't inherently mean right or just.

Okay, but we don't have the luxury in court of finding a defendant partly guilty or mostly innocent. Was it murder or not? No, it wasn't. It was self-defense.

Being followed, if you still insist on believing that BS, is not justification for attacking someone and beating their head into the ground. This is the classic case of a legit self-defense shooting, but because of race and agenda a huge chunk of the public refused to believe the evidence and are still sticking to the story that Zimmerman is a racist murderer.

From the moment right after the shooting when all those photos of a very young, innocent looking, 13 year old Trayvon Martin were released, despite him being 17 at the time of the shooting, it was clear the media was playing up the story to make it more sensational. Combined with the old mug shot of Zimmerman printed right along side it, I remember telling myself "this will not end well whatever the truth of the shooting is."

I'm convince the human animal is not particularly interested in the truth in anything. We all want our biases confirmed. Look at religion for a perfect example. No amount of facts will sway some of us who believe too strongly and are too invested in that belief.

I couldn't give two poops about Zimmerman or Martin, but the evidence shows that Martin attacked and Zimmerman defended himself. And no amount of "following" can justify any attack.

 

[Paladin3]

No need for this thread....Ann Coulter: All hate crimes are hoaxes.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...es-are-hoaxes?

Did she forget the #sarcasm tag? What an f'ing idiot.

 

[UNCjigga]

No need for this thread....Ann Coulter: All hate crimes are hoaxes.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...es-are-hoaxes?

The scapegoating by the alt-righters is utterly pathetic. We all knew where this was heading, and I've done my best to keep my anger focused on Jussie (this is all his fault) but the amount of derp is reaching critical levels.

Some of these talking points these idiots are using are dumber than Smollet himself! I don't understand how conservatards are claiming that the "media is trying to ignore this story" when I've seen non-stop features on morning news (i.e. Good Morning America), "lefty" cable news", NPR, hell even all the late-night comedians and SNL. Did someone on FOX actually claim that the coast guard terrorist story was a "distraction" from Jussie Smollet? WTF???

 

[FelixDeCat]

jail!

 

[HomerJS]

That incorrect assumption is very likely what led people to all the other demonstrably wrong assumptions about the case. Zimmerman had done absolutely nothing wrong at the point when he was assaulted by Trayvon. There is no reason to pretend it’s more complicated than it was... except to excuse our knee-jerk reactions that turned out to be wrong.

Trayvon’s behavior warranted the call to the police and demonstrated Zimmerman’s need for protection.

Zimmerman was not only lawful in every action, he also complied with the police even where he didn’t have to.

Also, HomerJS’ was the one claiming that he wants equal justice whether the perpetrators are people he agrees with or not, so clearly he’s talking about legal/illegal too. He basically contradicted himself with one previous post.

And Zimmerman's behavior after TM clearly showed his account could be trusted.

 

[UNCjigga]

Is Jussie in jail yet?

I’m sure he posted bail like any other non-violent offender and is awaiting trial.

 

[CZroe]

The scapegoating by the alt-righters is utterly pathetic. We all knew where this was heading, and I've done my best to keep my anger focused on Jussie (this is all his fault) but the amount of derp is reaching critical levels

No, sir. I disagree. We’ll never learn our lessons if we keep laying all the blame at his feet and acting like we did nothing wrong and don’t need to change.

Though he ultimately didn’t get away with it, there’s a reason he thought he could. It’s the same reason Nathan Phillips thought he could lie about the Covington Catholic kids or his Vietnam service. It’s the reason we always assume the most sensational or inflammatory explanation for everything from Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin to Ty Cobb and Christopher Columbus.

He was counting on people reacting exactly like they reacted despite having nothing more than a baseless claim without evidence. To deny that we enable this is irresponsible. We need to accept our gullibility and make a conscious effort to change. We should not blindly trust the world to not exploit our vulnerabilities when we don’t have any good reason to be so susceptible.