The Jussie Smollett Affair

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Vic

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I can't tell if he tried to get the guy or knock the phone out of his hand.

For sure he asks if the guy is gay and then swings, and, I'll grant you that I think it's likely due to this guy being gay, but I can't say from that clip.

I have been in a situation where a guy called another guy gay, which upset the person called gay. He thought the guy was being bigoted. The reality was that he was gay too and was trying to joke around. Turned out he knew the guy through a friend and so he knew he was gay. It got cleared up.

Now, I don't think that specifically happened here, but, I can think of scenarios where what I just saw could be misleading. I think it's quite possible that he made a comment about the guy being gay and then was confronted. Things escalated and the phone was pulled out.

So is it possible and likely, yes. Do I have enough to take a stance, no.

But, that is not the issue. You think their skepticism is really them hiding their bigotry. We can't tell by someone's actions. I'm not bigoted, and I'm taking a similar position.
Except that skepticism, by definition, means not hoping for a particular outcome, not taking sides, and not intentionally manipulating the narrative to order to try to bring that hoped-for outcome about (true or not).
This is why the skepticism of some of these posters is being questioned. Because they claim to be skeptical while openly creaming their pants for a particular outcome. Or they watch a short video, and immediatelt assume circumstances that were no where in that video in order to turn the narrative towards their personal bias.
And then, as their skepticism is questioned in light of these obvious biases, they begin attacking those who question their skepticism by taking sides and calling names.
Does that really like seem like skepticism to you?
 
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bshole

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Except that skepticism, by definition, means not hoping for a particular outcome, not taking sides, and not intentionally manipulating the narrative to order to try to bring that hoped-for outcome about (true or not).

Which makes this headline from the Washington Post all the more troubling.
I Doubted Jussie Smollett, It Breaks My Heart That I Might Be Right

The first line of the article reads:
Smollett's story didn't ring true to me, but the idea that he was lying was almost too awful to contemplate.

Journalists that are so invested in their tribe that they actually want White racists attacking minorities and it breaks their hearts when attacks turn out to be false. I respect the honesty of the sentiment but the lack of neutrality seems less admirable.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ett-it-breaks-my-heart-that-i-might-be-right/
 

SlowSpyder

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This situation is really a microcosm of America today. The left desperately wants to pretend Trump is causing bigotry based crimes to occur, they lap up lie after lie.
 

realibrad

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The victim says it was a punch, which hit him in his right shoulder. He also says that afterwards he shoved a female friend of his, then pulled a knife on them.

If that is true then fuck that guy, but, again that is just a claim. The last case also had people backing up his claim and it turned out to be completely false. Sometimes people lie to back up people because they think they are being compassionate and helpful.

Importantly, this was on a public street with multiple witnesses, specifically right outside a bar in downtown SLC. I seriously doubt he's just making all that up. He also admits he wasn't injured which tends to bolster his credibility further.

And the other had people backing up the claims saying they saw things they did not see.

Nope, Smollett making something up has nothing to do with whether another person is making something up. That's absurd. Unless you subscribe to some notion that a member of one "tribe" making something up means we should be skeptical of every allegation from the same tribe. Look, the Jew lied! We must now be skeptical of everything any Jew says. Whatever else that is, it is completely illogical.

This is very wrong. Trends happen and sadly trends of false claims can happen. There was a time that school shootings were not a thing, and then it just started happening. Each case is different, yet, we can learn from each case to inform us on what to look for next time. That should be pretty obvious in terms of logic. What Smollett did and his motivations can teach us about what is going on in society and how people are reacting to those things.

If anything, the publicity surrounding Smollett and the trouble he is in would be a disincentive for others to fabricate this sort of thing, especially in the short run. Otherwise, I don't see any relationship between the two, nor do I understand how one person's credibility affects the credibility of another just because the two both happen to be gay and/or liberal.

It might, or, it might not. It could very well be that people sympathize with him trying to expose racism in the US and try to do their own. If people feel his motivations about exposing racism were just, they may be willing to do the same for the betterment of the country. Or, it could disincentivize, we will see. I just don't think humans are simple enough for me to say.

Like I said before, any allegation of anything can be fake. Doesn't matter what it is. You act as if a case like Smollett tells us something we didn't know - that a hate crime allegation might be fake just like anything could be, and now we should all have heightened skepticism of all such allegations. No, what the Smollett case says is to call each case on its own facts and don't assume it's true or false based on your political leanings.

