The Kaveri Pre-Launch Thread (A10-7800 and A10-6800k @3,5 Ghz)

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DaZeeMan

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First OEM I've found that has a product page for a Kaveri system (they say they can ship on/after Jan 16th if you choose a Kaveri APU).
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer_Ultra_7000_Elite

Other than those guys that pre-emptively posted their review of course (pudget systems or whomever they were).

Didn't see anything on HP, Dell, Asus, or Lenovo as of yet.


Also, thanks for pointing out the slide, guys. Lots of stuff in this thread, so I'm not surprised I missed it.
 

mrmt

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AMD isnt going to claim 20-30% gains at the biggest tech show in the world when the actual gains are less then 3%. None of the reviews so far released have shown nothing other then results that are meant to drive controversy prior to the NDA being lifted and actual GOOD reviews being published.

AMD is the company which the Senior Vice President claimed that Barcelona would be 40% faster than Intel Clovertown

AMD is the company which the Senior Marketing Director for servers outright lied about upcoming products.

AMD is the company which the CFO gives pie-in-the-sky estimates about upcoming products.

AMD is the company claiming twice the performance/watt for a chip in the same node and adding a small footnote mentioning that it's not really performance/watt, but performance/TDP.

So lying about their upcoming products on CES is a very small step for AMD.

The next 10 years are not going to be at the same rate of chip development we have seen over the past 20 as the process continues to get smaller. When we get beyond 14nm into the 10nm...7nm..2nm process

AMD and a lot of second-tier companies are either pulling out or moving to lagging edge developments. The game is still on for the big players. Intel, Qualcomm, Samsung, Apple and Mediatek. In fact, we are seeing companies reducing the release cycles. Apple, for example, had the first ARM 64 chip on the market, and Intel is moving Atom to the front of their node adoption queue. The market is in fact accelerating, now slowing down. It's smaller companies who have neither the scale nor the financial strength to sustain these rates that are falling behind.

AMD isn't adopting nodes as fast as they could because of two factors. One is that they must move all their CPU production to Globalfoundries, and the subpar foundry is well behind TSMC on node development. The other is because they cannot afford it. AMD (and maybe Nvidia) cannot compete with Apple and Qualcomm for 20nm in their first production runs, they must take the back seat here.
 

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What about the ratio between the GPU and CPU areas of the APU? I hope it is determined by a technical compromise, rather than just to make Intel graphics look bad. Old wisdom says you can't have enough graphics power, but the truth is that the average 200 Watt (TDP) card like the 7950 is still dropping frames and being bottlenecked even by the highest clocked Haswells.

Frame pacing tests have shown that when it comes to consistency for a gaming rig the CPU couldn't be fast enough. So I'm assuming the integrated Graphics on the APU is all the graphics power those anemic Steamroller cores can handle. I hope I'm wrong and in the future, we get good current gen console ports that aren't as CPU dependent. However paring an A10 with a R9 270x, is like pulling a giant trailor with a motor rikshaw, you only get great speed going downhill ...

If the reviews could answer the question of just how much discrete GPU a Kaveri A10 could realistically handle, I'd be a happy camper.
 

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Nvidia said that the consoles aren't profitable enough, so I don't see how that statement is true...

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4-not-worth-the-cost-says-nvidia/1100-6405300/

Sounds like typical PR BS. They didn't have the right product at the right time and now they're acting like it never mattered. The console market isn't that lucrative, but AMD isn't going to turn down the what was it, $200 million dollars they got in 2013 alone from Sony and MS?

AMD seems centered on the idea of providing products for all markets with the exception of phones, while Nvidia is centered on all markets with the exception of consoles.
 

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Nvidia console statements read as sourgrapes to me. Their CEO is constantly mentioning how they'd love for someone to make a console around their Tegra line of chips. I bet Nvidia bids on the console generation after this one, they'll have 64 bit ARM + Maxwell or beyond so they'll be able to offer a much better product then they were able to offer for the PS4 and XBox One.

The situation with Kaveri gives me the impression that AMD is really struggling with getting anything out of GlobalFoundries' fabs. Supposedly Kabini was designed to be easily ported between TSMC and GF and yet AMD seems to be offering it at a pretty steep price for its appropriate market segments only coming out of TSMC rather than at an attractive price produced at both TSMC and GF.

Why lead with Desktop Kaveri where the GF 28nm struggles with clocks than with mobile Kaveri where it should be better? Hints at either volume production problems or lots of kinks being worked out with the actual process (lower clocked chips not performing how they should).
 
