The Kaveri Pre-Launch Thread (A10-7800 and A10-6800k @3,5 Ghz)

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AtenRa

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Kaveri turns out to be one of the best products AMD produced in the last 3-5 years.
 

Ventanni

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The 720p benchmarks indicate some pretty impressive CPU performance gains. Why oh why can't we get an 8 core chip? C'mon AMD!
 
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That forum users has no NDA signed, he just bought the chip from some retail store.

New AIDA gpgpu benchmarks:

Why are all the tests done in comparison with trinity and not with the A10 -6X00 richland series ? That would make a better comparison, yes ?
 

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Why are all the tests done in comparison with trinity and not with the A10 -6X00 richland series ? That would make a better comparison, yes ?
It doesn't matter since he overcloclocked them at ~same level. Richland is just higher clocked Trinity.
 

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Why are all the tests done in comparison with trinity and not with the A10 -6X00 richland series ? That would make a better comparison, yes ?

It was made by a random guy that got his hands on kaveri. He compared it to what he had. Wait for proper reviews to draw the conclusion.
 

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The 720p benchmarks indicate some pretty impressive CPU performance gains. Why oh why can't we get an 8 core chip? C'mon AMD!

Considering that the A10-7850 is only 245mm² with the iGPU utilizing ~47% of the die area, whereas the FX-8350 is 315 mm², AMD should be able to add two more Steamroller cores and still have die that is smaller than the FX-8350. It is unfortunately that AMD has decided to leave the entirety of the enthusiast CPU market :|
 

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It is faster than an i3, and an FX6300 in that graph. An eight core part with L3 cache would probably kill that 4770 easy.
 

inf64

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Actually according to the wprime chart, 7850K beats all previous gens 4-6C models, Llano included.
 

inf64

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maybe his face palm is related to the difference not that it is better
Well given the fact that Llano's 4 cores each have 4 FP units with 3 pipelines (12 FP pipes in total) while 2M/4T Kaveri has 2 FP units each having 2 pipelines(4 FP pipelines in total), the very fact Kaveri is in front of llano while having just 25% higher clock speed is a testament to its efficient design.
 

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Well given the fact that Llano's 4 cores each have 4 FP units with 3 pipelines (12 FP pipes in total) while 2M/4T Kaveri has 2 FP units each having 2 pipelines(4 FP pipelines in total), the very fact Kaveri is in front of llano while having just 25% higher clock speed is a testament to its efficient design.
Yeah, it looks pretty good here from that perspective. But on the other hand, it does have half the FPUs of a comparable quad core. Especially when it still has a 128-bit width, floating point performance is going to be very lacking compared to Haswell and Broadwell.

Not that big of an issue, though. Integer performance is more interesting...
 

JDG1980

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Here is .FlanK3r graph from incoming review concretely: Wprime 2.09, 1024M. Compare vs. AMD A8-3870K 3.0GHz "Liano" (Q2/2011) is still too bad

Wprime is a floating point benchmark. All of the "construction equipment" cores are a bit on the weak side when it comes to FPU performance - the focus is on integer. That is a real weakness, no doubt about it, but it's not the whole story - most workloads, both on the desktop and on the server, are integer-heavy. And the indication is that Steamroller does quite a bit better there.
 

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Considering that the A10-7850 is only 245mm² with the iGPU utilizing ~47% of the die area, whereas the FX-8350 is 315 mm², AMD should be able to add two more Steamroller cores and still have die that is smaller than the FX-8350. It is unfortunately that AMD has decided to leave the entirety of the enthusiast CPU market :|

Going from 8 to 10 cores would have a negligible benefit even for most enthusiasts. And Global Foundries' 28nm process, at this point, has trouble matching 32nm on clock speed.
Given the current weakness of 28nm, and the contractual obligation for AMD to keep buying 32nm wafers for some time to come, it would actually make more sense to back-port Steamroller improvements (especially the independent decoder units) to 32nm for FX and server chips. Perhaps that's what the "Piledriver refresh" (Warsaw) will consist of. We can hope...
 

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Going from 8 to 10 cores would have a negligible benefit even for most enthusiasts.

I was referring to adding two cores to the APU and still being at a smaller dye size than the FX chips. I honestly don't see a point in a piledriver refresh, moving from an existing FX chip to a refresh would not warrant the costs for the marginal performance and I can't foresee why anyone would want to pickup a 990FX board for the new build at this stage in the game.
 

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Llano else have 4FPU, but 128bit. and Bulldozer/Piledriver/Steamroller have in CU two 128bit FMAC (=> 2CU APU = 4)!
Lanno (K10) has 4 dedicated FP units per 4 separate cores. Each core gets its own dedicated 3-issue(3 pipelines) FP co-processor. That is 12 FP pipelines in total.

Kaveri has 2 modules (core pairs) each of which shares a common FP unit. That big FP unit has 2 128bit FMAC pipes and 1(128bit) MMX pipeline as per AMD. You can clearly see that per core Kaveri has MUCH less dedicated FP resources, 2x less. Still Kaveri @ 3.7Ghz outperforms K10 @ 3Ghz. Wprime does not use FMA isntructions so Kaveri has no use of it in this benchmark. In theory Kaveri could outperform K10 core by factor of ~2x if the code was heavily using FMA instructions.
 

Abwx

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Well given the fact that Llano's 4 cores each have 4 FP units with 3 pipelines (12 FP pipes in total) while 2M/4T Kaveri has 2 FP units each having 2 pipelines(4 FP pipelines in total), the very fact Kaveri is in front of llano while having just 25% higher clock speed is a testament to its efficient design.

Wprime is an integer bench , this has more to do with Llano s
three ALUs per core.
 

Abwx

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Wprime is a floating point benchmark..

According to the site it s rather integer intensive , Kaveri
wouldnt have such better perfs compaired to Trinity/Richland
if this bench was FP bound , the early leaks indeed point
to much better improvement on the integer side than on FP.

wPrime is a leading multithreaded benchmark for x86 processors that tests your processor performance by calculating square roots with a recursive call of Newton's method for estimating functions, with f(x)=x2-k, where k is the number we're sqrting, until Sgn(f(x)/f'(x)) does not equal that of the previous iteration, starting with an estimation of k/2. It then uses an iterative calling of the estimation method a set amount of times to increase the accuracy of the results. It then confirms that n(k)2=k to ensure the calculation was correct. It repeats this for all numbers from 1 to the requested maximum.
Edit : The square root extraction step can indeed be an FP op but as i already pointed it Steamroller has an efficient radix 8 based hardware divider and root extractor wich can substancialy spare cycles , hence the good scores.
This module caracteristics have been discussed in this
forum a long time ago before D. Russinoff , the mathematician
verificator at AMD was recruited by Intel as he himself
aknowledged it in this forum.

More interesting , the paper about the module
algorithms :

http://www.russinoff.com/papers/srt8.pdf
 
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inf64

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Even in games OCed Kaveri is hanging with i3+7750 GDDR5 really well!
 
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