There is a level of agitation in society right now that is making people rush to judgement. In my opinion, advocating for people to slow down and be skeptical because of what we have seen in these recent cases is rational as well as helpful. You think that there is nothing to learn, and I vehemently disagree. We have some big cases where people lied and mistakes were made and judgment was reached too quickly. So, the Smollett case is another example in a short time that should be a signal for pause and reflection as to what the current state of society is.

This case doesn't have the same facts as the Smollett case, not even close. You should be his lawyer and argue to the jury that "Jussie Smollett" makes it more likely the victim is lying here. I'm sure that will go over really well.

I would not make that argument as its stupid. What I would say would be "lets try and get more details". The Smollett case serves as an example of how blindly accepting and believing can lead people to accept lies.
 

realibrad

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Except that skepticism, by definition, means not hoping for a particular outcome, not taking sides, and not intentionally manipulating the narrative to order to try to bring that hoped-for outcome about (true or not).
This is why the skepticism of some of these posters is being questioned. Because they claim to be skeptical while openly creaming their pants for a particular outcome. Or they watch a short video, and immediately assume circumstances that were no where in that video in order to turn the narrative towards their personal bias.
And then, as their skepticism is questioned in light of these obvious biases, they begin attacking those who question their skepticism by taking sides and calling names.
Does that really like seem like skepticism to you?

You are correct that skepticism means not taking a side. I think you are misunderstanding what people are doing though. People are being shit on for not believing and their skepticism is being seen as taking a side. So, when you get shit on enough and you see the people shitting on you get something wrong, you get a sense of schadenfreude. You do it too whenever you see someone do something you thing is stupid and wrong.

We are not talking about Slow here. He mainly trolls people on the Left here, and is outside of the people I am talking about. UC is a perfect example of someone that you and other shit on and so I can understand him getting some enjoyment out of being right. I don't know that Someone did that, but, if he did I could understand it too. Homer accused him of supporting and or being anti Semitic for being skeptical here.

So, does it seem like skepticism, it could be. There is so much noise by people that saying for sure its one way or the other I think would be wrong.
 

CZroe

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Ty freakin’ Cobb

This rush to judgement and assume the worst/most sensational isn’t a “recent” thing. Considering how many people still delude themselves over some of those names up there where the truth did eventually come out, there’s no telling how many cases we continue to believe where it doesn’t.

Instead of chomping at the bit for examples that confirm our bias about how bad America still is in 2019, how about we step back, acknowledge that it’s 2019, and then consider how likely it really is for 2019.

Of course racism still exists in 2019, but do incidents like Jussie described really happen with regularity? Is it perhaps hyperbole to suggest that racists are routinely doing things like dragging black men behind their pickup truck in order to claim something like this is inherently believable in 2019?

Remembering that it’s 2019 should give anyone a healthy dose of skepticism for a story like his. You don’t have to immediately conclude that it’s false and come out saying so. Just take it with a grain of salt and don’t start calling for action without meeting some burden of proof. This “always believe the victim” mentality is setting all victimized classes up for this kind of exploitation.
 
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Hugo Drax

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The big problem is American news media is no longer about reporting, its about maximizing profits. Outrage is now a way to make money and being first to post before getting facts is the new norm. Its going to get worse.
 

hal2kilo

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Very sad. Glad I stayed out of this thread. Can never understand how people think they will get away with something like this. I would say this young man needs therapy.
 

FerrelGeek

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Zin seems to have a burning need to make everything tie back to Trump, no matter how bad he has to stretch. I made a comment about AOC in one of the threads about her and his reply was nothing but a Trump bash. Never even addressed my comment. lol.

Either way, why would you respond by saying "I thought it was impossible that "Russians saying things" could never sway votes for other people?". That was never a comment I made. Its not a position I hold. My comment was that support for Trump is larger than just the people that voted for him, and thus, the problem of Trump is larger than you might think.

I'm confused as to why you brought up Russian misinformation and or propaganda given the context of our comments to each other as well as my position on that topic.
 

SlowSpyder

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Fox stands by their man!

Pretty easy to do so, when the police have not yet charged him with a crime. Wonder if this hoax will simply go away for them?

Aaron Hernandez wasn't kicked off the Patriots until charges were levied against him. I'd say we should wait to see if it gets to that point, and if it does I'd be surprised if he keeps his job. But, stranger things have happened.
 
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