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Why lead with Desktop Kaveri where the GF 28nm struggles with clocks than with mobile Kaveri where it should be better? Hints at either volume production problems or lots of kinks being worked out with the actual process (lower clocked chips not performing how they should).


Could just be time to market. AMD was doing its best to maintain that Kaveri wasn't delayed and still due in 2013. If they had started shipping mobile kaveri now, we wouldn't have seen product until April.
Shipping retail lets them get product on shelves sooner.
 
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erunion

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AMD is the company which the Senior Vice President claimed that Barcelona would be 40% faster than Intel Clovertown

AMD is the company which the Senior Marketing Director for servers outright lied about upcoming products.

AMD is the company which the CFO gives pie-in-the-sky estimates about upcoming products.

AMD is the company claiming twice the performance/watt for a chip in the same node and adding a small footnote mentioning that it's not really performance/watt, but performance/tdp
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You could add denying Kaveri was delayed and saying it was still a 2013 product.
 

inf64

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You could add denying Kaveri was delayed and saying it was still a 2013 product.
Yup they missed the official 2013 launch by whooping 15 days!
BTW they never said it is launching in 2013, they said it was shipping which is confirmed as they state Jan 14 is official launch for desktop Kaveri(one can order it online). If there is no stock of products then it won't be "hard" launch. In order to get stock one needs to receive it from AMD prior the official launch.
 

erunion

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Yup they missed the official 2013 launch by whooping 15 days!
BTW they never said it is launching in 2013, they said it was shipping which is confirmed as they state Jan 14 is official launch for desktop Kaveri(one can order it online). If there is no stock of products then it won't be "hard" launch. In order to get stock one needs to receive it from AMD prior the official launch.

Well it was actually delayed a full year. It should have launched when Richland did. It just happens they almost got it out during the same calendar year...almost.
 

AtenRa

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Well it was actually delayed a full year. It should have launched when Richland did.

Do you have any PDF that shows Kaveri delayed a full year ???

Edit: Even if it was meant to be released when Richland did, then they delayed half a year (Richland was released in June 2013)
 
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Intel does the same, claiming Q4 launch because that's when the chips have been produced, despite that they actually cannot be bought in stores until the following Q1.
 

inf64

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It cannot be full year since Richland was officially launched in May/June(mobile/desktop) 2013 so at best it's 6 months delay if you speculate it should have launched in place of Richland.
 

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It cannot be full year since Richland was officially launched in May/June(mobile/desktop) 2013 so at best it's 6 months delay if you speculate it should have launched in place of Richland.


When will we see mobile Kaveri? April 2014?
 

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Intel does the same, claiming Q4 launch because that's when the chips have been produced, despite that they actually cannot be bought in stores until the following Q1.

BT was announced for Q4 2013 and they did deliver.
 

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Do you have any PDF that shows Kaveri delayed a full year ???

Edit: Even if it was meant to be released when Richland did, then they delayed half a year (Richland was released in June 2013)

We all know Kaveri has SteamrollerB cores. AMD obviously changed their plans/roadmap for steamroller, no biggie. I merely pointed out that they were not transparent about it.
 

inf64

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When will we see mobile Kaveri? April 2014?
I don't know about mobile since AMD chose to prioritize desktop this time.
But I know that Richland for desktop launched officially on June 4, 2013. Kaveri will launch January 14 2014. That is ~6months of difference and not a full year as you can see .
 

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I don't know about mobile since AMD chose to prioritize desktop this time.
But I know that Richland for desktop launched officially on June 4, 2013. Kaveri will launch January 14 2014. That is ~6months of difference and not a full year as you can see .

Apples to Oranges. If AMD had prioritized retail chips for trinity or Richland could they have had product on shelves a few months earlier? Probably.

I predict Kaveri will be ramped and readily available in OEM machines around the middle of the year, similar to Richland. If you remember, Richland was already shipping during CES 2013. So kaveri is in fact shipping a full year after Richland.
 

Abwx

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Apples to Oranges. If AMD had prioritized retail chips for trinity or Richland could they have had product on shelves a few months earlier? Probably.

I predict Kaveri will be ramped and readily available in OEM machines around the middle of the year, similar to Richland. If you remember, Richland was already shipping during CES 2013. So kaveri is in fact shipping a full year after Richland.

Kaveri is already available at retail , how could OEMs have to wait
six months..?.
 
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