Sorry, I didn't think it was very difficult to understand that by "we," I mean the people that are arguing my side of the argument -- that GloFo's 28nm process is not denser than Intel's 22nm process (which shouldn't even be a question).Unfortunately, I have : as usual I see the same nicknames in the thread related to AMD.
Btw, as I guess you have used "our" and "we" for some purpose or maybe for you using majestic plural is a natural thing?
Sorry, I didn't think it was very difficult to understand that by "we," I mean the people that are arguing my side of the argument -- that GloFo's 28nm process is not denser than Intel's 22nm process (which shouldn't even be a question).
Why don't you try contributing more to this conversation than personal attacks?
Nice, looking forward to your numbers .I already have an A10-7850K build planned, lets see how the APU handles two R9 290s
I'm not even sure if AMDs transistor specification is correct since Bulldozer was initially specified with 2.0 billion transistors and later corrected to 1.2 billion.
Should give you Excavator compatibility too later on down the road.
Oh please test BF4 too, even in its present state it's not that bad of a benchmark.
How did Kaveri get extra 1.1 billion transistors over Richland? CPU's contribution to the transistor count is pretty negligible and we're talking about a GPU that's not even twice as large.
Kaveri having 2.4 billion is about as useful as the "2.0 billion" in Bulldozer.
Lets see, the R9 290X has a total of 6.2 billion transistors, if we just scale down the 2816 shader cores to 512 shader cores we are looking at roughly 1.127 billion transistors. This is rough shot and doesn't include the ROPs, memory controller, etc. but it does well to illustrate how such a jump can occur.
Looking for more than a poorly thought response such as this.
Richland ALREADY features a 384 SP GPU.
Richland ALREADY features a 384 SP GPU.
Caymen architecture vs GCN architecture...
In case you need a refresher:
"Whereas Cayman had 2.64B transistors and a die size of 389mm2, Tahiti has a whopping 63% more transistors than Cayman and yet its still smaller, coming in at a slightly more petite 365mm2"
Even Tahiti to Hawaii was a 44% transistor increase with only a 24% die area increase. This is another ~16% increase in transistor density...
Since the IGPU is based around the R7 (and you are looking at a 33% increase in SP count), it isn't hard to fathom a 100-150% increase in transistor count from the Cayman based Richland IGPU.
some more numbers
http://apusilicon.com/pudget-systems-kaveri-review/
Slower than Richland @ Cinebench R15 and Geekbench 3 single-core, faster at Geekbench 3 multi-core and PCMark 8. iGPU gaming performance only ~10% faster than A10-6800K.
A singlethread regression in Geekbench 3, similar to Cinebench but not as bad. This is a big disappointment. Gaming benchmarks not much faster than Richland, I didn't expect this. I thought Kaveri could bring bigger gains due to the shrink and new GPU architecture.
no ipc regressions but ips...there is a ~400MHz freq deficit between kaveri and richland...someoneelse work out the maths...
A singlethread regression in Geekbench 3, similar to Cinebench but not as bad. This is a big disappointment. Gaming benchmarks not much faster than Richland, I didn't expect this. I thought Kaveri could bring bigger gains due to the shrink and new GPU architecture.